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Title: Teen Girl Banned From School for Chastity Ring Heads to Court
Source: Fox/BBC
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,286395,00.html
Published: Jun 24, 2007
Author: Who knows
Post Date: 2007-06-24 02:29:32 by JCHarris
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Views: 601
Comments: 43

Teen Girl Banned From School for Chastity Ring Heads to Court

Saturday , June 23, 2007

A teenage girl who was banned by her school from wearing a "purity ring" is taking her case to the High Court.

Lydia Playfoot, 16, is a member of a Christian group called the Silver Ring Thing and one of a number of students at the Millais School in Horsham, West Sussex, who wears a silver ring engraved with a Biblical reference — "1 Thes 434," a reference to St. Paul's Letter to the Thessalonians — as a sign of their belief in abstinence from sex until marriage.

She claims that her secondary school is breaching her human rights by preventing her from wearing the ring, while allowing Muslim and Sikh students to wear headscarfs and religious bangles.

The school denies her claims, arguing that the purity ring is not an integral part of the Christian faith, and contravenes its uniform policy.

Playfoot will argue that her right to express her religious beliefs under Article Nine of the Human Rights Act has been breached by the ban.

"At my school Muslims are allowed to wear headscarves and other faiths can wear bangles and other types of jewellery and it feels like Christians are being discriminated against," Playfoot told BBC Radio 4’s Today program.

The Silver Ring Thing was set up in America in 1996 as a response to the escalating numbers of teen pregnancies in Yuma, Ariz. Teenagers pay a few dollars for a silver ring and a Bible, and pledge not to have sex before marriage. The movement arrived in Britain several years ago.

The U.K. branch of the Silver Ring Thing is based at the Kings Church in Horsham where Playfoot's father, Phil, is pastor. Her mother, Heather, is the company secretary of its business arm. It runs a training program called "The Silver Ring Thing 434."

Playfoot denied that wearing her silver chastity ring was a fad. "The idea is a bit American, but it's something I think is just really important. It's not just a fad sweeping across England, it is something unique, important to every single person," she told BBC Breakfast.

"It says that I’m not going to have sex until I’m married and I’m going to stay sexually pure until I’m married. In the Bible it says you should remain sexually pure and I think this is a way I want to express my faith.

"I think in the society we live in today with lots of pregnancies and STDs, something like this is quite important and should be taken hold of."

In a statement placed before the court, she said: “We are involved with SRT (Silver Ring Thing) as a movement to promote and educate young people on the issues of sexual purity."

Her father, Phil Playfoot, said that his daughter was pursuing the case, even though she was leaving the Millais school, because it embodied an important principle.

Rings had been worn by Christians for many hundreds of years and Lydia wore hers as a symbol of her commitment to her faith, he said. Many thousands of young people had made the same commitment.

He claimed that Christianity was under attack from the forces of secularism: "I think what is happening in our culture more generally is that what I would describe as secular fundamentalism is coming to the fore, which really wants to silence certain beliefs and Christian views in particular. I think an important principle is at stake here, I think Christians should be respected for their views and beliefs.

"As other faiths are allowed to express their views through the wearing of headscarfs or the Kara bracelet of a Sikh, I think Lydia should be able to wear a ring as an expression of her faith," he told the BBC.

Playfoot said that he had not put any pressure on his daughter to bring the court case. He claimed that his involvement with the Silver Ring Thing had happened after Lydia was banned from wearing the ring at school.

"Lydia is a free thinker, she is a young person in her own right," he told the BBC. "She’s not living out our beliefs or wishes, it’s something she wants to do for herself."

Stacey Wilkinson, administrator of the Silver Ring Thing U.K., said: "We are supporting Lydia but can't comment on the case itself.

"The Silver Ring Thing is mainly in youth groups. We are trying to get into schools but it's a lot harder because of the Christian background that the course includes. We don't talk about contraception at all because it's about abstinence. In some cases we are going against what the government has said, but we want to give people a second option.

"Some people take the course but don't make the pledge, but it's a good thing that they've heard the options. It gives them the option to say no."

