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Title: Basis of income Tax
Source: Family Guardian
URL Source: http://famguardian.org/
Published: Jun 14, 2007
Author: Richard
Post Date: 2007-06-14 20:31:26 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 724
Comments: 44

Social Security Enabling Act of 1935

Some time ago, I posted a breakdown that covered why people pay the income tax. To say that some in 4um were upset with my information, well, that would be an understatement. But, and howsoever that maybe, no one rebuted the information. Please permit me to explain why there was no rebuttal;

I was correct. The following is the basic part of the info;

The Social Security Act of 1935

(See Section 8; Income Tax)

http://www.nationalcenter.org/SocialSecurityAct.html

(Please note that the above site is an official government site.)


TITLE VIII- TAXES WITH RESPECT TO EMPLOYMENT

INCOME TAX ON EMPLOYEES

SECTION 801. In addition to other taxes, there shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 811) ...

DEDUCTION OF TAX FROM WAGES

SEC. 802. (a) The tax imposed by section 801 shall be collected by the employer of the taxpayer by deducting the amount of the tax from the wages as and when paid. Every employer required so to deduct the tax is hereby made liable for the payment of such tax, and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any such payment made by such employer.

Now, I admit to not being the best researcher in the world, but the way that I read this, the Social Security tax is an Income tax..... and I would submit that if you are subject to ANY Income tax, then you are subject to ALL income taxes.

What does this mean? If you have a social security number, you owe the income tax, and you can protest all that you want and it will not help you in the least. That means that when you argue about the there being no law authorizing the income tax, you are correct, and when the judge says not to bring that argument into this court, he is also correct, because he is setting in a hearing on a contractual matter, and you are out-of-order.

I have, meanwhile, been searching for other confirmation about what I know to be true. Just for you'all. I have found it!

I joined Family Guardian, and posed the question to them, asking if it was correct. This was their response;

Richard,

Nice work. You're absolutely correct. Exactly the same conclusions are reached in the Resignation of Compelled Social Security Trustee Document posted on this website:

http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Forms/Em...stIndenture.pdf

See section 3 in the above document.

Admin

To view the above document, which is one of the most detailed documents that I have ever read! You need to register with Family Guardian; you can do that here: http://famguardian.org/

I have not spent much time, as yet, on this site, but it does look as detailed and full of information as anything that I have found.

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#5. To: Pinguinite, christine, BTP Holdings, robin, lodwick, max, Phant2000, JCHarris, diana, mirage, Jethro Tull, who knows what evil, farmfriend, kamala, ladybug, InsideJob, tom007, Former Lurker, Freepatriot32, Ferret Mike, Original_Intent, BlackSands, all (#0)

I was correct.

I am not doing this to beat a dead horse. There is a very simple moral object here. And, it applies to everyone, not just me.

Since I am correct in what I originally said, that the Social Security contract is a contract to pay Income Tax (the Social Security tax IS an income tax), then what this means is that the entire, THE ENTIRE tax protest movement is based on hot air.

I find it hard to believe that anyone can assume that this is an accident. Esp. since everything that I have pointed out comes from the public record. And this means that much of what has happened to people over the last 20-30 years was not only unneccesary, but it was probably planned as well.

Yet it continues today. And my point is that you -- ALL OF YOU (as well as myself) -- have a moral obligation to tell everyone that you happen to speak to, esp. about taxes, exactly what the basis is of the income tax that they VOLUNTEERED and CONTRACTED to pay.

I do not care if you tell them where you got the info; I do not need nor seek any credit. After all, I am not the only one who has figured this out! What I want to see is for people to stop getting injured with non-sense in the courts. Friends of yours, I wager, have been or will be injured using the lies of people like Irwin Shiff.

Let me see. Irwin Shiff... Oh, right, a Jew. Leading people astray for profit. Who would have thought it.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   1:17:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: richard9151 (#5) (Edited)

Let me see. Irwin Shiff... Oh, right, a Jew. Leading people astray for profit. Who would have thought it.

One can never be certain but I don't think Schiff intentionally mislead anyone. At 78, I don't think he'd be in prison either if he were a govt. agent.

The courts contribute to the continuing fraud by not entering concise and clear opinions. People are allowed to prevail in court sometimes simply to muddy the waters and most often when this happens the court's ruling in their favor has nothing to do with their argument. Joe Bannister's case is a perfect example. The arguments provided in his briefs are moot, the jury simply decided against the IRS because they caught the IRS lying. [I'm not convinced of the integrity of We The People, but I am certain that their arguments are in error].

