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Title: The Best Rebuttal To The Truthers
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rhymeswithright
URL Source: http://rhymeswithright.mu.nu/archives/229396.php
Published: Jun 15, 2007
Author: rhymeswithright
Post Date: 2007-06-15 09:11:39 by can of corn
Keywords: twoofers, tinfoil, ron paul
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Comments: 92
You know, those loons that cannot believe that 9/11 was a terrorist attack and that instead our own government attacked America on 9/11. No, it isn't an appeal to eyewitnesses, of whom there are many. It isn't an appeal to science, which overwhelmingly demonstrates that the official version is correct. Rather, it is a simple appeal to logic. [T]o believe in many of these kooky conspiracy theories, you have to believe that tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, politicians, bureaucrats, journalists, FBI agents, and CIA agents all know about an incredibly complex, monstrous plot against the United States, and are keeping their lips sealed while Charlie Sheen, Rosie O'Donnell, and the fruit loops who think Bush is a puppet of the Freemasons have figured it all out. So much like the claim that the moon landings all took place in a soundstage, simple reality cannot sustain the conspiracy claims. After all, given the inability of small groups of people to keep small secrets, there is no way that a large group of people could possibly keep "the truth" hidden if 9/11 was a government conspiracy.
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#40. To: can of corn (#34)
aristeides is right. you are imitating BAC again. you were warned about this yesterday. if you can't be original i WILL replace you with a new kook. this is your last warning.
why don't understand why he changes his name every few days over on LP.
They all have the same Mossad/ADL/DOD/CIA issued "copy and paste" "rebuttals" on their hard drives.
You mean sourced point by point rebuttals of truther claims? What was the problem?
By the way, if you can't control your temper, it is probably time to turn off the 'puter. . No I haven't seen much of what you've posted. BTW, does anybody buy your phony indignation act?
Also just the same format BAC used. It's very noticeable.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Meaning you had absolutely no justification for your accusation of paranoia.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I always used to wonder how BAC was able to produce those enormous tomes within seconds.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
When he makes summary remarks like this towards links rebutting the twoofers: And you cannot give us a synopsis that we can check against the sources in the link and rip to shreds. I have to assume he agrees with the twoofers since he automatically assumes anything rebutting them will ripped to shreds.
Oh BTW, I have seen portions of Griffin's writings. In one instance, he surmises that Cheney ordered the plane to be allowed to hit the Pentagon. Then, in another he surmises that a plane didn't hit it at all. It was a missile. Like all the twoofers, he can't even get his story straight.
Griffin has now written four books on 9/11. It's only natural that he should have altered his thinking over time. Does this alleged contradiction exist in his latest book, Debunking 9/11 Debunking? Don't you think it's fair to press him on his views in his latest book? Maybe you should read it, instead of refusing to read it?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Judging from the reviews of Griffin's book, this is nothing more than the same threadbare conspiracy rantings being bandied about for the last 5 years. Conspiracy rantings effectively dismissed here or here for two places.
Starred Review. An emeritus professor of theology with no previous interest in conspiracy theories, Griffin has dedicated himself since 2003 to the "9/11 truth" movement, a group committed to "exposing the falsity of the official theory about 9/11," and this book is a thorough, highly detailed attempt to do just that. As Griffin aptly notes, "the assumption that conspiracy theories are inherently irrational" has recently taken root in American culture, making any attack on the official government record instantly dismissible, but Griffin takes to the difficult task with solid reasoning and true zeal. All but the most dogmatic readers will find Griffin's evidence-from the inconsistencies between NORAD tapes and the 9/11 Commission Report to rigorous exploration into the physics of the collapse-detailed and deeply unnerving. For instance, Griffin considers the fact that firefighters were told, five hours before the fact, that building WTC 7 was going to collapse, despite "the fact that WTC 7 was not hit by a plane, that the available photographs show no large fires, and that fire had never caused a steel-frame high-rise to collapse." Another chilling passage looks at the Pennsylvania crash site of United Airlines Flight 93 through the testimony of those first to arrive, who were unanimous in finding "no recognizable plane parts, no body parts." For anyone who doubts the government's truthfulness regarding the WTC terrorist attack, this well-researched volume will give you a trough full of ideas to chew on. The reviews from the page to which you linked are unanimously highly favorable. Including the first one, from Publishers Weekly. I wonder if you bothered to read the reviews.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Yes, I did to see what his arguments were, and there's nothing new. You will find them rebutted at the links I gave you.