It is not the first time students have faced school bans over Christian symbols. Earlier this year Samantha Devine, a 13-year-old Catholic schoolgirl, was told not to wear a crucifix on a chain because it breached health and safety rules at The Robert Napier School, a non-denominational mixed school in Gillingham, Kent.

The school said the only exception it would make to its uniform rule would be if the jewellery was an essential part of a particular religion, which they did not feel was the case for Miss Devine. She was free to wear a crucifix as a small lapel badge, but not on a chain, the school ruled.

In 2005, 16-year-old Sam Morris was excluded from Sinfin Community School in Derby for a day after refusing to remove her cross and chain to comply with the school’s jewellery ban.

In November Nadia Eweida lost her legal battle to wear a crucifix while working as an air stewardess, but publicity over the case forced British Airways to review its uniform policy and allow religious symbols to be worn, although only in the form of small lapel badges.

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#1. To: All (#0)

An example of the Jew Crew harassing in the schools.

" Will this hurt the West? "

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   2:30:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: JCHarris (#0)

The school denies her claims, arguing that the purity ring is not an integral part of the Christian faith, and contravenes its uniform policy.

Playfoot will argue that her right to express her religious beliefs under Article Nine of the Human Rights Act has been breached by the ban.

When will people learn that you cannot mix schools and state?

Privatize all schools and then they can make whatever policies they want. If students don't like them, they choose a different school.

That would end this legal nonsense.

Pinguinite.com

Pinguinite  posted on  2007-06-24   2:56:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite, christine, IndieTx (#2)

When will people learn that you cannot mix schools and state?

Privatize all schools and then they can make whatever policies they want. If students don't like them, they choose a different school.

That would end this legal nonsense.

That may be true but it BEGS the larger issue !!

Christians are openly and actively persecuted and denigrated in the public schools and the Jew-Muslim-Kwaanza-Black Culture-Illegal Alien Sob Sisters schtick

is all promoted and applauded openly !

Instead of running away from the almost illiterate school shills and your B of E you should attack them with a vengeance to stop this Jew-wrought " Will it hurt the West?" propaganda, harassment and cultural genocide pracyiced ON your kids !

Where is the OUTRAGE?

Where is ANYONE with BALLS?

Whining pussies scared of the disEducation Racket Jargon is all I ever see.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   3:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#2) (Edited)

When will people learn that you cannot mix schools and state?

Privatize all schools and then they can make whatever policies they want. If students don't like them, they choose a different school.

That would end this legal nonsense.

Not everyone can afford private schools, and any society has a legitimate interest in basic literacy. Literacy is a bare miniumum requirement for conducting business affairs in the real world. Without basic literacy, a poor child is pre-destined to be a poor adult.

The problem here is that people like you regularly conflate and smear local governance as big government. Local governance is government by the ordinary people, people that have no affiliation with a state or a central government. Not all governments are the same, despite your libertopian rhetoric.

The US constitution formally reognizes that the people, or local governments, possess all undelegated law-making power. This liberal concept is codified in the 10th amendment.

One of the peoples reserved law-making powers is the power to create, or not create, public schools. Public schools are the legal domain of local governments, not state or central governments.

Googolplex  posted on  2007-06-24   10:33:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Googolplex (#4)

Not everyone can afford private schools, and any society has a legitimate interest in basic literacy.

Today, private schools are generally always expensive only because public schooling dominates, and only the weathy can afford to both send their kids to private schools AND fund public schools through local taxes which everyone is obligated to do.

Lower and middle class cannot afford such double billing.

Obviously the funds for schooling does not grow on trees. All that funding comes from the working people, so if the working people can fund private schools through taxation, they can fund it directly also. Unless one feels extortion is the only way schooling can work.

When all are taxed to support public schooling, private schooling cannot compete and goes under, save those high end schools which the wealthy can support.

The problem here is that people like you regularly conflate and smear local governance as big government. Local governance is government by the ordinary people, people that have no affiliation with a state or a central government. Not all governments are the same, despite your libertopian rhetoric.

