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Title: Basis of income Tax
Source: Family Guardian
URL Source: http://famguardian.org/
Published: Jun 14, 2007
Author: Richard
Post Date: 2007-06-14 20:31:26 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 695
Comments: 44

Social Security Enabling Act of 1935

Some time ago, I posted a breakdown that covered why people pay the income tax. To say that some in 4um were upset with my information, well, that would be an understatement. But, and howsoever that maybe, no one rebuted the information. Please permit me to explain why there was no rebuttal;

I was correct. The following is the basic part of the info;

The Social Security Act of 1935

(See Section 8; Income Tax)

http://www.nationalcenter.org/SocialSecurityAct.html

(Please note that the above site is an official government site.)

TITLE VIII- TAXES WITH RESPECT TO EMPLOYMENT

INCOME TAX ON EMPLOYEES

SECTION 801. In addition to other taxes, there shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 811) ...

DEDUCTION OF TAX FROM WAGES

SEC. 802. (a) The tax imposed by section 801 shall be collected by the employer of the taxpayer by deducting the amount of the tax from the wages as and when paid. Every employer required so to deduct the tax is hereby made liable for the payment of such tax, and is hereby indemnified against the claims and demands of any person for the amount of any such payment made by such employer.

Now, I admit to not being the best researcher in the world, but the way that I read this, the Social Security tax is an Income tax..... and I would submit that if you are subject to ANY Income tax, then you are subject to ALL income taxes.

What does this mean? If you have a social security number, you owe the income tax, and you can protest all that you want and it will not help you in the least. That means that when you argue about the there being no law authorizing the income tax, you are correct, and when the judge says not to bring that argument into this court, he is also correct, because he is setting in a hearing on a contractual matter, and you are out-of-order.

I have, meanwhile, been searching for other confirmation about what I know to be true. Just for you'all. I have found it!

I joined Family Guardian, and posed the question to them, asking if it was correct. This was their response;

Richard,

Nice work. You're absolutely correct. Exactly the same conclusions are reached in the Resignation of Compelled Social Security Trustee Document posted on this website:

http://famguardian.org/TaxFreedom/Forms/Em...stIndenture.pdf

See section 3 in the above document.

Admin

To view the above document, which is one of the most detailed documents that I have ever read! You need to register with Family Guardian; you can do that here: http://famguardian.org/

I have not spent much time, as yet, on this site, but it does look as detailed and full of information as anything that I have found.

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#5. To: Pinguinite, christine, BTP Holdings, robin, lodwick, max, Phant2000, JCHarris, diana, mirage, Jethro Tull, who knows what evil, farmfriend, kamala, ladybug, InsideJob, tom007, Former Lurker, Freepatriot32, Ferret Mike, Original_Intent, BlackSands, all (#0)

I was correct.

I am not doing this to beat a dead horse. There is a very simple moral object here. And, it applies to everyone, not just me.

Since I am correct in what I originally said, that the Social Security contract is a contract to pay Income Tax (the Social Security tax IS an income tax), then what this means is that the entire, THE ENTIRE tax protest movement is based on hot air.

I find it hard to believe that anyone can assume that this is an accident. Esp. since everything that I have pointed out comes from the public record. And this means that much of what has happened to people over the last 20-30 years was not only unneccesary, but it was probably planned as well.

Yet it continues today. And my point is that you -- ALL OF YOU (as well as myself) -- have a moral obligation to tell everyone that you happen to speak to, esp. about taxes, exactly what the basis is of the income tax that they VOLUNTEERED and CONTRACTED to pay.

I do not care if you tell them where you got the info; I do not need nor seek any credit. After all, I am not the only one who has figured this out! What I want to see is for people to stop getting injured with non-sense in the courts. Friends of yours, I wager, have been or will be injured using the lies of people like Irwin Shiff.

Let me see. Irwin Shiff... Oh, right, a Jew. Leading people astray for profit. Who would have thought it.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   1:17:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Irwin Shiff...

What is his schtick?

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-16   1:33:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

According to this piece he's not receiving the Chosen's Touch...

Feds Torture “Tax Protester” Irwin Schiff

For those unfamiliar with Schiff, he is 78 years old and serving 151 months in prison and was ordered to pay over $4.2 million in restitution to the Internal Revenue Service for the crime of not paying “income taxes,” otherwise known as slave ransom, or that’s what your humble blogger calls it, anyway. He currently languishes, apparently minus a toe, as Inmate #08537-014 at the Federal Correction Institution at Fort Dix, New Jersey, located on the Fort Dix/McGuire Air Force Base military installation. Fort Dix was in the news recently when a pizza delivery guy threatened to attack the base and kill as many soldiers as possible.

Eoghan  posted on  2007-06-16   1:39:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

According to this piece...

Have you visited him? If not, then any news about his whereabouts and condition can be served up, can it not? And, with it, requests for donations. Correct? Eoghan, you have seen stuff like this done before.... and I AM NOT saying that I know this for a fact.

BUT, what I am saying is that the non-sense that Schiff promotes is just that, non-sense. Figure the rest of it out for yourself.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   1:44:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is shiff?

why should I care?

