Workers demanding justice from Pulte Homes' construction subcontractors
immigrants from Mexico & central America (many illegal) dominate the work-for these sub-contractors builidng homes in Phoenix area. and they are well-paid. almost all get over $10/hour. Many get up to $20/hour. so I don't know what they're complaining about. the spanish language is absolutely dominant on those crews. the few Americans learn spanish. there is much persecution against the Americans in this work-force as a result of these things. and still they complain.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
If you notice, the post on You Tube was by someone from the AFL CIO.. they're trying to get these illegals to unionize.. the AFL CIO is one of the groups that is pro amnestiy and for illegals right to work in this country.. they've sold out their own members..
I've noticed here in Phoenix that these Mexicans doing so much work in construction trades are nothing special. They don't do anything better than the white Americans who used to do it and still do it. They don't even do as well IMHO. and I've noticed that they like labor unions and union mentality a lot. Once they get a job they expect to never lose it to never have to compete, that it is their birth-right, and they expect regular pay increases. They try to create work-rules that are union-esque. and some of them are quite racist towards the whites. they are very discriminating against whites in their hiring practices.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Its that "sense of entitlement" coming back to bite.
Most ethnic groups are quite racist toward anyone else. Its human nature - "multiculturalism" is an aberration which goes against basic human nature. People prefer their own. That's just "how it is" and how it always has been.
Classic 'tolerance' meant just not shooting your neighbor because he was different. It did not mean you had to accept what he did as being valid, equal, or even acceptable. It just meant you put up with it.
Latin culture and Asian culture is about as stratified as you get along color and ethnic lines. Its how the cultures are and nothing is going to change it so long as "multiculturalism" means that overseas ingrained cultural racism is required to be tolerated.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
People trespassing on private property refuse to leave.
Ummm. Interesting. Workers trespassing. How does that work? Curious, you know.
And if you note the man who said the words I quoted, he is stated to have worked on hundreds of homes, so I doubt that he is illegal. And if he is, there are existing laws about that, as I recall, which include fines, if applicable, and deportation PLUS, if they are enforced, fines for the company hiring him.
I also have a nephew (my wife's) working house construction in Arizona. Been there 10 years, married to a Latino from the states, completely legal and been that way for many years. So, this ain't all about illegals, thank you.
It seems to me that the issues go beyond what everyone here is stating, and, PROBABLY revolve around Pulte wanting to use more (cheaper) illegals now because of slumping home sales.
Of course, everyone probably better get used to THAT.
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Most ethnic groups are quite racist toward anyone else. Its human nature - "multiculturalism" is an aberration which goes against basic human nature. People prefer their own. That's just "how it is" and how it always has been.
Excellent point. Refers to me here as well. There are more than a few Mèxicans who resent Gringos living in Mèxico every bit as much as you'all resent the illegals up there.
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It seems to me that the issues go beyond what everyone here is stating, and, PROBABLY revolve around Pulte wanting to use more (cheaper) illegals now because of slumping home sales.
Of course, everyone probably better get used to THAT.
The companies that hired illegals in mass caused other employers to hire them cause they couldnt compete of course it's self destructive for as more and more illegals and H1B visa holders come more and more Americans lose work.. most of those H1B visa holders and illegals send most of their money home.. and most never buy homes they rent .. so the home builders soon wont have anyone to buy their homes..
Probably. Currently, electricians command pretty good wages and, like the medical industry (and to some extent now the tech industry and management nowadays) they do their own certifications within their industry. Its a lot like one of the old medieval trade guilds.
Its something anyone can learn to do with a little study and a little work. Introducing a few million freelancers will destroy what these guys have created over the years.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Its something anyone can learn to do with a little study and a little work. Introducing a few million freelancers will destroy what these guys have created over the years.
.. its interesting Ive spoken to many people who when I say something about illegals . Im asked ..how do you know they're illegal? People are dumber than a box of rocks.
Ummm. Interesting. Workers trespassing. How does that work? Curious, you know.
The workers are not the owners of the property. If they're launching a protest, the owner has the absolute right to tell them to get lost or restrict their access to the job site. The employer also has the right to issue worksite rules detailing what employees can and cannot do on the worksite.
Its pretty cut-and-dried.
You'll note I'm not even bothering to address the immigration status of the workers; this is simply a property rights issue coupled with the employer's authority to regulate the activities of the employees.
A protest on a construction site is easily deemed "unsafe" and 'protesting' employees may be ejected for simple safety concerns.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Some are - some aren't. A lot of people who were either "pro-illegal" or didn't care or were of the "awww, the poor people" were converted with the mass demonstrations a couple of years ago.
The use of the Mexican Flag on US Soil has really pissed off a lot of people. Those people then go forth and convert their friends and family and it spreads like a cancer. Down in the Bay Area, the Chinese community, who used to be all for open borders are now coming down against open borders. They saw the rabble and saw themselves threatened. A good friend of mine went from "give it all away" to sending money to the Minutemen. That's a 180-degree turn.
As time goes on more and more people will wake up. The die-hards are a lost cause as ever, but thinking people are beginning to wake up and understand.