I'm for shutting down the fed dept of education, and I'm for eliminating any and all programs at every level of government that are not required to exist.

One of the peoples reserved law-making powers is the power to create, or not create, public schools. Public schools are the legal domain of local governments, not state or central governments.

Private schools are better as it avoids the inherent pandora's box of who has the right to teach children ethics and religious values. The right is the right of the parents, but in a state school, teaching religion is an offense of the first amendment, and then you get into issues of how to treat sexuality issues. And that's not even mentioning things like civics, where kids are to be tought about the who was right and wrong during the war between the states. You think the government should decide those kinds of things?

It is with these issues where public schools simply do not work.

BTW, here in Ecuador, private schools are much more prolific and suitable for the middle class.

Pinguinite.com

Pinguinite  posted on  2007-06-24   11:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: JCHarris (#3)

Christians are openly and actively persecuted and denigrated in the public schools and the Jew-Muslim-Kwaanza-Black Culture-Illegal Alien Sob Sisters schtick is all promoted and applauded openly !

Maybe so, but in creating public schools, we painted ourselves into a shooting gallery for them. Get rid of public schools and the christian schools will be safe from such attacks.

Pinguinite.com

Pinguinite  posted on  2007-06-24   11:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: JCHarris (#0)

public schools another tool for the Judeo-Communist agenda.

http://www.rense.com/general32/americ.htm

The case for separation of school and state

http://www.schoolandstate.org/case.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-06-24   11:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, richard9151, wudidiz, IndieTx, christine, Zipporah, Diana, farmfriend, Red Jones, wbales, robin (#7)

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]

1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.

A must read. You could read the same from the minutes of the Frankfurt School 1936

Thanks to AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   11:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: JCHarris (#8)

have you ever read the article Full Marx for Bush?.. very revealing

Zipporah  posted on  2007-06-24   11:54:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Zipporah (#9)

have you ever read the article Full Marx for Bush?.. very revealing

No. I will try to find it.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   11:56:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zipporah (#9)

Pardon my lengthy messages, e.g. above please.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   11:57:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: JCHarris (#10)

I shouldve given you the link

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/laughland1.html

Zipporah  posted on  2007-06-24   12:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#2)

Privatize all schools and then they can make whatever policies they want. If students don't like them, they choose a different school.

I agree with your fix.

and I am amazed that the school officials in this article are threatened by a ring on a girl's finger. and they try to dictate to her what proper symbols she should display according to her religious faith. but they allow muslims to wear head-scarfs.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Red Jones  posted on  2007-06-24   12:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: JCHarris, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, richard9151, wudidiz, IndieTx, christine, Zipporah, Diana, farmfriend, Red Jones, robin (#8)

The "Communist Goals" are always must read.

Upon reading that list, it is recognized that a great many have been realized --transpired into reality in American government, culture and society.

Accomplishing these goals would absolutly require a massive, orchestrated and powerful effort by entities possessive of the necessary resources, agenda, membership, collusion, and organization.

That, ladies and gentleman, flatly rules out the American Communist Party and leaves US with this: ADL/PNAC/AIPAC/ISRAEL/SPLC/MEMRI/AEI/NAACP/JINSA/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD.

Those are not Communist Goals for America.

They are Zionist Goals for America.

Ron Paul. President. Spread the Word.

wbales  posted on  2007-06-24   12:16:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: wbales (#14)

Those are not Communist Goals for America.

They are Zionist Goals for America.

Be careful here.

It is a two-headed coin. The two heads are also joined by the center...the Tribe itself.

Marx and Zionism seem contradictory but they are not in the greatest part.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   12:21:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: JCHarris (#8)

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

Type Jewish control of porn into any search engine. The last time I did I got about 586,000 hits.

Of course, then we get into the control of Hollywood as well.....

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-24   12:39:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: JCHarris, wbales (#15)

Those are not Communist Goals for America.

They are Zionist Goals for America.

"Zionism is Judaism, and Judaism is unthinkable without Zionism." (Harper's Encyclopedia of United States History, Vol. X, "Zionists").