Any commercial passenger jet that suddenly "goes dark" while on or off radar becomes an immediate priority and jets are scrambled to intercept. Any commercial passenger plane that departs from its scheduled flight plan becomes an immediate priority and jets are scrambled to intercept. In every incident when one or both of these anomalies were present (prior to this early Christmas/Channukah present to PNAC, neocons, military contractors, Israel, Larry Silverstein and BushCo) the planes that triggered the alarms were successfully intercepted if they remained airborne, and usually before those that crashed did so. (Payne Stewart) In every case where any circumstances resulted in unanswered questions about the status, air worthiness and/or safety of every airborne commercial and private/corporate plane, fighter jets were dispatched and the airliners and private/corporate planes that remained airborne were successfully intercepted. This is for two reasons. The military jets are so fast and strategically stationed that escape/evasion was (prior to 9/11) virtually impossible, and, all conceivable evasive tactics have been anticipated and remedies solidified into policy. No one has ever asserted that some new and unanticipated method(s) to defeat our air defenses were implemented that terrible day. No, we were told that, not only have official sources failed to agree on what times ATC and Norad were notified, but some in critical positions of responsibility were either mistaken or confused, and, that no crime was committed when one ATC supervisor destroyed an audiotape and spread the broken pieces between several trash receptacles, and none of those trained and charged with US airspace safety have been demoted or discharged and in fact many have been promoted since that terrible day. These intercepts are successfully accomplished about 100 times a year, and without exception. There are simply no legitimate unanticipated contingencies that could have permitted four airliners to have defeated the multi billion dollar redundant air safety and defense systems that terrible day, unless it was allowed to happen. Only persons who are too petrified to contemplate the implications of this, and those who desperately want the official fairie tale to be accepted could assert, or (in the case of the really afflicted dummies, believe) otherwise. And, if the official story was accurate the studies to identify and close these deadly breaches in our air defenses would be ongoing today, as opposed to the fact that no such investigation has ever been demanded by govt or media watchdogs, not even ambitious political hopefuls who seize on every newsworthy issue when campaigning, not even those political hacks representing Israel, which has done all it could for twenty years to make American airlines adopt EL AL-type security measures including hand searching of every bag on every flight, and automatic emergency flare and chaff deployment measures on every passenger airplane (to defeat close range MANPADs and other weapons) and not even consumer groups (surviving family members notwithstanding) who are concerned for the safety of our country have offered any apparently (FOX, CNN or MSNBC) newsworthy concerns about the complete collapse and failure of multiple redundant systems resulting in thousands of death and billions in losses. These facts alone would be enough to indict, convict and execute persons for crimes in any other case, country or circumstances, but within days our govt was asking, "Osama hoo?" and telling us that Saddam was the culprit, a charge which Bush himself has since publicly admitted was untrue. And, we were told that the American people's faith in the Bush regime, the Pentagon, NORAD and all involved persons and agencies was unshakable, except in the minds of obviously distraught (and possibly unpatriotic and Bush hating, which are now synonymous) enclaves of kooks and profiteers who are simply looking for the big payoff, and because Bush talks to GOD any questions about the ever evolving official account is the mark of greedy traitors trying to profit from tragedy and hurt an unimpeachable character who wouldn't lie about anything, or have an agenda other than humble service (as our dictator if we really insist, because no sacrifice is too great and he'd overcome his humility somehow) and to hold back nothing in service to the greatest nation on earth. Not one American statistician or mathematician has dared to reveal the impossible odds of these events coinciding, as was the case with the assassination of JFK when only one Canadian think tank crunched the numbers. Now why is that?
