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Title: Basis of income Tax
Source: Family Guardian
URL Source: http://famguardian.org/
Published: Jun 14, 2007
Author: Richard
Post Date: 2007-06-14 20:31:26 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 721
Comments: 44

Social Security Enabling Act of 1935

Some time ago, I posted a breakdown that covered why people pay the income tax. To say that some in 4um were upset with my information, well, that would be an understatement. But, and howsoever that maybe, no one rebuted the information. Please permit me to explain why there was no rebuttal;

I was correct. The following is the basic part of the info;

The Social Security Act of 1935

(See Section 8; Income Tax)

http://www.nationalcenter.org/SocialSecurityAct.html

(Please note that the above site is an official government site.)


TITLE VIII- TAXES WITH RESPECT TO EMPLOYMENT

INCOME TAX ON EMPLOYEES

SECTION 801. In addition to other taxes, there shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 811) ...

DEDUCTION OF TAX FROM WAGES

SEC. 802. (a) The tax imposed by section 801 shall be collected by the employer of the taxpayer by deducting the amount of the tax from the wages as and when paid. Every employer required so to deduct the tax is hereby made liable for the payment of such tax, and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any such payment made by such employer.

Now, I admit to not being the best researcher in the world, but the way that I read this, the Social Security tax is an Income tax..... and I would submit that if you are subject to ANY Income tax, then you are subject to ALL income taxes.

What does this mean? If you have a social security number, you owe the income tax, and you can protest all that you want and it will not help you in the least. That means that when you argue about the there being no law authorizing the income tax, you are correct, and when the judge says not to bring that argument into this court, he is also correct, because he is setting in a hearing on a contractual matter, and you are out-of-order.

I have, meanwhile, been searching for other confirmation about what I know to be true. Just for you'all. I have found it!

I joined Family Guardian, and posed the question to them, asking if it was correct. This was their response;

Richard,

Nice work. You're absolutely correct. Exactly the same conclusions are reached in the Resignation of Compelled Social Security Trustee Document posted on this website:

http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Forms/Em...stIndenture.pdf

See section 3 in the above document.

Admin

To view the above document, which is one of the most detailed documents that I have ever read! You need to register with Family Guardian; you can do that here: http://famguardian.org/

I have not spent much time, as yet, on this site, but it does look as detailed and full of information as anything that I have found.

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#5. To: Pinguinite, christine, BTP Holdings, robin, lodwick, max, Phant2000, JCHarris, diana, mirage, Jethro Tull, who knows what evil, farmfriend, kamala, ladybug, InsideJob, tom007, Former Lurker, Freepatriot32, Ferret Mike, Original_Intent, BlackSands, all (#0)

I was correct.

I am not doing this to beat a dead horse. There is a very simple moral object here. And, it applies to everyone, not just me.

Since I am correct in what I originally said, that the Social Security contract is a contract to pay Income Tax (the Social Security tax IS an income tax), then what this means is that the entire, THE ENTIRE tax protest movement is based on hot air.

I find it hard to believe that anyone can assume that this is an accident. Esp. since everything that I have pointed out comes from the public record. And this means that much of what has happened to people over the last 20-30 years was not only unneccesary, but it was probably planned as well.

Yet it continues today. And my point is that you -- ALL OF YOU (as well as myself) -- have a moral obligation to tell everyone that you happen to speak to, esp. about taxes, exactly what the basis is of the income tax that they VOLUNTEERED and CONTRACTED to pay.

I do not care if you tell them where you got the info; I do not need nor seek any credit. After all, I am not the only one who has figured this out! What I want to see is for people to stop getting injured with non-sense in the courts. Friends of yours, I wager, have been or will be injured using the lies of people like Irwin Shiff.

Let me see. Irwin Shiff... Oh, right, a Jew. Leading people astray for profit. Who would have thought it.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   1:17:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: richard9151 (#5)

THE ENTIRE tax protest movement is based on hot air.

I agree Richard, but I think the process of coming to the conclusion that the Income Tax is a contractual obligation begins when one discovers that there's no law requiring payment and that it also violates Constitutional requirements, so enforcement must be attached by some other means ...

The documentary of Russo and the rantings of the Bob Schultz Tax Movement / We The People group do awaken people to the fraud without actually providing the real fraud that it's either a contract or implied trust arrangement that traps people into the system.

Ya gotta start somewhere ...

noone222  posted on  2007-06-16   6:16:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#15)

The documentary of Russo and the rantings of the Bob Schultz Tax Movement / We The People group do awaken people to the fraud without actually providing the real fraud that it's either a contract or implied trust arrangement that traps people into the system.

Ya gotta start somewhere ...

The problem with this is when thousands of people, and there have been thousands, are destroyed with false information.

I also find it hard to believe that I can find this info, and the ones leading the tax protest movement can not; the more I go through this, the more I think it is nothing but a big, dangerous, scam.

As to this; Ya gotta start somewhere ... Where you start is at the beginning, and you keep going back until you find the beginning. I have always thought that it was complete malarky to go around preaching that EVERY federal judge was knowingly violating the Constitution..... esp. when the judges, right in court, plainly state that the arguments brought before them have no merit.

But people keep going back and making the same exect arguments, with a few different words thrown in, time after time and year after year. Sounds insane to me.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   13:10:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: richard9151 (#23)

RBN has a couple of lawyers doing just that. Tom Cryor(sp) and Larry Becraft host programs and both poo poo the Social Security Number as being the keystone. Cryor alleges he's in court fighting the tax himself, and if what he says is true he'll lose.

Funny how no one has asked him why people without SSN's can't be taxed ... because there is nowhere to account for the funds. Again, there are lots of easy ways to get "IN" to the system.

noone222  posted on  2007-06-16   13:19:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222 (#26)

RBN has a couple of lawyers doing just that. Tom Cryor(sp) and Larry Becraft host programs and both poo poo the Social Security Number as being the keystone.

Funny how that works, is it not? I do not know of Cryor, but my opinion of Becraft is not printable.

Funny how no one has asked him why people without SSN's can't be taxed ... That's easy; no one is allowed to ask such questions. That is why they have a controler before you are allowed to speak to them (on the air).

Of course, there is much more to this than just the SS number, but it is interesting that the GATT agreements make it a requirement that the citizens of all member nations have SS numbers. Anyone care to join the world wide tax system?

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   13:40:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: richard9151 (#31)

but it is interesting that the GATT agreements make it a requirement that the citizens of all member nations have SS numbers.

Citizenship is another area that must be investigated and decoded. There can't be any good reason for spending ones finite life studying legal codes without expectation of ever knowing them all in one lifetime.

Anything that is so convoluted and difficult to comprehend is fraud.

noone222  posted on  2007-06-16   13:55:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#37. To: noone222 (#35)

Anything that is so convoluted and difficult to comprehend is fraud.

You are absolutely correct. I could not agree more, which is why I will never again sign anything that comes from any agent or agency of the US government. I simply can not be sure what agreements/contracts are behind whatever it is that I may sign.

Not true, RBN doesn't screen calls on any program. I did not know this, and, if it is not screened, then it is the first 'on air' live program that I have ever heard of that is set up like that.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16 14:21:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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