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Title: Is Vice President's Office Above The Law?
Source: http://www.cbsnews.com
URL Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007 ... n/courtwatch/main2965962.shtml
Published: Jun 22, 2007
Author: Attorney Andrew Cohen analyzes legal iss
Post Date: 2007-06-22 12:18:40 by robin
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Views: 133
Comments: 9

Is Vice President's Office Above The Law?
June 22, 2007(CBS) Attorney Andrew Cohen analyzes legal issues for CBS News and >http://CBSNews.com.

Back in January, just before the U.S. Attorney scandal began to rock his happy little world, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales was formally asked to answer a very simple question from the folks at the National Archives' Information Security Oversight Office: Is the Office of the Vice President an "entity within the executive branch" subject to a presidential executive order designed to safeguard classified national security information.

I think I know the answer to the question. I think you do, too. In fact, I think most any fifth grader does as well. But six months later, the nation's top lawyer still hasn't mustered up a response. This delay and the ambiguity it has fostered is important because the Office of the Vice President — the same folks who brought us the leak of the secret identity of CIA agent Valerie Plame Wilson — has taken unto itself the authority to declare as a formal legal position that it is not part of the executive branch and thus does not have to let the National Archives' folks do whatever it is they do to comply with Executive Order 12958.

That's a detailed Clinton-era (and Bush-endorsed) presidential directive that gives the Information Security Oversight Office the authority to inspect federal agencies and offices to ensure that national security secrets stay as secret as they can stay given the circumstances. Now, you might think that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's former workplace — a virtual sieve, if you believe the testimony at his perjury and obstruction of justice trial — might be particularly sensitive about cooperating with such a review. And you might think that the super-secret Vice President Dick Cheney would embrace a program that is designed to ensure secrecy. But if you thought that you would be wrong.

In 2004, the ISOO inspectors came to inspect the Office of the Vice President. No dice, said Cheney's tribunes. They blocked the inspection. Then, when the National Archives folks complained, first to the vice president's office and then later to Gonzales, Cheney and Company pushed to have the ISOO simply removed from the language of the Executive Order and eliminated from the government bureaucracy altogether. In other words, rather than comply with the directive, the vice president's office tried to simply eliminate the entity that was seeking to enforce it. That'd be like the president trying to eliminate the IRS because he doesn't want to pay taxes.

Perhaps it is too much to expect the hapless attorney general to do anything about this form of lawfare by a bunch of arrogant zealots in a rogue office within the executive branch. After all, in 2002, it was Gonzales, then acting as White House counsel, who kowtowed to some of those very same people when the administration sought (and ultimately received) his blessing to alter our nation's rules about torture. The Justice Department is in turmoil as a result of the prosecutor purge, the attorney general himself has been focused upon trying to save his own skin, and it normally takes months anyway for these sorts of legal analyses to be completed even when the focus is not an angry Office of the Vice President.

So the National Archives has as much chance of getting Justice to ride to the rescue here as you or I have in getting our passports on time. And that leaves us looking to the other two branches of government for help. The dispute has not yet reached federal court and may never get there, thanks to the political nature of the fight. After all, these are all Republicans going after one another and since executive orders are so malleable, you don't see them directly enforced in court anyway. Congress? The lawmakers, at least some of them, are trying.

The Oversight Committee of the House of Representatives Thursday tried to remind us all that this problem has been around for years and doesn't appear to be getting any closer to any sort of resolution. Committee chairman Henry A. Waxman (D.-Calif) sent an open letter to the vice president in which Waxman asked the most powerful vice president in American history to answer a long list of questions about the way in which Cheney's office has handled the affair. All I can say about the letter, and the response I expect from it, is this: good thing Waxman wasn't on a hunting trip with the vice president when the letter was delivered.

I am not an expert in the scope and depth of executive orders. But I don't think you need to be a constitutional scholar to conclude that the Office of the Vice President would be among those federal executive offices contemplated for inclusion in Order No. 12958. Otherwise, there would be no practical oversight over Cheney's office when it comes to the protection of national security information. And surely we know from our past recent history that this cannot be a good idea.

What's appalling is not that the Office of the Vice President would make this claim — why should we expect anything more from these folks given their long, rich history of blowing off their own accountability to the public and other parts of the government? What's appalling is that three years after the National Archives' folks first tried to do their job, they still haven't been allowed in, and there is no real glimmer of hope that they ever will be. This is not how a democratic government is supposed to work, and any fifth grader will probably be able to tell you that, too.