Nice rant!
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition Thank you. If BAC was here he'd post pix of the Pentagon and say, "Lt. Col Karen Kwiatkowski is a liar, and people who live in silica based structures shouldn't launch poorly targeted projectiles...." And, with a link or course.
This is the writing can of corn has just admitted that he admires, in fact it's his favorite "anti-twoofer" rant. So he actually does enjoy applying the 1st amendment, when it suits him. There is obviously no need to be polite to him when he lies and spins, that's not his "favorite" type of rant. That all said, Truthers need to get shot in the back of the fucking head. Every last one of them. Line 'em up against the wall like the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Fucking lame-dick conspiracy theorist tinfoil-hat fucktards, every fucking last douchebag piss-gargling one of them. IQ of fucking mayonnaise, I swear. I'm so sick of the vacuum-skulled pissant walking piles of drooling slime clod motherfuckers being looked at as if they have a valid fucking opinion, and NOT being thrown into a fucking rubber room where they fucking belong. And if you number amongst these witless shitstains, let me know right here and now so that I can never fucking associate with you again, and so that I know to beat you over the head with a fucking lamp if I ever see you in person, because something bright needs to make contact with your thick goddamned skulls. And don't even try to give me your dipshit Alex Jones/Charlie Sheen/Rosie O'Donnell/back page of some used toilet paper of a worthless anusbreath socialist newsletter horseshit "Loose Change" tardbucket drivel that's been debunked by everyone smarter than burnt toast a thousand fucking times over. I'm serious; you people need to be held underwater until the bubbles stop. You're worthless. Fucking worthless. You and your whole goddamned outfit are worthless. Die in a fire, and come back to life so you can die in another fire. Jeez.
despicable excuse for a human being ping
This is very revealing. Obviously he isn't a Christian, and his taste for evil retribution against people whose views undermine his real agenda strongly suggest that his screen name was chosen to throw us off the track. We're supposed to assume that he's an ordinary, garden variety American who seeks the truth and who has calmly examined the facts and reached a different conclusion, but now he reveals something akin to bare fear at the prospect of the truth being exposed, and the willingness to kill any innocent to prevent that. This passion is identical to that which we see from the special interest (to the exclusion of all others) who were and still are petrified of a closer exam of the USS Liberty attack. Now, what does that tell you?
Just the fact that it happened at all is kooky, and to think only 14 or so people were able to carry off such a sophisticated operation is what is kooky IMO.
Good God! What anger, why would not believing the official govt. version inspire such venom in some people? Thanks for posting that Arator, was not quite sure if it was safe to click on that link! That is weird some person/s want to shoot Truthers in the head. That person needs to be more concerned with murderers and rapists and such.
Question: Who is it that considers it a birthright to murder any and all who dare expose unflattering truths that they wish to bury forever? Who is it that has no concern for his immortal soul and isn't bound by any such limitations when wishing pure evil (his old and reliable friend) on those of us who still stand for principles that this person and like minded others have never embraced, and indeed regard as weakness? Who is it who often pretends to be a mid western, plaid shirt corn fed American then eventually reveals a dark, alien (middle eastern) philosophy that must be hidden in order to sell the ruse and be taken seriously? Who is it that is always better served by lies, murder and deceit than honor, truth and respect for human life? Who is it that's trying to convince Americans that torture, murder and any unspeakable acts that will facilitate their desired goal is acceptable and working within moral guidelines (either Christian or even international law) is not only for the weak but the antithesis of fundamentals beliefs that must be forced on others but never fully revealed for fear of horrifiyng the unsuspecting hosts? If you examine the two faces of coc you'll see a familiar evil come into focus....
Same here, it defies logic.
uh huh.
Hey how are you?!
I think he was a very fast typer, some of his stuff had to answer directly to specific questions. I got angry with him shortly before he left and called him a f*cking creep. Normally I didn't lose my temper with him though.
