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Title: Dear Bret
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FU
URL Source: http://www.freedomunderground.org/o ... .php?v=3&t=3&l=30&aid=13715#30
Published: May 17, 2005
Author: me
Post Date: 2005-05-17 14:56:13 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: Dear, Bret
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Comments: 59
Dear Bret;
Couldn’t help but noticing your rant - #114 . I wish I had additional time today to treat your outburst with a more substantial post, but I'm really rushed. At the end of my comment is a sampling of the exchanges between myself and Ross. They should help anyone who might be interested in understanding the truth behind FU's demise.
I stand by my words you quoted. I do despise Zionists. Also, feel free to toss in *all* organized religions. Lenin nailed it when he called organized religion ‘opiate for the masses.’ Zionism is especially virulent because its adherents are both racists and warmongers. They‘ve also captured our foreign policy, imo. See the PNAC documents (or Goldi’s comment about palianimals) for some insight into their politics and racist attitudes.
As an America first nationalist, I refuse to dance to the sound of their shofar. Feel free to remain ignorant to the obvious, that‘s your choice. In proportion to their population, the power they wield is disproportionate. I’m not the only one to notice, I assure you. How ironic that they refer to our republic as a democracy, but in the case of Israel, the very few lead the many around by the nose. Most Americans are silenced by the forces of political correctness, but as long as I’m allowed to speak out I’ll continue to expose what I see as a blood thirsty tribe of malcontents.
Back to FU.
It was Ross who set out to destroy FU, not Christine. For your edification (and our amusement) I searched FU and found Ross’s exact words to me; “It (FU) has been an echo chamber, thats what needs to be changed.”. When I followed up asking how he planned to change FU, your boy opused - causing you to launch a round of bannings. By losing all objectivity, you banned your most loyal friends, supporters and contributors. Actions have outcomes, and your actions caused FU to cease being a free speech site. In response, Christine told you she was going to begin another forum, to which you answered, “you thought as much.” Thus 4um was born, and with it came nearly every member of Freedom Underground. I understand more than 100 members left FU for here - doesn’t that tell you something about how you handled the situation?
I wish this could have been settled privately, but you did ping me to your post. It remains a pity that FU ended as it did, but it’s always better to know the true feelings of people around you. In your case, you had been a frequent guest among people who treated you with class and respect. Bret, you burnt lots of bridges on your altar of political correctness, but in the end we’ll all be in the same soup - events are beyond our control. At least when that time does come we’ll know those with loyalty and character and those who wouldn’t know those qualities if they tripped over them.
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To: DownKaos, all I don't understand how I'm making a mess of this thread?
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Personally, I don't expect you to understand. At this stage in your life, you know everything, so a critical self examination is impossible. It's enough to say that you're acting like the 'owners kid'; you're peeing on the shoes of decent folks knowing you won’t be punished. Bret is in a tough spot, and you aren't helping matters. In short Ross, you're a brat who never allows facts to get in the way of your rock solid opinions. I suggest you grow up, or watch FU become an echo chamber.
27 Posted 2005-01-20 14:15:01 by Jethro Tull
("I will not ablidge you in disrupting FU ever again." - Louise/Murron/StellaMaris/Clare, etc.) [ Reply | To 20 | Edit ] IP [ 172.201.27.233 ]
To: Jethro Tull It has been an echo chamber, thats what needs to be changed.
But again, personal attacks when I have not said anything rude to anyone in this thread. 28 Posted 2005-01-20 14:17:20 by DownKaos
(Many of us believe that wrongs aren't wrong if it's done by nice people like ourselves. - Author Unknown - It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. ~Alfred Adler ) [ Reply | To 27 ] IP [ 24.217.29.51 ]
To: DownKaos It has been an echo chamber, thats what needs to be changed.
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Thanks for the insight. A few questions: when did you decide FU needed changing, and why? Also, how do you plan on implementing these changes?
29 Posted 2005-01-20 14:21:50 by Jethro Tull ("I will not ablidge you in disrupting FU ever again." - Louise/Murron/StellaMaris/Clare, etc.) [ Reply | To 28 | Edit ] IP [ 172.201.27.233 ]
To: Jethro Tull, All, christine, unamused
Anyway I'm done, I'll just go post elsewhere which is just fine to me. I thought this was a free speech forum but I guess I was wrong.
I'll continue to run this server and keep it secure because Bret love his site. I will do this even though it goes against my beliefs because I know I will just be supporting a site that had so much going for it but turned into another hate site.
I think you don't understand Bret but I will not speak for him like you all have tried and leave him to post his thoughts on the whole thing.
Peace
30 Posted 2005-01-20 14:24:01 by DownKaos
(Many of us believe that wrongs aren't wrong if it's done by nice people like ourselves. - Author Unknown - It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. ~Alfred Adler )
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#9. To: Zipporah (#2)
Exactly. It had to do with shutting down free speech. Ross said as much.