By Andrew Cohen

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#1. To: robin, ghostdogtxn, tom007, All (#0) (Edited)

In 2004, the ISOO inspectors came to inspect the Office of the Vice President. No dice, said Cheney's tribunes. They blocked the inspection. Then, when the National Archives folks complained, first to the vice president's office and then later to Gonzales, Cheney and Company pushed to have the ISOO simply removed from the language of the Executive Order and eliminated from the government bureaucracy altogether. In other words, rather than comply with the directive, the vice president's office tried to simply eliminate the entity that was seeking to enforce it. That'd be like the president trying to eliminate the IRS because he doesn't want to pay taxes.

For all practical purposes this country has been taken over by gangsters, kind of like American Oligarchs, with Bush playing the role of Yeltsin.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-22   13:55:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

In 2004, the ISOO inspectors came to inspect the Office of the Vice President.

2004 just happens to have been the year when the Office of the Vice President dec;assified parts of a National Intelligence Estimate, and was involved in leaking Plame's name.

I believe it is also the year when Bush issued an executive order greatly increasing the vice president's power to classify and declassify documents.

Finally, 2004 is the year when it became known that Chalabi, having somehow learned the highly classified information that the NSA had broken Iranian cyphers, leaked that info to the Iranians. How to Break a Code.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-22   14:33:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Diana (#1)

For all practical purposes this country has been taken over by gangsters, kind of like American Oligarchs, with Bush playing the role of Yeltsin.

A good analogy.


Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-06-22   15:06:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#0)

I am not an expert in the scope and depth of executive orders. But I don't think you need to be a constitutional scholar to conclude that the Office of the Vice President would be among those federal executive offices contemplated for inclusion in Order No. 12958.

Cheney's position, that the VP is not part of the Executive Branch, is utter nonsense.

However, it would be fun to have Congress cite Cheney's position when the Administration makes a claim of Executive Privilege related to the thugs in the VP office.

Cheney and Gonzales should both be impeached, but the Dems probably prefer to have them around for target practice during the '08 campaign.

nolu_chan  posted on  2007-06-22   15:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: nolu_chan (#4)

Cheney and Gonzales should both be impeached, but the Dems probably prefer to have them around for target practice during the '08 campaign.

Yes, time to view the other side of the same coin. This is not democracy.


Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-06-22   16:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#0)

YES.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-06-22   16:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: swarthyguy (#6)

Vice-President

Shortly after becoming Vice-President, Mr. Cheney decided that he would serve as the new, previously unknown, fourth branch of government. As such, Mr. Cheney removed the Office of the Vice-President from the Executive Branch and into the Cheney branch.

At least temporarily in Wikipedia's entry on Dick Cheney.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-06-22   17:17:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#7)

FRIENDS
Excerpt:

American disgust with Bush is so high that the only President in history with a lower approval rating is Richard M. Nixon - also the only President to resign from office to avoid impeachment.

Nixon may not hold that honor much longer. Bush is only three percentage points away from topping Tricky Dick from the highest rung of most-hated Presidents.

And that hatred is not limited to Democrats.

"The White House is a disaster," my friend said. "Bush may end up doing more damage to the Party than even Nixon."

The Party. Always the Party. I shook my head, looked my friend in the eye and tried to control my temper.

"Yes Bush is a disaster. Yes he has severely damaged the GOP. But who gives a rat's ass about that? The real issue here is what he has done to this nation and the threat he poses to the peace of the world. Don't feel me that line of crap about the Party. Forget the Goddamned Party. What about the thousands of American men and women dying in Bush's illegal and immoral war? What about the loss of freedoms we used to accept as rights as Americans?"

I realized people at other tables had stopped eating and were watching. My voice had gone up too many octaves. I struggled to calm down.

"Look," I continued in a lower tone of voice. "George Bush is a problem but he is only the latest one in a system that's out of control and you and everyone like you who continues to put partisanship above the nation is a co- conspirator to that immoral system."

He chuckled and avoided the jab, using an old political ploy to divert the conversation away from the central issue.

"You know," he said, "for someone who always claimed to be a non-believer, you still get passionate about your non-beliefs."

Yeah, I do. The political and philosophical divide in this nation has reached the point where two old friends can't even sit down for lunch without at least one of us losing our cool.

We went back to talking about the old days, of campaigns we worked in New Mexico, Montana, New York and elsewhere. We finished lunch, shook hands and went our separate ways.

He went back to Washington and worried about his political party.

I went home and worried about the future of our country.

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for English, Press 3 for deportation

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Uncle Bill  posted on  2007-06-23   4:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: aristeides, bluedogtxn, ..., Mekons4, HOUNDDAWG (#7)

Vice-President

Shortly after becoming Vice-President, Mr. Cheney decided that he would serve as the new, previously unknown, fourth branch of government. As such, Mr. Cheney removed the Office of the Vice-President from the Executive Branch and into the Cheney branch.

At least temporarily in Wikipedia's entry on Dick Cheney.

Here's hoping we can do more than laugh about the state of our govt.


Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-06-23   5:20:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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