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Title: Basis of income Tax
Source: Family Guardian
URL Source: http://famguardian.org/
Published: Jun 14, 2007
Author: Richard
Post Date: 2007-06-14 20:31:26 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 691
Comments: 44

Social Security Enabling Act of 1935

Some time ago, I posted a breakdown that covered why people pay the income tax. To say that some in 4um were upset with my information, well, that would be an understatement. But, and howsoever that maybe, no one rebuted the information. Please permit me to explain why there was no rebuttal;

I was correct. The following is the basic part of the info;

The Social Security Act of 1935

(See Section 8; Income Tax)

http://www.nationalcenter.org/SocialSecurityAct.html

(Please note that the above site is an official government site.)


TITLE VIII- TAXES WITH RESPECT TO EMPLOYMENT

INCOME TAX ON EMPLOYEES

SECTION 801. In addition to other taxes, there shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 811) ...

DEDUCTION OF TAX FROM WAGES

SEC. 802. (a) The tax imposed by section 801 shall be collected by the employer of the taxpayer by deducting the amount of the tax from the wages as and when paid. Every employer required so to deduct the tax is hereby made liable for the payment of such tax, and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any such payment made by such employer.

Now, I admit to not being the best researcher in the world, but the way that I read this, the Social Security tax is an Income tax..... and I would submit that if you are subject to ANY Income tax, then you are subject to ALL income taxes.

What does this mean? If you have a social security number, you owe the income tax, and you can protest all that you want and it will not help you in the least. That means that when you argue about the there being no law authorizing the income tax, you are correct, and when the judge says not to bring that argument into this court, he is also correct, because he is setting in a hearing on a contractual matter, and you are out-of-order.

I have, meanwhile, been searching for other confirmation about what I know to be true. Just for you'all. I have found it!

I joined Family Guardian, and posed the question to them, asking if it was correct. This was their response;

Richard,

Nice work. You're absolutely correct. Exactly the same conclusions are reached in the Resignation of Compelled Social Security Trustee Document posted on this website:

http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Forms/Em...stIndenture.pdf

See section 3 in the above document.

Admin

To view the above document, which is one of the most detailed documents that I have ever read! You need to register with Family Guardian; you can do that here: http://famguardian.org/

I have not spent much time, as yet, on this site, but it does look as detailed and full of information as anything that I have found.

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#5. To: Pinguinite, christine, BTP Holdings, robin, lodwick, max, Phant2000, JCHarris, diana, mirage, Jethro Tull, who knows what evil, farmfriend, kamala, ladybug, InsideJob, tom007, Former Lurker, Freepatriot32, Ferret Mike, Original_Intent, BlackSands, all (#0)

I was correct.

I am not doing this to beat a dead horse. There is a very simple moral object here. And, it applies to everyone, not just me.

Since I am correct in what I originally said, that the Social Security contract is a contract to pay Income Tax (the Social Security tax IS an income tax), then what this means is that the entire, THE ENTIRE tax protest movement is based on hot air.

I find it hard to believe that anyone can assume that this is an accident. Esp. since everything that I have pointed out comes from the public record. And this means that much of what has happened to people over the last 20-30 years was not only unneccesary, but it was probably planned as well.

Yet it continues today. And my point is that you -- ALL OF YOU (as well as myself) -- have a moral obligation to tell everyone that you happen to speak to, esp. about taxes, exactly what the basis is of the income tax that they VOLUNTEERED and CONTRACTED to pay.

I do not care if you tell them where you got the info; I do not need nor seek any credit. After all, I am not the only one who has figured this out! What I want to see is for people to stop getting injured with non-sense in the courts. Friends of yours, I wager, have been or will be injured using the lies of people like Irwin Shiff.

Let me see. Irwin Shiff... Oh, right, a Jew. Leading people astray for profit. Who would have thought it.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   1:17:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151 (#5)

Irwin Shiff...

What is his schtick?

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-16   1:33:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: JCHarris, richard9151, christine (#7)

According to this piece he's not receiving the Chosen's Touch...

Feds Torture “Tax Protester” Irwin Schiff

For those unfamiliar with Schiff, he is 78 years old and serving 151 months in prison and was ordered to pay over $4.2 million in restitution to the Internal Revenue Service for the crime of not paying “income taxes,” otherwise known as slave ransom, or that’s what your humble blogger calls it, anyway. He currently languishes, apparently minus a toe, as Inmate #08537-014 at the Federal Correction Institution at Fort Dix, New Jersey, located on the Fort Dix/McGuire Air Force Base military installation. Fort Dix was in the news recently when a pizza delivery guy threatened to attack the base and kill as many soldiers as possible.

