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Editorial See other Editorial Articles Title: Dear Bret Dear Bret;
Couldn’t help but noticing your rant - #114 . I wish I had additional time today to treat your outburst with a more substantial post, but I'm really rushed. At the end of my comment is a sampling of the exchanges between myself and Ross. They should help anyone who might be interested in understanding the truth behind FU's demise.
I stand by my words you quoted. I do despise Zionists. Also, feel free to toss in *all* organized religions. Lenin nailed it when he called organized religion ‘opiate for the masses.’ Zionism is especially virulent because its adherents are both racists and warmongers. They‘ve also captured our foreign policy, imo. See the PNAC documents (or Goldi’s comment about palianimals) for some insight into their politics and racist attitudes.
As an America first nationalist, I refuse to dance to the sound of their shofar. Feel free to remain ignorant to the obvious, that‘s your choice. In proportion to their population, the power they wield is disproportionate. I’m not the only one to notice, I assure you. How ironic that they refer to our republic as a democracy, but in the case of Israel, the very few lead the many around by the nose. Most Americans are silenced by the forces of political correctness, but as long as I’m allowed to speak out I’ll continue to expose what I see as a blood thirsty tribe of malcontents.
Back to FU.
It was Ross who set out to destroy FU, not Christine. For your edification (and our amusement) I searched FU and found Ross’s exact words to me; “It (FU) has been an echo chamber, thats what needs to be changed.”. When I followed up asking how he planned to change FU, your boy opused - causing you to launch a round of bannings. By losing all objectivity, you banned your most loyal friends, supporters and contributors. Actions have outcomes, and your actions caused FU to cease being a free speech site. In response, Christine told you she was going to begin another forum, to which you answered, “you thought as much.” Thus 4um was born, and with it came nearly every member of Freedom Underground. I understand more than 100 members left FU for here - doesn’t that tell you something about how you handled the situation?
I wish this could have been settled privately, but you did ping me to your post. It remains a pity that FU ended as it did, but it’s always better to know the true feelings of people around you. In your case, you had been a frequent guest among people who treated you with class and respect. Bret, you burnt lots of bridges on your altar of political correctness, but in the end we’ll all be in the same soup - events are beyond our control. At least when that time does come we’ll know those with loyalty and character and those who wouldn’t know those qualities if they tripped over them.
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To: DownKaos, all I don't understand how I'm making a mess of this thread?
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Personally, I don't expect you to understand. At this stage in your life, you know everything, so a critical self examination is impossible. It's enough to say that you're acting like the 'owners kid'; you're peeing on the shoes of decent folks knowing you won’t be punished. Bret is in a tough spot, and you aren't helping matters. In short Ross, you're a brat who never allows facts to get in the way of your rock solid opinions. I suggest you grow up, or watch FU become an echo chamber.
27 Posted 2005-01-20 14:15:01 by Jethro Tull
("I will not ablidge you in disrupting FU ever again." - Louise/Murron/StellaMaris/Clare, etc.) [ Reply | To 20 | Edit ] IP [ 172.201.27.233 ]
To: Jethro Tull It has been an echo chamber, thats what needs to be changed.
But again, personal attacks when I have not said anything rude to anyone in this thread. 28 Posted 2005-01-20 14:17:20 by DownKaos
(Many of us believe that wrongs aren't wrong if it's done by nice people like ourselves. - Author Unknown - It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. ~Alfred Adler ) [ Reply | To 27 ] IP [ 24.217.29.51 ]
To: DownKaos It has been an echo chamber, thats what needs to be changed.
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Thanks for the insight. A few questions: when did you decide FU needed changing, and why? Also, how do you plan on implementing these changes?
29 Posted 2005-01-20 14:21:50 by Jethro Tull ("I will not ablidge you in disrupting FU ever again." - Louise/Murron/StellaMaris/Clare, etc.) [ Reply | To 28 | Edit ] IP [ 172.201.27.233 ]
To: Jethro Tull, All, christine, unamused
Anyway I'm done, I'll just go post elsewhere which is just fine to me. I thought this was a free speech forum but I guess I was wrong.
I'll continue to run this server and keep it secure because Bret love his site. I will do this even though it goes against my beliefs because I know I will just be supporting a site that had so much going for it but turned into another hate site.
I think you don't understand Bret but I will not speak for him like you all have tried and leave him to post his thoughts on the whole thing.
Peace
30 Posted 2005-01-20 14:24:01 by DownKaos
(Many of us believe that wrongs aren't wrong if it's done by nice people like ourselves. - Author Unknown - It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. ~Alfred Adler )
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Amazing how history has been rewritten.. I realize that everyone has their own
perspective.. but the fact remains the ONLY thing anyone ever said about Ross
was his ATTITUDE not what he believed or what he
thought but his attitude, plain and simple. No one asked for Ross to be banned
for I certainly did not, you did not, Christine did not. If someone else did I
have no clue who it may have been. I left there because Bret refused to treat
his kid like he would anyone else on FU.. to tone his insults and BS down.. of
course that didnt happen. He keeps spewing about 'free speech'.. what a friggen
joke. The entire mess at FU had NOTHING to do with free speech..
Exactly. It had to do with shutting down free speech. Ross said as much.
You know what is totally amazing in all this as I read that claptrap? I posted something on FU when I first became a member in regard to a post on eschatology.. ALL I said was that it was a distortion of scripture..period.. nothing more.. IMMEDIATELY I got attacked by 3 people on FU.. no discussion about the differences in views ..nothing .. I got it with both barrels..and it kept up for many many posts.. I just refused to be drawn into it.. for it was assinine.. Of course the scripture in Isaiah that says "Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together," says the Lord. ...... was left by the wayside as they didnt want to 'reason' anything all they wanted to do it attack..and now its being said THEY were attacked by "anti-semites" ??.. These people are totally delusional.. They need a major reality check.. And another reason I left when the owner announced that FU was a "hate site".. who would want to be associated with a self-proclaimed hate site..
Actually I believe from years of study of FreeRepublic and its derived forums (like LibertyPost, FreedomUnderground and this one) that the source of these "meltdowns" is a single such forum group, the "Anti-Kooking" squad that now calls itself ClownPosse. This particular forum (Anti-Kooking/ClownPosse) is known not only for its constant libel and slander of posters, mods and owners of FreeRepublic derived forums but several of its members have reputations as stalkers, hackers and crackers. In fact they were kicked of the Intenet several times by the free forum services they use to host their site (Delphi Forums, Yahoo Forums and Aimoo Free Community) for these kinds of activities. I believe that Anti-Kooking/ClownPosse generates these "meltdowns" for their own purposes (usually getting sick entertainment out of the result but sometimes to actually bring down a forum they particularly dissagree with because they tend to be a bunch of bots as well as crooks) by using their hacking and cracking techniques to monkey with forum accounts and the private mail system where there is one.
This was true of FU's pm's. Trust me. I don't know
ClownPosse from a dung beetle, but it's a fact that Ross has posted there.
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