Its starting to turn into a repeat of the 1920s when immigration was restricted. People watched their wages drop, discovered the economic laws of supply and demand - and acted accordingly.
It'll happen again. Last time it took 30 years from the founding of the "close off the raging river" groups to the restrictions coming into law. We're coming up on 30 years again now from the founding of FAIR -- and restrictionism is becoming the new 'in' thing. Its just a matter of time now if history is any guide.
No worries here. It ought to play out just like it has before. The US brings in a bunch of people - then slams the borders shut - then opens them up again some time after it digests its meal and the cycle plays on.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Excellent point. Refers to me here as well. There are more than a few Mèxicans who resent Gringos living in Mèxico every bit as much as you'all resent the illegals up there.
Except that you are there totally legally, and are married to a citizen. You speak the language and are not out demonstrating for any special privileges, or taking jobs that undercut the local wages, or raping or killing, or driving without insurance in a pos sled loaded with twenty passengers - what's their beef?
Alright. I'll buy that. I still like the quote though! I'm still laughing about it.
This wasn't what we meant when we ask for drinking water on the job site."
And I am thinking back to the post on 4um the other day where it was explained how a law firm had produced a video on how to hire green card workers, while refusing to hire Americans for the same work. Americans who they would have to pay more too.
And in what I am seeing, and after all of the adds I have seen down here about LOTTERY FOR 50,000 GREEN CARDS THIS MONTH!, I still think that what this is about is Pulte looking to cut costs by bringing in more illegal and/or green card workers at lower pay.
Just as the immigration action currently in the Senate is all about the same thing;
see the post in the immigration thread: Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
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mirage had the correct answer. It is human nature and it ain't gonna change!
Most ethnic groups are quite racist toward anyone else. Its human nature - "multiculturalism" is an aberration which goes against basic human nature. People prefer their own. That's just "how it is" and how it always has been.
Sometimes it just comes down to needing to bitch about something!
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see the post in the immigration thread: Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
Oh I know all about that. Its just one of the cycles the US goes through.
It generally goes like this, historically: Large Wave of Immigration -> Resentment + Economic downturn -> Restrictions -> Time Passes -> Open Borders again -> Wash, rinse, repeat.
We're at the "Resentment + Downturn" phase of it right now. This same thing was played out in the 1920s after the "Great Wave" - and before that, in the 1800s.
Today is no different. It will end up playing out the same way as it has in the past.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Oh I know all about that. Its just one of the cycles the US goes through.
Nope, not this time, me thinks. See also;
Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States
THE UNITED STATES POPULATION IN TRANSITION
Then, we have these;
veteran, hardcore Marxists organized the May 1st immigration protests and boycotts.
Dialectics, or, how to destroy America
Dialectics and Marxism
And after you read the one about veteren, hardcore Marxists, try this quote;
"Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." Henry Kissinger
I think that Zionist-Marxist such as Kissinger know exactly what is going on and where America is headed.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Similar groups of people have been around for each cycle.
The key to remember is that things are cyclical and trend toward that.
When the cycle breaks is when revolutions occur. I don't think this one will go quite that far, but I do think that it will follow past cycles. This one may lead to actual violence as it has in the past, but I don't think it will quite go to revolution levels.
Large Forces were arrayed in the past and eventually the masses forced the appropriate changes to make the cycle go. I do not think that the Marxists will prevail. They'll be exposed long before then and brought to heel - violence may also be a part, as it has been in the past - thus correcting the imbalances.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
On October 3, 2001, I.A.P. News reported that according to Israel Radio (in Hebrew) Kol Yisrael an acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign Minister Shimon Peres. Peres warned Sharon that refusing to heed incessant American requests for a cease-fire with the Palestinians would endanger Israeli interests and "turn the US against us. Sharon reportedly yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we the Jewish people control America."
"The Israelis control the policy in the congress and the senate." -- Senator Fullbright, Chair of Senate Foreign Relations Committee: 10/07/1973 on CBS' "Face the Nation".
"Some call it Marxism I call it Judaism." (The American Bulletin, Rabbi S. Wise, May 5, 1935).
"The Communists are against religion (Christianity), and they seek to destroy religion; yet, when we look deeper into the nature of Communism, we see that it is essential nothing else than a religion (Judaism)." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, Harry Waton, p. 138).
"The Jews welcome this revolution in the Christian world...It is not an accident that Judaism gave birth to Marxism, and it is not an accident that the Jews readily took up Marxism: all this was in perfect accord with the progress of Judaism and the Jews." (A Program for the Jews and Humanity, by Rabbi Harry Waton, p. 148).
"It was only after World War II that immigration law was drastically changed...In one of the first pieces of evidence of its political coming of age, the Jewish community had a leadership role in effecting those changes." (Earl Raab, Jewish Bulletin, July 23, 1993, p. 17)
The 'abolition of racial exclusiveness,' which has (also) been official U.S. Government policy since 1945, was, quite simply, the Jewish Marxist goal of planned genocide of the White Race, because the White Race remained the only possible opposition to the total domination of the world by international Jewish Marxism. No African or Asiatic nation has ever mounted a successful counter-revolution against a Communist regime, nor have they ever desired to. (Cincinnatus, Foreword, War! War! War!)