Whoever wrote that needs to be in a rubber room in order to protect society.
Sociopath with much pent-up rage, could go postal!!!
This is reminiscent of a screed I was subjected to at LP shortly before I was banned. The PsychoSexual insults are familiar; in this case the only aspect missing is a reference to severe and damaging anal sex, which was rather adroitly addressed to me there. It is a sign of fascistic mindset (See the movie "SALO" by Paolo Pier Pasolini for an exposition of the connection between fascism and really hard core sexual perversion, genital obsession and excretory stimulation - if you dare - it's not any easy flick to take) that when confronted with something they don't like, resort to nasty sado- sexual insults. Makes you realize where the S&M dungeons of AbuGhraib and Gitmo came from.
You were subjected to such an attack, that is creepy! I've seen this happen a few times what you are talking about, I don't quite understand the mentality, it must be a male sexual perversion of sorts, that much I've concluded. I've noticed it on LP, when they don't like someone, they gang up on that person and throw homo accusations at them that get somewhat graphic involving anal sex and such, it always makes me wonder if those throwing the insults have violent homosexual fantasies as I don't think that is normal behavior. If I were to see that movie you are talking about it would probably give me nightmares! I do find such behavior very strange indeed.
Does anyone else think that "Can of Corn" really should get tested for rabies?
I say Epstein-Barr or Tay Sachs...
LOL! If only we were so lucky. Tay Sachs usually kills during the first few years of life (then again, rabies kills quickly too).
very very well done. just wow.
get a load of that and i dare you to deem HOUNDDAWG a goofy truther.
If only what ailes him were so easily cured. I'm afraid his problem might be deeper and harder to get at, somewhere down in the pitch black darkness of the void that once was his soul.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
what LP'er delivered that screed. do you recall?
And joined by those who post who regard it as their "favorite anti-twoofer rant".
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Alcuin, IIRC. The one who snitched to GL was BAC. :>> I posted a rather cute(!) photo that I googled using the phrase "eating shit" after alcuin gave me one of his anal fantasy insults, this one involving a baton! BAC took exception. There was another one involved in the fracas, but cannot recall who that was.
So this is what you believe. Where would you like to meet to carry out your desire Mr Can of Crap? I know what Fascists like you need. So, let me know.
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#41. To: BTP Holdings (#39)
#42. To: aristeides (#37)
Enemies of the Republic
#43. To: aristeides (#37)
That looks an awful lot like a BAC posting.
#44. To: ... (#36)
Please post my views on the 911 truth movement, i.e., my paranoid delusional fantasies on the subject, and provide a link to back up your claim.
#45. To: can of corn (#43)
#46. To: can of corn, ... (#44)
No I haven't seen much of what you've posted.
#47. To: Critter (#42)
#48. To: aristeides, ... (#46)
Meaning you had absolutely no justification for your accusation of paranoia.
#49. To: aristeides (#46)
#50. To: can of corn (#49)
#51. To: aristeides (#50)
#52. To: can of corn (#51)
From Publishers Weekly
#53. To: aristeides (#52)
I wonder if you bothered to read the reviews.
#54. To: can of corn, Zipporah, robin, rowdee, christine, lodwick, Jethro Tull, JC Harris (#31)
(Edited)
# The hijacked planes should still have been tracked on radar, even if their transponders were turned off
#55. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)
#56. To: IndieTX (#55)
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#57. To: can of corn, Cynicom, Arator, Dakmar, bluedogtxn, Calamity, Vitamin Z, kiki, Jethro Tull, Zipporah, Eoghan, robnoel, HOUNDDAWG, Mekons4, tom007, Yertle Turtle, JC Harris, Lady X, JiminyC (#6)
To: Cynicom, arator
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." ~George Washington
Ron Paul for President
#58. To: robin, IndieTx, JCHarris, Zipporah (#57)
#59. To: robin, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull, rowdee, (#57)
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#60. To: can of corn (#0)
[T]o believe in many of these kooky conspiracy theories, you have to believe that tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, politicians, bureaucrats, journalists, FBI agents, and CIA agents all know about an incredibly complex, monstrous plot against the United States,
#61. To: Arator, can or corn, All (#8)
"That all said, Truthers need to get shot in the back of the fucking head. Every last one of them. Line 'em up against the wall like the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Fucking lame-dick conspiracy theorist tinfoil-hat fucktards, every fucking last douchebag piss-gargling one of them."