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-16   1:49:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Who is shiff?

why should I care?

You are exactly right. But just for general info, he was/is an un-tax leader of the income tax protest. Basically, he says that there has never been a law that said that the income tax had to be paid. In that, he is correct, but it is irrelavant, because the income tax is actually contracted for through Social Security. But very, very few know that.

Therefore, there have been thousands of people who used Shiff's material and who lost everything that they owned, and, spent significant time in prison for it. This is after paying him thousands of dollars to be 'untaxed.'

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   2:09:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are exactly right. But just for general info, he was/is an un-tax leader of the income tax protest. Basically, he says that there has never been a law that said that the income tax had to be paid. In that, he is correct, but it is irrelavant, because the income tax is actually contracted for through Social Security. But very, very few know that.

Therefore, there have been thousands of people who used Shiff's material and who lost everything that they owned, and, spent significant time in prison for it. This is after paying him thousands of dollars to be 'untaxed.'

The income tax is contracted through SS?

But, the income tax predates SS by over 20 years, and the present income tax (where your kids' lemonade stand is taxable according to the IRS, presumably because they breathe American air) didn't exist until 1942 with the passage of THE VICTORY TAX ACT.

And, an SS card is not a requirement for assessment according to the IRS.

I was 12 yrs old when I got an SS card. The term "contract" has a clearly defined meaning, and govt doesn't own the language. In order for a contract to be valid I must derive some clearly delineated benefit.

If the govt doesn't reveal the terms of the "contract" then fraud vitiates all contracts.

And, because the govt has no obligation to pay any benefits to persons who paid into SS, and the SS Admin now pays immigrants, surviving spouses and others who never worked or were subject to payroll withholding then, what exactly are the terms of this mysterious contract?

You're right about one thing, though. Taxes are a civil matter. So, when the IRS calls someone for additional info without revealing that they are preparing a criminal case, are you obligated to surrender personal info that could be used in the preparation of criminal case against you?

What do you think the FTP Foundation has been trying to do all these years?

If the govt admits that holding an SS card puts us under IRS jurisdiction then they had the legal obligation to reveal that to me when I was 12 yrs old, even though I wasn't old enough to form a contract with the govt.

If all we have to do is burn our SS cards (employees and employers alike) to be without the jurisdiction of the IRS, do you suppose that's why you can speak for the govt and why they refuse to speak for themselves?

BTW, I have a copy of the secret HANDBOOK FOR SPECIAL AGENTS.

So, go on and tell us what you think you know about the jurisdiction of the IRS.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-06-16   10:13:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But, the income tax predates SS by over 20 years,

No, it does not. My father and my uncles all worked through the thirties and paid no taxes. There were people who paid the tax, but they were either employees of the government, had contracts with the government, or, worked in an industry that was contracted into the tax.

This has been covered elsewhere. Try the book, The Law That Never Was.

didn't exist until 1942 with the passage of THE VICTORY TAX ACT. And your point would be? That is when most people started paying the tax, under the assumption it was to help the war effort, only, SURPRISE! SURPRISE! the tax never went away. It is called smoke and mirrors.

So, go on and tell us what you think you know about the jurisdiction of the IRS. If you believe, for even a moment, that the jurisdiction of the IRS solely revolves around the SS contract, then you are not doing your homework. It is their system, and when you use their system, they have jurisdiction.

My point has been; the tax protest movement is a scam, and we have a moral obligation to tell people that before they are injured using false information.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-16   13:29:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

My point has been; the tax protest movement is a scam, and we have a moral obligation to tell people that before they are injured using false information.

But no moral issues revolving around any of the very damning thruth about the entire tax swindle.

And if the victory tax was repealed in 1944 (it was) and you simply say "It never went away" and you are obviously cheerful enough about that not to question the jack boots and burp guns enforcement of a repealed tax, then moral obligations are not really what motivates you, are they?

EDIT: The Victory Tax Act also promised a rebate of all taxes paid at the "cessation of hostilities". But, at a time when patriotism was high and people went to the post office and paid a non existent-post war tax (in 1945) congress saw a new source of revenue that it never had and the chance to spend funds that weren't raised through apportionment and were not earmarked as are taxes that are apportioned and raised in the tax bills, and by 1954 they had written an entire phoney tax code to create the illusion the tax is mandatory. Of course the language was ambiguous enough not to technically mistate the law and the regs were confusing enough to create the illusion that "somewhere in the law theres language that applies to you!" but nowhere are we told how we suddenly caught this disease that is supposedly the result of a tax that by your own admission most didn't pay from 1913 until 1942, or because of a temporary war tax which is easily proven as having been repealed in 1944.

The only people who are still trying to hold back the inevitable tide by creating superstitious fear about the tax are IRS and H&R Block types, and I'm betting that you, your spouse or family member will have to get an honest job when the IRS shuts its doors.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-06-22   21:01:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But no moral issues revolving around any of the very damning thruth about the entire tax swindle.