"This regenerated and true Christianity must identify itself with Marxism and Communism." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Harry Waton, p. 124).

"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).

"The Communists are against religion (Christianity), and they seek to destroy religion; yet, when we look deeper into the nature of Communism, we see that it is essential nothing else than a religion (Judaism)." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Harry Waton, p. 138).

"The Jews welcome this revolution in the Christian world...It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, by Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 148).

wbales, my friend, if you need to see more quotes on this subject, from the Jews themselves, I have many, many more.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-24   12:47:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: richard9151 (#16)

Break down cultural standards of morality

Cultural deterioration is an insidious cancer that can and will destroy a nation, porn is an element of this. Porn appears rather innocuous but is harmful to the normal relationship between two people. It appears to me that it can become an addiction for men that causes them to lose interest or respect for their better half in many instances, especially if she doesn't act like the women that are in porn movies.

Porn is destructive, but is only one of the many ways our culture is being deconstructed.

"Sarah, if the people had ever known the truth about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched."

Bush 41 to reporter Sarah McClendon, June 1992

noone222  posted on  2007-06-24   12:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: noone222 (#18)

Porn is destructive, but is only one of the many ways our culture is being deconstructed.

Absolutely. And among other things, it teaches that it is good and acceptable to debase women. And I would expect that the majority of the women trapped in it have no economic alternative, thereofore, it is also a debasement of the poor.

But given all of that, is is only one of many ways that our culture is being destroyed. Sports and worship thereof, military and worship thereof, consumerism and worship thereof, and I suspect that many more can be added to this, none of which can be called Christian by any stretch of the imagination.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-24   13:27:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)

public schools another tool for the Judeo-Communist agenda.

Absolutely. Which is why home schooling is the only alternative for a Christian approach to child rearing and responsibility.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-24   13:29:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: richard9151 (#17)

"The Jews welcome this revolution in the Christian world...It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, by Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 148).

Naaah....let me carry the anti-semite wail from the BOTS here!

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   13:42:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Pinguinite (#5) (Edited)

Today, private schools are generally always expensive only because public schooling dominates, and only the weathy can afford to both send their kids to private schools AND fund public schools through local taxes which everyone is obligated to do.

Not true, parochial schools exist for poor people, and in the old days, were also supported by public funds, local and state public funds. Politically Correct, hegemonic psychos have fought to shut down local and state funding of local parochial schools, based on a compulsion of secular zionists to dominate and eliminate any competition to their PC (victim cult) morality, laws and concepts. The leaders of the American victim cult hate all morality that has been a traditional basis of local governance and organization, especially religious and ethnic based morality. Central government mandates have also served to make all schools more expensive, public and private, which hurts parochial schools serving poor people.

All taxation should be exclusively local. If taxation were exclusively local, then central government schooling mandates, money confiscation, and onerous tax policies that bribe/pay schools to implement the mandates, would be curtailed. Escalation of schooling costs would be curtailed too, as locales could tailor their schooling without worrying about costly mandates from busy-body secular zionists manipulating the central government power levers.

Ideally, state and central government funding should be procured exclusively as time-limited contracts with each local government. State and central governments exist to serve the people, aka local governments, not the other way around.

By recognizing that the people own all law-making power, local governments should be allowed to peaceably return to their traditional reliance on local laws that support the morality of the local majority, regardless of whether that morality is based on religious or ethnic principles. If local laws happen to include public (tax) support of parochial schools, then you should respect it as the people legitimately exercising their law-making power.

Googolplex  posted on  2007-06-24   13:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: All (#8)

Who was that other actor who incited others by singing throw the Jew down the well or something?

Diana  posted on  2007-06-24   18:42:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: JCHarris (#3)

Where is the OUTRAGE?