Ed and Elaine Brown are also in error, even though its understandable. People cannot be even a little bit in the (Babylonian) system and protest the requirements of that system.

Many people concluding that something was wrong with the tax system have been brutalized by the government because courts have continually hidden the truth related to the issue of taxation.

The Bible at Luke 22:25 makes mention of the way followers of Christ are to view their relationship with government:

And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles have lordship over them; and they that have authority over them are called Benefactors. Be it not so with you:

Most Americans wouldn't admit they are socialists if you put a gun to their heads ... but might have to if you asked them if they had a SS Card in their wallet.

And, it's not just Social Security that subjects one to Income Tax liability. Any contract with legal fictions will suffice. One must completely extricate from their system or be subject to it. Most people create artificial entities to take their place when necessary. The artificial entity then becomes subject to the contract whether its for utilities, vehicles or taxes.

I'm not in the habit of telling anyone else what they should or shouldn't do because I'm not going to suffer the consequences should there be any. My hope has been that the SS system would implode or collapse and then I would recommend not getting involved in its replacement.

The one thing I would emphasize as imperative whenever someone decides to "opt out" ... and that is to formally (be able to prove it-keep records and be sure to have all documentation Notarized-Use Return Receipt Mail) rescind their signature on any and all documents that connected them with any legal fiction whatsoever. In addition I recorded a Declaration by affidavit of Copyright with the County Clerk and Secretary of State terminating the all capital letter name, and I formally expatriated from the federal U.S. Government by triple witnessed and notarized notice to both houses of Congress the President, and others (I can't recall offhand), and published in a competent newspaper the notice previously sent to the aforementioned parties.

Some people do a UCC 1 ... I don't recognize the authority of the UCC as I'm not involved in commerce.

The important thing for people to remember is that you may be called into account for your actions and you need to fully understand your position and the consequences. My committment stems from Biblical admonitions against the Mark of the Beast. Violating this warning against taking the Mark has eternal consequences that I'm unwilling to chance. Whether the SSN is the Mark is debatable ... if it's not the Mark it's the precursor of it ... I just ain't doing it, and jail doesn't worry me. I certainly understand people that are hesitant because they have children to raise.

Everyone has to make their own decision and sometimes things that were once taken for granted become challenges, but I have been able to overcome them for 15-20 years now.

noone222  posted on  2007-06-16   7:14:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#16)

[I'm not convinced of the integrity of We The People, but I am certain that their arguments are in error].

Ed and Elaine Brown are also in error, even though its understandable. People cannot be even a little bit in the (Babylonian) system and protest the requirements of that system.

Many people concluding that something was wrong with the tax system have been brutalized by the government because courts have continually hidden the truth related to the issue of taxation.

Very intelligent and consise points. I completely agree about We the People.

As to Ed and Elaine Brown, they are going to prison and there is nothing that can be done about that. Why? Because they relied on false information. No, that is not correct, THEY PAID SOMEONE FOR FALSE INFORMATION, and to me, that is a crime against the Browns committed by someone that hides behind patriotism.

I do not think that the courts have hidden anything. They are not responsible for legal research or for people continually returning to the courts with the same tired arguments for more than 30 years. After the courts said, the very first time, that argument does not work in this court, hey, WISE UP!

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   13:17:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: richard9151 (#25)

What prevents the courts from issuing an opinion that simply states that people become subject to the Income Tax through commercial contracts, and government benefits or the promise of them ? Seems to me that in a free society that promises a transparent governance justice isn't a game of hide and seek, trick maneuvering and court politics.

noone222  posted on  2007-06-16   13:30:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#32. To: noone222 (#29)

What prevents the courts from issuing an opinion that simply states that people become subject to the Income Tax through commercial contracts, and government benefits or the promise of them ? Seems to me that in a free society that promises a transparent governance justice isn't a game of hide and seek, trick maneuvering and court politics.

Think about this; why would they do that?

The more people who go through their courts, the more power and prestige they have. Plus, it is not their responsibility to make such rulings; it is our responsibility. Plus, if they do that, then they open up another can of worms, about the Constitution. I will be posting about that next, as soon as I clear up some stuff with Family Guardians. Got to be sure that I am correct.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16 13:45:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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