So in what you are saying, you are aware of these specific things, right? And this is why the quote from Kissinger is so telling.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
So in what you are saying, you are aware of these specific things, right?
Yes, and I don't see it as derailing the cycle. If anything, the push against 'religion' will cause a revival as it did in the 1800s when the Campbellites, Southern Baptists, Mormons, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, et al were formed.
Its axiomatic in the US. The more one pushes, the more resistance one eventually finds until there is a backlash. Thus, Preacher's Kids and Police Officers' Kids are usually the worst of the lot.
As an aside, Marxism only succeeds when the vast majority of people have reached a state of "We have nothing more to lose/Never had anything to begin with."
It is far too early for that to arrive in the US. An attempt to strike *now* would be met with resistance. In 20-30 years, the time might be right, but today is simply too early.
Critical Mass in the US simply has not been reached as of yet.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Its axiomatic in the US. The more one pushes, the more resistance one eventually finds until there is a backlash. Thus, Preacher's Kids and Police Officers' Kids are usually the worst of the lot.
Excellent points, I will agree, and well articulated.
And if it were not for what is going on in Washington, DC, and the Decider, I would be more inclined to agree with you.
I admit to having doubts, however, about the timing, giving the increased pressure from foreign sources, lack of food production in America, increased levels of debt, and falling standard of living. Too many things going on for there not to be some source of smoke somewhere. And, there is no question as to the ability of the Federal Reserve, a Zionist organization if there ever was one, to completely shut the states down in a manner of days if THEY decide it should be done.
And, when you couple that with the extreme levels of illness in the soldiers that have served overseas, with estimates saying that as many as half of them may be seriously to terminally ill, well, you COULD get the idea that the intent behind much of this is the destruction of Americas ability to defend itself, as well as preventing most Americans from being able to feed themselves without government intervention.
Personally, I hope you are right. But I am still moving forward with plans to be able to produce a majority of my own food within the next two years.
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This is going to be one where we're viewing things at variance with each other.
I don't see the Fed or the Decider destroying things because they would obliterate a good chunk of their own assets as well.
IMO, their own greed will prevent them from doing so and will instead cause them to keep things going.
Good on you for self-sufficiency. My plans are along the same lines; I put together a "survive anything for a year" kit some time ago. Next up is some nice forest land out in the boonies that will double as an "I'm tired of people" retreat.
The cities are easily controlled. The countryside, where most 'fun' things end up taking place, is not so easily controlled.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
I don't see the Fed or the Decider destroying things because they would obliterate a good chunk of their own assets as well.
IMO, their own greed will prevent them from doing so and will instead cause them to keep things going.
You are correct; we are at variance in this. The rest we are pretty close on, I suspect.
I think that those in charge have a different agenda than what we can always see. After all, even for them, enough is enough, and they have so much, what are a few more billions here or there?
Personally, I believe them when they say they are going to reduce the population of the world to less than 2 billion, and as you watch them destroy agriculture in nation after nation (Mèxico, as well as the US, is now a net importer of food), like in India now, well, the following spells it out for me;
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective - a new world order - can emerge.... We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders." - September 11, 1990 televised address: President George H. W. Bush -
"[The Gulf Crisis] has to do with a new world order. And that new world order is only going to be enhanced if, this newly activated peace-keeping function of the United Nations proves to be effective." - January 9, 1991 Press Conference President George H. W. Bush
And that action, the New World Order, is strictly a religious idea, and that precludes sensible decisions, as any student of history well understands.
The Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Workers demanding justice from Pulte Homes' construction subcontractors were shocked when the well-know homebuilder began directing its water truck drivers to repeatedly douse workers with high-pressure water.
Hmmm. I'll bet they're starting to figure out why unions were invented.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
You are correct; we are at variance in this. The rest we are pretty close on, I suspect.
Methinks we both see similar endings; yours goes a bit further than mine and we disagree on whether there really is a cabal in the background pulling strings or not. I see the world as being more disjointed than you do, coming together on occasion, but tearing apart as greed gets into the mix.
For food production, that simply happens when population grows out of control. Malthus gave us the warning a couple of hundred years ago, but nobody listened because technology and the opening of new lands has kept his curse at bay.
In the US, we're turning farmland into suburbs and housing for the population. One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to add two+two together on this one. Mexico similarly was losing land to housing as its population grew. Its a worldwide thing. Ditto in Africa and India and China. Europe fought to keep its farmland for farming but they have seen development as well.
The kick will be when fertilizers are problematic to create. Currently, the feedstock is natural gas, which has peaked in North America. Unless technology permits us to replace NatGas with synthetic methane, I don't know of a more efficient reaction to create ammonia for fertilizers. That'll take care of your population reduction.
So, we see things similarly, but I just don't see the cabal behind the scenes. I see other things that come to similar results.
Likewise, there has not been a person or group 'in power' who ever relinquished wealth or power voluntarily. Even the Roman Emperors knew the power of The Mob and feared it - thus, they used it skillfully. I just can't see our 'royalty' permitting themselves to be cut down to size willingly. It just doesn't happen.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.