Never said that. All facts, verified, need to be put in front of as many people as will listen. Anyone who has read the book, The Law that Never Was, and I have, knows very well that the so-called income tax amendment was never ratified.... but when people keep using the same argument year after year in the same courts and keep getting told the same things, well, after awhile, everyone needs to wake-up. I might add, every federal judge knows that the amendment was never ratified either, and they are not stupid men, so, perhaps sooner or later we should begin to understand that something else is going on!

'The U. S. income tax system is built on the idea of 'voluntary compliance.' This means that it is left to the taxpayer to keep the necessary records, file a return on time, pay any required taxes, and meet any other requirements of the tax law. The system is built on trust in the citizens to know their responsibilities and to do what needs to be done. Taxpayers voluntarily follow the steps the tax system lays out. Failure to do so can result in penalties.

"Two aspects of the Federal Income Tax system - voluntary compliance with the law and self-assessment of tax - make it important for you to understand your rights and responsibilities as a taxpayer. 'Voluntary compliance' places on the taxpayer the responsibility for filing an income tax return. You must decide whether the law requires you to file a return. If it does, you must file your return by the date it is due. IRS Publication 21."

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about the entire tax swindle. What tax swindle? Do you use their system? Bank in their banks? Write checks on an account they authorized? Did you accept a social security number from them, and, use it now? So once again, what swindle? Oh, and I do none of those things and have not for many years, even while living and working in Montana.

"It never went away" That is was repealed (haven't seen that, but no surprise) was never published in the media and the collection went on. All that was needed was an excuse for the tax, then, we get into getting people accustomed to it, and the lies about the amendment.

The only people who are still trying to hold back the inevitable tide by creating superstitious fear about the tax are IRS and H&R Block types, and I'm betting that you, your spouse or family member will have to get an honest job when the IRS shuts its doors.

LOL! That is funny! I own my own small business here in Mèxico and my wife is a teacher, in Mèxico. I have never sold anything in any of the various movements that go around the states. I have written a lot of material, but it was always free to whoever wanted anything. And I have no fear, so what is the point? Here, try this to begin to understand, cause this is what I did back in the early 80s: I started by throwing all of my records out!;

Gary Makovski Special IRS Agent "If no information or return is filed, [the] Internal Revenue Service cannot assess you." Testifying under oath in U.S. v. Lloyd

Henry Bellmon Senator (1969) "In a recent conversation with an official at the Internal Revenue Service, I was amazed when he told me that 'If the taxpayers of this country ever discover that the IRS operates on 90% bluff the entire system will collapse.'"

Jack Cole Co. v. MacFarland 337 S.W. 2d. 453, 455-456 (Tenn. 1960) "Since the Right to receive income or earnings is a Right belonging to every person, this right cannot be taxed as a privilege." It can, however, be contracted away. (This is a pretty interesting case. You should look it up.)

And, finally;

Judge Cummings U.S. Federal Judge "Only the rare taxpayer would be likely to know that he could refuse to produce his records to IRS agents... Who would believe the ironic truth that the cooperative taxpayer fares much worse than the individual who relies upon his constitutional rights. U.S. v. Dickerson (7th Circuit 1969)

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-22   22:25:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

'The U. S. income tax system is built on the idea of 'voluntary compliance.' This means that it is left to the taxpayer to keep the necessary records, file a return on time, pay any required taxes, and meet any other requirements of the tax law. The system is built on trust in the citizens to know their responsibilities and to do what needs to be done. Taxpayers voluntarily follow the steps the tax system lays out. Failure to do so can result in penalties.

I'd feel better about paying taxes if my government actually represented me, or did the jobs they were supposed to do, as opposed to give money to countries that hate us, allow terrorists to kill our citizens, and of course, the outright treason that takes place daily in the house and the senate.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-06-22   22:39:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#41. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#40)

I'd feel better about paying taxes if my government actually represented me, or did the jobs they were supposed to do, as opposed to give money to countries that hate us, allow terrorists to kill our citizens, and of course, the outright treason that takes place daily in the house and the senate.

No! Tell me it ain't so, Tommy! It can't be! You mean there is actually something we agree on! MY WORD! The chickens have come home Bertha!

Well, just remember, what is going on in Washington, DC, is our fault, cause we let it start. Now, take a look at the last sentence in this quote, and remember it.

Jack Cole Co. v. MacFarland 337 S.W. 2d. 453, 455-456 (Tenn. 1960) "Since the Right to receive income or earnings is a Right belonging to every person, this right cannot be taxed as a privilege." It can, however, be contracted away.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-22 23:21:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Taxpayers voluntarily follow the steps the tax system lays out. Failure to do so can result in penalties.

Oh, I get it now. People voluntarily obey the prohibitions against murder.

So, "voluntary compliance" means "Mandatory or we'll execute you" in the govt lexicon.

richard9151

And, I agree that people who offer to sell the silver bullet to slay the werewolf are running scams.

But, you seem more benign and accepting of the systemic evil and more hostile toward some (perhaps) misguided patriots.

If you know the truth it should be the other way around.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-06-23 08:38:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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