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Title: The Best Rebuttal To The Truthers
Source: rhymeswithright
URL Source: http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/229396.php
Published: Jun 15, 2007
Author: rhymeswithright
Post Date: 2007-06-15 09:11:39 by can of corn
Keywords: twoofers, tinfoil, ron paul
Views: 874
Comments: 92

You know, those loons that cannot believe that 9/11 was a terrorist attack and that instead our own government attacked America on 9/11.

No, it isn't an appeal to eyewitnesses, of whom there are many. It isn't an appeal to science, which overwhelmingly demonstrates that the official version is correct. Rather, it is a simple appeal to logic.

[T]o believe in many of these kooky conspiracy theories, you have to believe that tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, politicians, bureaucrats, journalists, FBI agents, and CIA agents all know about an incredibly complex, monstrous plot against the United States, and are keeping their lips sealed while Charlie Sheen, Rosie O'Donnell, and the fruit loops who think Bush is a puppet of the Freemasons have figured it all out.

So much like the claim that the moon landings all took place in a soundstage, simple reality cannot sustain the conspiracy claims. After all, given the inability of small groups of people to keep small secrets, there is no way that a large group of people could possibly keep "the truth" hidden if 9/11 was a government conspiracy.

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#1. To: can of corn (#0)

It doesn't take that many.

How many knew about the Reichstag Fire?

robin  posted on  2007-06-15   9:14:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#1) (Edited)

As David Ray Griffin points out, the secret of the Manhattan Project was kept for several years, even though many thousands of people must have known about it to some extent.

One might add that the secret of our having cracked the Enigma German cypher machine was kept for 30 years or so, even though, again, many thousands of people were briefed enough about the project to know that much.

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-15   9:48:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: aristeides (#7)

The Bush Administration couldn't even keep his wiretapping programs from being leaked. It's idiocy to suggest he could pull off a job like this without somebody leaking it.

And BTW, since hijackers didn't really fly planes with passengers into the WTCs, where are those planes and passengers and crew now? I'd love to here how Bush was supposed to have all these whisked away secretly without anyone noticing. You think Babara Olsen is now living on some secluded Pacific island?

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   9:55:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: can of corn (#9)

And BTW, since hijackers didn't really fly planes with passengers into the WTCs, where are those planes and passengers and crew now? I'd love to here how Bush was supposed to have all these whisked away secretly without anyone noticing. You think Babara Olsen is now living on some secluded Pacific island?

You really do love those straw men, don't you? I haven't committed myself to any particular theory of what happened on 9/11, merely to the conclusion that the official account of 9/11 is itself so absurd as to be unbelievable. Plenty of alternatives leave the planes hitting the buildings and the hijackers on board the planes.

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-15   10:21:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: aristeides (#13)

I haven't committed myself to any particular theory of what happened on 9/11,

Nor do any of the twoofers, because they can't fathom a plausible real life scenario that correlates with their conspiracy fantasies.

It's impossible to know EXACTLY what happened during the building collpases. And people can hear things which SOUND like explosions. And witnesses always have conflicting accounts. And some people will say controversial things just for publicity. Etc. Etc.

The twoofers dwell on such minitia as proof of some kind of conspiracy, but in reality, the conspiracy only exists in their brain addled imaginations.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   10:28:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: can of corn (#14)

That our air defense system failed to perform as it always had you think is a piece of minutiae?

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-15   10:33:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: aristeides (#15)

That our air defense system failed to perform as it always had you think is a piece of minutiae?

WRONG

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   10:36:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: can of corn (#17)

I suggest you read David Ray Griffin's Debunking 9/11 Debunking. I believe he refutes the arguments that appear to be at your link.

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-15   10:39:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: aristeides (#19)

No, the link I gave you addresses the rebuttals as well as refuting the original claim.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   10:40:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: can of corn (#20) (Edited)

No, the link I gave you addresses the rebuttals as well as refuting the original claim.

Then why don't you post them here and go through them?

Is it easier to post a suspicious link to a mass of crap and then say: "If you were to wade through that mess you would see I am right." ?

...  posted on  2007-06-15   10:42:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: ... (#21)

Then why don't you post them here and go through them?

Because, there are many links within the link I gave adressing all the points, and the arguments are long and detailed, and it's not practical to post them here.

