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Title: Some Words of Caution
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Freedom4um
URL Source: http://4um
Published: Jun 27, 2007
Author: Diana, SKYDRIFTER, Aristeides
Post Date: 2007-06-27 08:05:56 by Diana
Keywords: None
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I ran across an old thread from here, and saw these two posts, one from SKYDRIFTER, the other from aristeides. Here is what SKYDRIFTER had to say: "Certainly I have my own view on this topic, but I'd have to advise anyone who wants to get into unadulterated "Jew hating," that such is the one thing which would bring down a lot of shit on this forum and its members. In other words, sometimes it's smart to be afraid of something. I personally don't hold back on insulting a lot of the alphabet agencies, but the ADL is really dangerous to screw with. Few people have any clue as to what reality is composed of. The Jewish community has been so damned effective at inflicting "holocaust guilt" on those who rescues their ass that we pay radically more in "Foreign Aid" to Israel, than did the remains of Nazi Germany. The Jewish community is that smart and that powerful. Yet America continues to fund a parasitic nation, oblivious to the fact that they have never contributed anything worthwhile to the USA. For all the benefit, Israel has never offered a platoon of coffee-serving Boy Scouts to the Iraq war. They will be free of the War Crime guilt, as America is later taxed to fund the reparations to Israeli controlled Iraq. That's what we're approaching. Attacking Israel ("The Jewish State of Israel") is one thing; being purely and blindly racist is another. That can bring down more problems than most are prepared to deal with. Y'all be careful, now, hear?" To: SKYDRIFTER "Some people may want to see this forum discredited, and post accordingly." Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums. Such people are very clever and relentless in their mission, just please be careful, and don't get distracted from the big picture.
Here is what aristeides had to say:
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#1. To: SKYDRIFTER, aristeides (#0)
I figured I should ping you guys since I used your words of wisdom.
It is easy to advocate fear and the loss of free speech. Some run , some hide, some fight.
I'd nearly forgotten that one. Still good advice. Thanks.
It's about accuracy and prudence not fear. I agree with what Diana, aristeides and SKY have posted on 4um about this subject. It is inaccurate to attribute all the evil of a fringe element to everyone associated with that group. It is wise and prudent to choose accurate words. A worthy goal, can't say I always qualify, everyone gets angry and needs to vent. Considering the motives of people who are continually careless with their choice of words and who appear to be inciting others is reasonable given what we know about past Psyops tactics.
I still smell the FEAR !! (-: Land of the Free and Home of the Brave OOZING FEAR.
Maybe you just need to wash your face ;P
No, not fear, just that people need to be rational and discerning and should not only focus on one element of a problem that could bring down a lot of trouble on a lot of people. What robin said here was correct: "Considering the motives of people who are continually careless with their choice of words and who appear to be inciting others is reasonable given what we know about past Psyops tactics." we must all keep that in mind.
Name just one noble thing that Israel has ever done.
Chuck Colson said that?
thanks, Diana, good advice...i did see aristeides' post (and remember the thread on which he posted it well) but had missed Sky's.
Yep - Chuck's seen the light.
I guess he has...unlike Pat Robertson.
Screw 'em. Besides, y'all know you have me as point guard/nosetackle.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
redrum
right. no worries then. ;)
Is nosetackle an antisemitic term?
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
I fear nothing, what's your problem? :)
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
Hmm not even this? :P
No, I can see the red elastic neckband, sorry.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
.. drat :P
Every night I look under the bed and in the closet for sock puppets. I really, really am scared of them.
Freeper motto: I read, but do not understand, I write, but make no sense, I think, but nothing happens.
My cat made me loath dust bunnies, she just kept yowling until I cleaned to her satisfaction. Damn, cats are dumb.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
Wirklich? and who are the school marms here practicing their own brands of control? To each his own....and the devil take the hindmost.
Guttermouth - 1,2,3 Slam "A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
Haven't gotten to know me yet have you? Thank you.
I was trying to explain benefits of using domestic cats on a cleaning crew rather than importing panthers or something.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
Oh, yeah. I forgot. Panthers have their benefits, though. They can do more, much quicker.
Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums. Such people are very clever and relentless in their mission, just please be careful, and don't get distracted from the big picture. Absolutely valid point. That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach. One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor. The same model could well be put into play here to reduce the credibility of people on this forum.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
ME Noseguard. Kill Quarterback!
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
I know there are a lot of people who hate this forum, and say all posters here are virulent antisemites, as if each one of us has identical views which is far from accurate, we are all individuals with all sorts of opinions. I suspect the ones who go on the loudest about the bad Jews repeatedly, the ones who are just too over-the-top to be for real, are in fact radical Jewish disinfo artists out to rile up posters using mob psychology techniques thereby discrediting the forums. Then they can go back to their bosses and say mission accomplished. I can't stand people who pretend to be one thing when in fact they are another. I hate trickery and deception.
I have resisted becoming one of these "virulent anti-semites" for a very long time, however, if the true meaning of anti-semite is actually anti-zionist and with the historical facts being what they are ... I must admit that I most certainly do loathe them with an undeniable, immeasurable fervor.