You know what is totally amazing in all this as I read that claptrap? I posted something on FU when I first became a member in regard to a post on eschatology.. ALL I said was that it was a distortion of scripture..period.. nothing more.. IMMEDIATELY I got attacked by 3 people on FU.. no discussion about the differences in views ..nothing .. I got it with both barrels..and it kept up for many many posts.. I just refused to be drawn into it.. for it was assinine.. Of course the scripture in Isaiah that says "Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together," says the Lord. ...... was left by the wayside as they didnt want to 'reason' anything all they wanted to do it attack..and now its being said THEY were attacked by "anti-semites" ??.. These people are totally delusional.. They need a major reality check.. And another reason I left when the owner announced that FU was a "hate site".. who would want to be associated with a self-proclaimed hate site..
I remember the incident. Talk about flying monkeys. You were the "newbee" to the entrenched ones and their treatment of you was shabby. FU is in the rear view mirror where it belongs.
To: jwgalt another smack talking punkass bitch. Sounds like a couple of the newbies here. This place is getting infested with them lately. 1 Posted 2004-08-26 15:52:04 by Twodees [ Reply | To 0 ]
Actually I believe from years of study of FreeRepublic and its derived forums (like LibertyPost, FreedomUnderground and this one) that the source of these "meltdowns" is a single such forum group, the "Anti-Kooking" squad that now calls itself ClownPosse. This particular forum (Anti-Kooking/ClownPosse) is known not only for its constant libel and slander of posters, mods and owners of FreeRepublic derived forums but several of its members have reputations as stalkers, hackers and crackers. In fact they were kicked of the Intenet several times by the free forum services they use to host their site (Delphi Forums, Yahoo Forums and Aimoo Free Community) for these kinds of activities. I believe that Anti-Kooking/ClownPosse generates these "meltdowns" for their own purposes (usually getting sick entertainment out of the result but sometimes to actually bring down a forum they particularly dissagree with because they tend to be a bunch of bots as well as crooks) by using their hacking and cracking techniques to monkey with forum accounts and the private mail system where there is one.
This was true of FU's pm's. Trust me. I don't know
ClownPosse from a dung beetle, but it's a fact that Ross has posted there.
Yep that was a constant theme as well.. from those who said they were the 'founding' members.. This makes no sense to me really.. for without growth a forum just like anything else stagnates.. new ideas other points of view is what makes a forum interesting and you learn from other's points of view.. And you know JT, I have NO regrets in leaving FU whatsoever.. I wanted FU to succeed.. I had no reason to want it to implode.. where on earth that idea came from I have no idea.. but it became a loony bin.. and when CAPPS was called a "butt f**king stormtrooper" by the owner, that was IMO unconscionable not to mention the other accusations which had absolutely no basis in fact.
Now tell me, why would anyone's sole purpose be to do such things?
Like that article I posted "Blogging for $$". Paid Shills, many of 'em. The rest are sheep. Grumble, I've been waiting all day for a reason to re-post this great .jpg.
For Petes sake lady, it's a stupid web site. you act like your mother just told you she wished you had never been born and hated you. Who gives a crap about what a bunch of keyboard commandos/losers think. Get some self respect.
Maybe you should put together a list of subjects that you consider appropriate and which we will be allowed to post on. Or should we just ask you if it's OK before we put it up?
I agree that it was Ross's attitude towards posters that got to me. He had
every right to speak up about religion, or any other topic, , though I question
why an avowed atheist/agnostic would want to get into the fray. I certainly
didn't ask for a banning, and was really upset when Bret went on his banning
tangent, only to rescind it later, and without apology.
telling me what to do again, huh, willywanker? three times you're out. bye.
Chrissie, as long as I've known you (3+ years), I've always found you to be a caring lady, who hungers for the truth. I've not found you 'bashing' jews, but wanting to get to the truth of zionism vs judaism, etc. I also know you were very distressed over what happened at FU...both as it relates to the malador incident, and with the big break when ross acted the ass, and bret went bonkers and said many things that were flat-out wrong and hurtful--to you and to others. I'm thankful you got 4um rolling. I don't want to post at a place where one never knows if a bullet is aimed at your head or back. And with the bozo feature, it is easy to walk away from assholes, rather than stir up the pot of crap with warring parties.
Good question.. made little sense really but as I said, I had nor do I have any objection to anyone's opinions or beliefs.. it was the attitude.. total disrespect for anyone and everyone that challenged or replied to him.. it was totally ridiculous and totally out of line.. again I'll repeat.. it was the attitude period.. and I said that to Bret repeatedly.. but he refused to hear it..
I musta missed a good one. I was wondering where everyone went. lmao
thanks, dee. i appreciate that.
telling me what to do again, huh, willywanker? three times you're out. bye. You should have let us toy with him a little bit first.
he was too cowardly to respond to my post to him from last night, i note, then sticks his nose into something that doesn't concern him--attacking me without any provocation on my part--most likely a clown. i chose to exercise my right to freedom of non-association.