I'm sorry that no Alex Jones' type 30 second sound bite is available. I'm aware that that is what the twoofers normally consider "proof."

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   10:46:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: can of corn (#24)

Because, there are many links within the link I gave adressing all the points, and the arguments are long and detailed, and it's not practical to post them here.

And you cannot give us a synopsis that we can check against the sources in the link and rip to shreds.

OK, that really does explain where you are coming from. I suspected this and that is why I made Post #21.

...  posted on  2007-06-15   10:48:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: ... (#26)

Here is a list of points addressed:

# Payne Stewart and the story of the “speedy” interception

# "It takes about one minute" for the FAA to contact NORAD about a problem plane, after which NORAD can scramble fighter jets “within a matter of minutes” to anywhere in the United States

# Fighter intercepts are routine, with 67 taking place in 9 months before 9/11

# A June 1st 2001 change in intercept procedures required all requests for assistance in hijackings to be approved by the Secretary of Defence

# Dick Cheney was in charge of NORAD hijacking exercises on 9/11

# Eye-witness testimony casts doubt on the time NORAD claimed they scrambled jets to intercept Flight 11

# Intercepts of suspect planes normally happen within 10 minutes. Why not on 9/11?

# The hijacked planes should still have been tracked on radar, even if their transponders were turned off

# The many war games and exercises scheduled for 9/11 delayed military response to the hijackings

# Why were fighters not launched from Andrews Air Force Base, closest to Washington?

# When fighters were launched, they flew at suspiciously slow speeds

# General Myers initial story was that no fighters were launched until after the Pentagon was hit

# The 9/11 Commission say that NORAD didn’t recognise the threat from 9/11-type attacks until they happened, but that just isn’t credible

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It addresses the implausibility of conspiracy claims for each point as well as the rebuttals made to the debunking of the conspiracy claims.

It should be quite clear that no brief synopsis is available other than the twoofers are full of caca.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   10:52:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: can of corn (#31)

Quit spamming.

I don't care what particular points are addressed and you know that. You are trying to obfuscate the fact that your silly tactic was exposed.

Use the information to refute the allegations that people have made on this thread. Then source your assertion.

But you understand all of this.

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#35. To: ... (#33)

I'm doing nothing more than demonstrating you have no desire to know the truth and wish to wallow in your paranoid delusional fantasies.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   10:58:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: can of corn (#35) (Edited)

I'm doing nothing more than demonstrating you have no desire to know the truth and wish to wallow in your paranoid delusional fantasies.

OK, this proves you are a knowing, bald faced liar.

Please post my views on the 911 truth movement, i.e., my paranoid delusional fantasies on the subject, and provide a link to back up your claim.

You can't do it and you know it.

What you state above is a knowing bald faced lie performed with the specific intent to smear.

By the way, if you can't control your temper, it is probably time to turn off the 'puter.

...  posted on  2007-06-15   11:01:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: ... (#36)

Please post my views on the 911 truth movement, i.e., my paranoid delusional fantasies on the subject, and provide a link to back up your claim.

By the way, if you can't control your temper, it is probably time to turn off the 'puter.

.

No I haven't seen much of what you've posted.

BTW, does anybody buy your phony indignation act?

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   11:24:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: can of corn, ... (#44)

No I haven't seen much of what you've posted.

Meaning you had absolutely no justification for your accusation of paranoia.

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-15   11:28:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: aristeides (#46)

Oh BTW, I have seen portions of Griffin's writings.

In one instance, he surmises that Cheney ordered the plane to be allowed to hit the Pentagon.

Then, in another he surmises that a plane didn't hit it at all. It was a missile.

Like all the twoofers, he can't even get his story straight.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15   11:49:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: can of corn (#49)

Griffin has now written four books on 9/11. It's only natural that he should have altered his thinking over time.

Does this alleged contradiction exist in his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking? Don't you think it's fair to press him on his views in his latest book? Maybe you should read it, instead of refusing to read it?

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-15   11:57:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#51. To: aristeides (#50)

Judging from the reviews of Griffin's book, this is nothing more than the same threadbare conspiracy rantings being bandied about for the last 5 years.

Conspiracy rantings effectively dismissed here or here for two places.

can of corn  posted on  2007-06-15 12:32:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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