Eoghan  posted on  2007-06-16   1:39:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eoghan, JCHarris (#8)

According to this piece...

Have you visited him? If not, then any news about his whereabouts and condition can be served up, can it not? And, with it, requests for donations. Correct? Eoghan, you have seen stuff like this done before.... and I AM NOT saying that I know this for a fact.

BUT, what I am saying is that the non-sense that Schiff promotes is just that, non-sense. Figure the rest of it out for yourself.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   1:44:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#9)

Who is shiff?

why should I care?

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-16   1:49:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: JCHarris (#11)

Who is shiff?

why should I care?

You are exactly right. But just for general info, he was/is an un-tax leader of the income tax protest. Basically, he says that there has never been a law that said that the income tax had to be paid. In that, he is correct, but it is irrelavant, because the income tax is actually contracted for through Social Security. But very, very few know that.

Therefore, there have been thousands of people who used Shiff's material and who lost everything that they owned, and, spent significant time in prison for it. This is after paying him thousands of dollars to be 'untaxed.'

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   2:09:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: richard9151 (#14)

You are exactly right. But just for general info, he was/is an un-tax leader of the income tax protest. Basically, he says that there has never been a law that said that the income tax had to be paid. In that, he is correct, but it is irrelavant, because the income tax is actually contracted for through Social Security. But very, very few know that.

Therefore, there have been thousands of people who used Shiff's material and who lost everything that they owned, and, spent significant time in prison for it. This is after paying him thousands of dollars to be 'untaxed.'

The income tax is contracted through SS?

But, the income tax predates SS by over 20 years, and the present income tax (where your kids' lemonade stand is taxable according to the IRS, presumably because they breathe American air) didn't exist until 1942 with the passage of THE VICTORY TAX ACT.

And, an SS card is not a requirement for assessment according to the IRS.

I was 12 yrs old when I got an SS card. The term "contract" has a clearly defined meaning, and govt doesn't own the language. In order for a contract to be valid I must derive some clearly delineated benefit.

If the govt doesn't reveal the terms of the "contract" then fraud vitiates all contracts.

And, because the govt has no obligation to pay any benefits to persons who paid into SS, and the SS Admin now pays immigrants, surviving spouses and others who never worked or were subject to payroll withholding then, what exactly are the terms of this mysterious contract?

You're right about one thing, though. Taxes are a civil matter. So, when the IRS calls someone for additional info without revealing that they are preparing a criminal case, are you obligated to surrender personal info that could be used in the preparation of criminal case against you?

What do you think the FTP Foundation has been trying to do all these years?

If the govt admits that holding an SS card puts us under IRS jurisdiction then they had the legal obligation to reveal that to me when I was 12 yrs old, even though I wasn't old enough to form a contract with the govt.

If all we have to do is burn our SS cards (employees and employers alike) to be without the jurisdiction of the IRS, do you suppose that's why you can speak for the govt and why they refuse to speak for themselves?

BTW, I have a copy of the secret HANDBOOK FOR SPECIAL AGENTS.

So, go on and tell us what you think you know about the jurisdiction of the IRS.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-06-16   10:13:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#21)

But, the income tax predates SS by over 20 years,

No, it does not. My father and my uncles all worked through the thirties and paid no taxes. There were people who paid the tax, but they were either employees of the government, had contracts with the government, or, worked in an industry that was contracted into the tax.

This has been covered elsewhere. Try the book, The Law That Never Was.

didn't exist until 1942 with the passage of THE VICTORY TAX ACT. And your point would be? That is when most people started paying the tax, under the assumption it was to help the war effort, only, SURPRISE! SURPRISE! the tax never went away. It is called smoke and mirrors.

So, go on and tell us what you think you know about the jurisdiction of the IRS. If you believe, for even a moment, that the jurisdiction of the IRS solely revolves around the SS contract, then you are not doing your homework. It is their system, and when you use their system, they have jurisdiction.

My point has been; the tax protest movement is a scam, and we have a moral obligation to tell people that before they are injured using false information.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16 13:29:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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