I want this freaking sheep pic to replace that pretzel! Now! It is so much more telling, imo.
Isnt that a riot.. ?? Says it all..
Keep bringing that damn sheep until it replaces that horrid pretzel. Your servant. ;-)
No, put the sheep on the home page. We need a picture there anyway. The pretzel is becoming a tradition where it is. Here is another good anti-Bush logo:
I have got to shut it down lest Mrs.L boinks me in the head... Have a ball y'all.
Put a pretzel in the sheeple's mouth.
Good nite ..have a good tomorrow!
Reading through this thread--it all comes horrifically back to me--the recurring nightmares: Minding my own business, walking peacefully along when set upon and brutally and mercilessly attacked by a vicious penguin. Oh, God, how I now hate those critters.
Wacky, wacky days. Life on the net - never a dull person or moment.
You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. But you already knew that, didn't you, Jethro?
Immediately prior to Bret siccing his trained attack penguin on me, I asked who, specifically, had sought to have Downkaos banned--then next thing I know, I was being slapped upside the head. The question was never answered. I never (to my recollection) had any cross word or hassles with Ross/Downkaos. I certainly do well remember piping into the hassle between Malador and America First. Malador was full of crap on that deal. This whole episode, IMHO, comes basically down to this: either one supports the American-Israeli relationship or one doesn't. I don't and I'm here--not there.
Fred. I responded to Bret's post to me. So I think you have it ass backwards.
you have got to be kidding me. you have no understanding of what happened and jethro didn't start it, fred. he responded.
But you already knew that, didn't you, Jethro? This is an interesting reply.. considering the indignation over Todd and how wronged he was on LP.. I dont recall Goldi treating Todd in any manner whatsoever that could compare.. but then again when it's you or your friends it's all relative..
Well, no, not really Fred. What Bret did was stupid--but as I referred to above: it was ideologically driven. I was never mean or rude to anyone. Tell you what. I'll post an example of what got me penguined slapped at FU.
I didn't say that Jethro started anything. Please don't put words in my mouth. Thank you very much. I said what I said.
That's how it goes in Kentucky...I know you can relate to that.
What you said makes no sense considering Bret tossed the anti-Semite stone
through my window. He can take that tired old BS and peddle it to someone else.
Sorry, no sale.
You take the internet and comments WAY too seriously. BTW, what did you ever do with all that spam you hoarded for Y2K phenomena?
Do you hate Jews, Jethro? Would you murder a zionist if he stepped on your sidewalk?
(Digressing somewhat) I was reading that FU thread and came across a recurrent comment from the esteemed palo verde concerning her pet peeve de jure/ cause celeb: Sibel Edmonds. I reckon I shall go to my grave confounded on how an individual could be so riled up about Sibel Edmonds and, yet, remain such a staunch supporter of Bush, et. al. One of life's great mysteries. Oy.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe entire mess at FU had NOTHING to do with free speech..
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#9)
#11. To: Zipporah (#10)
ALL I said was that it was a distortion of scripture..period.. nothing more.. IMMEDIATELY I got attacked by 3 people on FU.
#12. To: All (#11)
To whit
#13. To: Zipporah, Christine, Diana, Neil McIver, All (#10)
#14. To: Coral Snake (#13)
and the private mail system where there is one.
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
Sounds like a couple of the newbies here. This place is getting infested with them lately.
#16. To: Coral Snake (#13)
#17. To: Zipporah, Coral Snake, Grumble Jones (#16)
#18. To: christine (#8)
#19. To: willyone (#18)
For Petes sake lady, it's a stupid web site. you act like your mother just told you she wished you had never been born and hated you. Who gives a crap about what a bunch of keyboard commandos/losers think. Get some self respect.
#20. To: Zipporah (#2)
#21. To: willyone (#18)
Get some self respect.
#22. To: christine (#8)
#23. To: rowdee (#20)
#24. To: christine (#21)
#25. To: rowdee (#22)
#26. To: christine (#21)
Get some self respect.
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#28. To: robin (#17)
#29. To: lodwick, robin (#28)
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#31. To: lodwick (#28)
#32. To: Zipporah (#29)
#33. To: crack monkey (#31)
#34. To: lodwick (#32)
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#36. To: wbales (#35)
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
#38. To: christine, robin, Diana (#35)
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#40. To: Fred Mertz (#37)
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#42. To: Fred Mertz (#37)
You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
#43. To: Fred Mertz (#37)
You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
#44. To: christine (#41)
you have no understanding of what happened and jethro didn't start it, fred.
#45. To: Zipporah (#42)
but then again when it's you or your friends it's all relative..
#46. To: Fred Mertz (#44)
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