Outrage? Who gives a flying fukk if she wears a ring or not.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-06-24   19:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: richard9151 (#19)

it teaches that it is good and acceptable to debase women

porn is also degrading to men

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-06-24   19:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Googolplex (#22)

Not true, parochial schools exist for poor people,

Naw, don't go there. I went to a parochial school up to high school, and it took me a good 15 years to get rid of the indoctrination. Esp. the part about not needing to read the Bible, cause it is all in the catechism. AND, that part was told directly to me by Father Werner, when I brough a brand shiny new Bible to class that my mother had bought for me, and he asked why I thought I needed that and etc.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-24   19:30:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: angle (#25)

porn is also degrading to men

That is an excellent point, and I shall not forget it next time. I posted the one about Sex Slavery and the Chosen yesterday, and in reading that, your point really comes home!

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-24   19:31:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Diana (#23) (Edited)

Who was that other actor who incited others by singing throw the Jew down the well or something?

Borat, or Sacha Baron Cohen, is a jewish clown that makes fun of non-jewish prejudices.

Meanwhile, Cohen the Clown supports jewish supremacism in Israel...yes he's a zionist...big surprise...not.

You know the old jewish double standard....PC laws are for thee (gentile), but not for me (Israel)?

Googolplex  posted on  2007-06-24   19:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: richard9151 (#26)

Parochial schools can be based on any religion or ethnic culture of the peoples choice.

Just because you don't like what you learned at a roman catholic school shouldn't reflect badly on other religious or ethnic schools. Blame your parents if you are unhappy, not the school system.

Publicly funded schools are for poor people anyway, people who can't afford a private school.

Which would you prefer for your kids, a modern public school or one based on your value system?

Googolplex  posted on  2007-06-24   19:45:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Diana (#23)

Who was that other actor who incited others by singing throw the Jew down the well or something?

That was unfunny comedian Sacha Baron.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-06-24   19:45:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Googolplex (#29)

Just because you don't like what you learned at a roman catholic school

Just because you don't like what you learned were indoctrinated with at a roman catholic school

The learning was behind the curve as well, esp. as regards children who did not attend schools, per se.

Which would you prefer for your kids, a modern public school or one based on your value system?

Obviously, one based on my vaule system. In that I agree, as long as it is not perverted to the aims of some organization like the roman church.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/black-nobility.htm

And I have dozens more sites and memos if you is interested.

The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.

richard9151  posted on  2007-06-24   19:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: angle (#24)

Outrage? Who gives a flying fukk if she wears a ring or not.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle

Are you REALLY that stupid or do you just try to seem so ?

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   20:09:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: HOUNDDAWG (#30)

The ten seconds I watch that thing I want to puke....El Pee calls him a genius....naturally.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   20:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: JCHarris (#33)

The ten seconds I watch that thing I want to puke....El Pee calls him a genius....naturally.

Too obnoxious for me.

Off the scale.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-06-24   20:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222 (#18)

Cultural deterioration is an insidious cancer that can and will destroy a nation, porn is an element of this. Porn appears rather innocuous but is harmful to the normal relationship between two people. It appears to me that it can become an addiction for men that causes them to lose interest or respect for their better half in many instances, especially if she doesn't act like the women that are in porn movies.

Well said, you nailed it.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-24   20:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: angle (#25)

porn is also degrading to men

and turns them into rage-ridden freaks.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-24   20:46:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Diana (#36)

Do you think she'd get away with wearing a chastity belt instead of this ring on her finger?

Fred Mertz  posted on  2007-06-24   20:55:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: richard9151, Googolplex (#31)

To: Googolplex

Just because you don't like what you learned at a roman catholic school

Just because you don't like what you learned were indoctrinated with at a roman catholic school

The learning was behind the curve as well, esp. as regards children who did not attend schools, per se.

Which would you prefer for your kids, a modern public school or one based on your value system?

Can't speak for everyone, but of the 2000 odd students I have taught, those I have known to come from a good catholic private school were at least two and usually three years ahead of their same IQ public school peers in all academic areas.

Home school and private non-Catholic also are better prepared than the public schools in my experience. Hold on to your hats....but Liberty University produces some outstanding students as well who go on to nice Ph.D. post-docs.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   21:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Fred Mertz (#37)

What do YOU think, Fred?

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-24   21:12:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: JCHarris (#39)

She might have some trouble in gym class and the locker room showers.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2007-06-24   22:38:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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