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Title: Lou Dobbs is an idiot (as if you needed more evidence)
Source: ambrosini.us
URL Source: http://www.ambrosini.us/wordpress/2 ... -needed-more-evidence-edition/
Published: Jun 20, 2007
Author: ambrosini.us
Post Date: 2007-06-20 11:41:20 by can of corn
Keywords: None
Views: 1813
Comments: 69

He’s clueless about political economy. Also, he lies. He claimed immigrants make up 1/3 of the prison population when in fact they have a lower incarceration rate than the rest of the population (they’re 6% of inmates and 7% of the total population). Also, he’s suggested immigrants are responsible for an imaginary leprosy epidemic(!). From the NYT article:

The most common complaint about [Dobbs], at least from other journalists, is that his program combines factual reporting with editorializing. But I think this misses the point. Americans, as a rule, are smart enough to handle a program that mixes opinion and facts. The problem with Mr. Dobbs is that he mixes opinion and untruths. He is the heir to the nativist tradition that has long used fiction and conspiracy theories as a weapon against the Irish, the Italians, the Chinese, the Jews and, now, the Mexicans.

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#51. To: can of corn (#0)

Also, he lies. He claimed immigrants make up 1/3 of the prison population when in fact they have a lower incarceration rate than the rest of the population (they’re 6% of inmates and 7% of the total population).

Can 'o Corn spreads lies. Dobbs never said "immigrants make up 1/3 of the prison population." Get your facts straight. "Non United States Citizens" appear to make up 26.5% of the current Federal prison population according to Federal Bureau of Prisons statistics.

David Leonhardt said the following in the NYT article.

For one thing, Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality. He has said, for example, that one-third of the inmates in the federal prison system are illegal immigrants. That’s wrong, too. According to the Justice Department, 6 percent of prisoners in this country are noncitizens (compared with 7 percent of the population).
Leonhardt does a bait-and-switch in midstream, which Can o' Corn emulates. Leonhardt accurately cites "inmates in the federal prison system," falsely refers to "illegal immigrants" and then cites a total bullshit statistic which does -NOT- pertain to the Federal prison system.

A 2003 report by Bill Tucker said one-third of the inmates in the federal prison system were not United States citizens. He went on to note that there was no system in place to identify how many of those were illegal aliens.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/04/ldt.00.html

LOU DOBBS TONIGHT

Aired November 4, 2003 - 18:00 ET

[Excerpt]

BILL TUCKER, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Lou, the costs exceed $1.4 billion, and that's just the cost to hold them in prison. And while they were in prison, you'd think we'd identify which ones are illegal aliens. We don't.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

TUCKER (voice-over): One-third of the people in federal prisons are not United States citizens. Incredibly, there's no system currently in place to identify how many of those prisoners are also illegal aliens. Yet immigration offenses are the third most common reason people go to jail.

Leonhardt and Can o' Corn change that to "illegal immigrants" and expand it beyond the Federal prison system to all prisoners "in this country."

STATISTICS FROM THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF PRISONS

http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#2

Last Updated: Saturday, 26 May 2007

Inmate Population

Total population: 197,976
Total sentenced population: 179,980
Inmates in BOP facilities: 167,260
Inmates in privately-managed secure facilities1: 19,379
Inmates in other contract facilities2: 11,337

Inmate Breakdown

Citizenship

United States: 145,461 (73.5 %)
Mexico: 33,316 (16.8 %)
Colombia: 3,158 (1.6 %)
Cuba: 1,609 (0.8 %)
Dominican Republic: 3,124 (1.6 %)
Other/Unknown: 11,308 (5.7 %)

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[nc - that would be 26.5% non-citizens]

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-06-21   7:49:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: nolu_chan (#51)

Mexico: 33,316 (16.8 %)

Since we know the whereabouts of at least 16% of illegal Mexicans, would it be OK to deport these guys back to Mexico?

(Answer) = NO.

Mexico refuses to accept them back.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-06-21   8:27:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#52)

Since we know the whereabouts of at least 16% of illegal Mexicans....

For accuracy, that should be 16.8% of Federal prisoners are known to be illegal alien Mexicans.

That 33,316 in Federal prison is only a smidgen of the total in the country.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-06-21   10:50:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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