#62. To: christine (#58)
#63. To: aristeides (#13)
I haven't committed myself to any particular theory of what happened on 9/11, merely to the conclusion that the official account of 9/11 is itself so absurd as to be unbelievable.
#64. To: HOUNDDAWG (#59)
This passion is identical to that which we see from the special interest (to the exclusion of all others) who were and still are petrified of a closer exam of the USS Liberty attack.
#65. To: can of corn (#34)
#66. To: aristeides, Critter, ... (#47)
I always used to wonder how BAC was able to produce those enormous tomes within seconds.
#67. To: robin (#57)
That all said, Truthers need to get shot in the back of the fucking head. Every last one of them. Line 'em up against the wall like the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Fucking lame-dick conspiracy theorist tinfoil-hat fucktards, every fucking last douchebag piss-gargling one of them. IQ of fucking mayonnaise, I swear. I'm so sick of the vacuum-skulled pissant walking piles of drooling slime clod motherfuckers being looked at as if they have a valid fucking opinion, and NOT being thrown into a fucking rubber room where they fucking belong.
#68. To: robin (#57)
And don't even try to give me your dipshit Alex Jones/Charlie Sheen/Rosie O'Donnell/back page of some used toilet paper of a worthless anusbreath socialist newsletter horseshit "Loose Change" tardbucket drivel that's been debunked by everyone smarter than burnt toast a thousand fucking times over. I'm serious; you people need to be held underwater until the bubbles stop. You're worthless. Fucking worthless. You and your whole goddamned outfit are worthless. Die in a fire, and come back to life so you can die in another fire. Jeez.
#69. To: Diana (#68)
#70. To: swarthyguy (#69)
when confronted with something they don't like, resort to nasty sado- sexual insults.
#71. To: Arator, can of corn (#8)
"That all said, Truthers need to get shot in the back of the fucking head. Every last one of them. Line 'em up against the wall like the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Fucking lame-dick conspiracy theorist tinfoil-hat fucktards, every fucking last douchebag piss-gargling one of them."
#72. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#71)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#73. To: Eoghan (#72)
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I say Epstein-Barr or Tay Sachs...
#74. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)
There are simply no legitimate unanticipated contingencies that could have permitted four airliners to have defeated the multi billion dollar redundant air safety and defense systems that terrible day, unless it was allowed to happen.
#75. To: HOUNDDAWG, YertleTurtle (#54)
#76. To: Rupert_Pupkin, can of corn (#71)
(Edited)
Does anyone else think that "Can of Corn" really should get tested for rabies?
#77. To: swarthyguy (#69)
#78. To: Diana (#67)
Whoever wrote that needs to be in a rubber room in order to protect society.
#79. To: christine (#77)
(Edited)
#80. To: robin, CHRISTINE, CAN OF CORN, CAONOFCRAP, JCHARRIS, btp holdings (#57)
That all said, Truthers need to get shot in the back of the fucking head. Every last one of them. Line 'em up against the wall like the St. Valentine's Day Massacre. Fucking lame-dick conspiracy theorist tinfoil-hat fucktards, every fucking last douchebag piss-gargling one of them. IQ of fucking mayonnaise, I swear. I'm so sick of the vacuum-skulled pissant walking piles of drooling slime clod motherfuckers being looked at as if they have a valid fucking opinion, and NOT being thrown into a fucking rubber room where they fucking belong. And if you number amongst these witless shitstains, let me know right here and now so that I can never fucking associate with you again, and so that I know to beat you over the head with a fucking lamp if I ever see you in person, because something bright needs to make contact with your thick goddamned skulls
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