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Title: Lou Dobbs is an idiot (as if you needed more evidence)
Source: ambrosini.us
URL Source: http://www.ambrosini.us/wordpress/2 ... -needed-more-evidence-edition/
Published: Jun 20, 2007
Author: ambrosini.us
Post Date: 2007-06-20 11:41:20 by can of corn
Keywords: None
Views: 1127
Comments: 69

He’s clueless about political economy. Also, he lies. He claimed immigrants make up 1/3 of the prison population when in fact they have a lower incarceration rate than the rest of the population (they’re 6% of inmates and 7% of the total population). Also, he’s suggested immigrants are responsible for an imaginary leprosy epidemic(!). From the NYT article:

The most common complaint about [Dobbs], at least from other journalists, is that his program combines factual reporting with editorializing. But I think this misses the point. Americans, as a rule, are smart enough to handle a program that mixes opinion and facts. The problem with Mr. Dobbs is that he mixes opinion and untruths. He is the heir to the nativist tradition that has long used fiction and conspiracy theories as a weapon against the Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, the Jews and, now, the Mexicans.

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#2. To: can of corn, *The Border* (#0)

INVASION USA

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan

Posted: November 28, 2006

1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

In the population study of a sample of 55,322 illegal aliens, researchers found that they were arrested at least a total of 459,614 times, averaging about 8 arrests per illegal alien. Nearly all had more than 1 arrest. Thirty-eight percent (about 21,000) had between 2 and 5 arrests, 32 percent (about 18,000) had between 6 and 10 arrests, and 26 percent (about 15,000) had 11 or more arrests. Most of the arrests occurred after 1990.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kouri/jim62.htm

"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/3/27/114208.shtml

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

http://www.gao.gov/docsearch/abstract.php?rptno=GAO-05-646R

They were arrested for a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses, averaging about 13 offenses per illegal alien. One arrest incident may include multiple offenses, a fact that explains why there are nearly one and half times more offenses than arrests. Almost all of these illegal aliens were arrested for more than 1 offense. Slightly more than half of the 55,322 illegal aliens had between 2 and 10 offenses. About 45 percent of all offenses were drug or immigration offenses. About 15 percent were property-related offenses such as burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and property damage. About 12 percent were for violent offenses such as murder, robbery, assault, and sex-related crimes. The balance was for such other offenses as traffic violations, including driving under the influence; fraud--including forgery and counterfeiting; weapons violations; and obstruction of justice. Eighty percent of all arrests occurred in three states--California, Texas, and Arizona. Specifically, about 58 percent of all arrests occurred in California, 14 percent in Texas, and 8 percent in Arizona.

robin  posted on  2007-06-20   12:24:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

Don't do this robin, and make me be on the same side as can of corn! I have already torn up at least two immigration ariticles, one of which was probably from Morris Dees and used to promote hate.

Here is a fact: most illegal immigrants are scared of the police. This only makes sense, because if they get involved with the police, they end up getting deported. For this reason, most illegal immigrants are much more law abiding that you or I. For fear.

Secondly, and we have gone over this before, what that is proposed and writtne about in the national media do you accept as the truth? Anything, or, just about immigration?

And until you can show me ONE thing that is true and that is honestly reported in the press, do not start using info from the press to prove a point such as this.

Besides, (choke, gasp, pain!) can of corn is right about Lou Dobbs, and everyone in 4um pretty much knows it, I suspect.

Which, by the way, does not say much about your sources to disprove the point!

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-20   12:35:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: richard9151 (#3)

http://www.gao.gov/docsearch/abstract.php?rptno=GAO-05-646R

That's a .gov source not MSM.

Yes, I agree that most illegals are afraid of the police and most do not commit violent crimes. But there are millions and millions of illegals here now, especially in the SouthWest.

robin  posted on  2007-06-20   12:37:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#4)

That's a .gov source not MSM.

The 911 report is also a gov source. So was the report on Oklahoma City. And the report on Waco, and Kennedy, and Ruby Ridge. So, your point is?

And this is official government policy; Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

Have you read the post? And, the other three I put up with it?

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-20   12:47:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: richard9151 (#5)

Prison and arrest stats are easily checked, unlike the 9/11 Commission's report.

Not the same.

robin  posted on  2007-06-20   12:47:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#6)

Prison and arrest stats are easily checked, unlike the 9/11 Commission's report.

And? How? AND; have you done that?

The attorney who wrote the book about Satanism in America, from Neb., The Franklin Cover-Up, reported on how nothing in the FBI stats on crime includes any information on missing children, or, in large part, any info on crimes against children. In short, those stats on crime are all lies. And, he went into detail about this.

The lesson being, why would you think that the media tells lies, and no one in the government falisifies anything? Or, in law inforcement? Do you believe for just one moment that there are not people in law enforcement involved in the cover-ups I mentioned before? Waco and Ruby Ridge were all about law enforcement!

Law enforcement is a part of the gov, robin, and a BIG part of the problem. Taking anything at face value from THEM is no different than accepting non- sense printed by the New York Times. In fact, it could be worse, cause most of the time, law enforcement is at the heart of the problems, while the New York Times just prints the falsehoods.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-20   13:01:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: richard9151 (#7)

Fabulous. So let's just offer everyone in the world full citizenship, full welfare benefits, and sit around the campfire to sing Kum-Ba-Yah.

Everyone knows they just LOVE America and Americans and can't wait to be your new Mayberry neighbor and lend you their garden shears.

Right? RIGHT?

mirage  posted on  2007-06-20   14:10:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: mirage, robin (#10)

Fabulous. So let's just offer everyone in the world full citizenship, full welfare benefits, and sit around the campfire to sing Kum-Ba-Yah.

Hell no. I want the border locked down tight, IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. And when the United States CREATES a problem, such as the gangs, and then dares to export that to Mèxico, NO WAY!

And furthermore, I want less bigotry. Which means, first off, some respect for the problems in Mèxico WHICH HAVE BEEN CREATED BY AND FOR THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND THE HANDLERS OF THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, THE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS.

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 -- Either one of you bothered to read this post? If you had, you would know that the race problem WAS DELIBERATELY CREATED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

For further help in understanding, I also posted these;

Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States

THE UNITED STATES POPULATION IN TRANSITION

A History of the White Race

So don't tell me, I don't know.

Will Rogers said it best;

I see where we are starting to pay some attention to our neigbors to the south. We could never understand why Mexico wasn't just crazy about us; for we have always had their good will, and oil and minerals, at heart. -- The Best of Will Rogers

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-20   14:42:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: richard9151 (#11) (Edited)

so are you a citizen of the US or Mexico? Where on earth do you get that this is a good thing for this country? It isnt.. what the reasons are behind the illegals in this country tell the story.. this is not the end of US sovereignty its the end of this country period.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-06-20   18:03:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Zipporah (#32)

its the end of this country period.

You are correct. Congrats. It also means the end of Mèxico. Now go look at the new post just up and learn a little about what is being done to you; it is called Thesis - Anti-thesis - Synthesis.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-20   21:39:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: richard9151 (#48)

I have no interest honestly.. it is not only the end of the US and Mexico but the end of Canada too..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-06-20   21:43:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Zipporah (#50)

I have no interest honestly.. it is not only the end of the US and Mexico but the end of Canada too..

At least we get to live through "interesting times"...

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