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
"By way of deception thou shalt do war." - Motto of the Mossad I nevertheless agree, and unfortunately that has become the M.O. of more than one group on web forums i.e., Disinformation/PsyOps. There is a world of difference between observing, noting, and commenting on Zionist/Israeli criminality and deceptions versus a generalized irrational hatred of jews as a people and a culture. However, in order to discredit legitimate criticism of the actions of zionist criminals it has become the practice by zionist supporters on web forums to attempt to brand all criticism of Israel and Zionism as hatred of Jews which is a lie. Anti-Semitism, the hatred of Jews as Jews, is nothing more than xenophobia and despite the wails of "Oy Vey" is not limited to Jews. Irrational hatreds, unfortunately, abound in human cultures. Just criticism is the observation of delplorable acts and rightly naming them. The other apparent tactic, as you noted, is to have an Israeli/Zionist supporter misrepresent themselves as an anti-semite and to post "over the top" hate filled screeds to color and deligitimize all legitimate criticism as the irrational ramblings of a hate filled mind. As well it has been the practice of Zionists to incite anti-semitism in order to make the world seem threatening and against them to all jews - thus making them more easily herded and controlled. As has been noted, and sourced elsewhere, Zionism has to no small degree attempted to create anti-semitism in order to drive Jews to move to their shitty little country. This has been documented by Jews of good heart and moral sensibility - Naem Giladi, Jack Bernstein (who was likely assassinated by Mossad), Alfred Lillienthal, Norman Finklestein, Lenni Brenner, and others. One of the greatest betrayals of WWII was that of German Jews by German Zionists and the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto could have been prevented. Their escape was vetoed not by the NAZI criminals but by Jewish Zionists who refused to pay the bribes needed to get them out - because of the condition that they be relocated somewhere other than the Rothschild created Israel. (The Warsaw betrayal is well documented by first hand accounts of survivors.) To observe and note criminal actions, and to publicly deplore them, is the action of a rational mind observing reality and excercising rational ethical sensibilities. It is up to the intelligent and sophisticated reader to draw conclusions for themselves.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
very well said.
hmmmmm
One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor. The same model could well be put into play here to reduce the credibility of people on this forum. I agree.
ping to post #30.
LIberty Forums problems had more to do with constant infighting and power struggle over control of the forum. You already know who I think was responsible for that.
Great post. I've noticed a trend these past few years where too many people are bashing all Jews, not just the radicals and rabid zionists. They are lumping in everyone who may be Jewish, no matter what their beliefs, and they miss the fact that there are many Jews who feel exactly the same way we do, who are against the war, who are against the policies of Israel and so on. In Israel there are so many clashes between Jews with widely varying beliefs who hate each other, we don't hear much about that over here, it's just too easy to lump them all together and say they are all evil, including the little old Jewish ladies who feed birds in the park. Those who hate them all are mindless anger-filled individuals who just need some group to focus their instense rage on. What really bugs me is when the radical Jew posers/trickster come onto forums and target such people using devious psychological methods, manipulating them by inciting more anger and whipping them into a frenzy. That is so dishonest and it further poisons the souls of the people they are targeting. Then those trouble-makers go elsewhere and bash the forum they have wrecked havoc upon, saying shit like see what a bunch of low-life idiots the people at that forum are? Some people already say that about this one, and there have already been several attempts in the past by hit and run posters to incite the more angry ones among us, and to piss off the more intelligent ones into leaving, obviously targeting them, just coming out of nowhere to bully them and insult them until they leave altogether. There was one guy who was very successful at that, he went after the brightest posters here, just repeatedly insulted them until most left, though a few have returned. It's too bad there's not a way to prevent such tricksters and frauds from showing up here in the first place.
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#2. To: Diana (#1)
#3. To: Diana (#1)
#4. To: JCHarris, wbales, Diana (#2)
Ron Paul for President
#5. To: robin (#4)
#6. To: JCHarris (#5)
Ron Paul for President
#7. To: JCHarris, robin, All (#5)
I still smell the FEAR !! (-:
#8. To: Diana. everyone here (#0)
Chuck Colson said it best -
#9. To: lodwick (#8)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#10. To: Diana (#0)
Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums.
#11. To: who knows what evil (#9)
#12. To: lodwick (#11)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#13. To: Diana, christine, Zipporah, robin, Jethro Tull (#0)
there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums.
#14. To: Dakmar (#13)
#15. To: Dakmar (#13)
#16. To: christine (#15)
#17. To: JCHarris (#5)
Land of the Free and Home of the Brave OOZING FEAR.
#18. To: Dakmar (#17)
I fear nothing, what's your problem? :)
#19. To: Zipporah (#18)
#20. To: Dakmar (#19)
#21. To: Dakmar (#17)
I fear nothing,
#22. To: YertleTurtle (#21)
#23. To: Diana (#7)
we must all keep that in mind.
#24. To: JCHarris, Zipporah, *Music Club* (#23)
#25. To: Dakmar (#17)
I fear nothing, what's your problem?
#26. To: Diana, JCHarris, original_intent, lodwick (#0)
#27. To: farmfriend. anyone here (#26)
What is this thread about?
#28. To: lodwick (#27)
#29. To: Dakmar (#28)
I was trying to explain benefits of using domestic cats on a cleaning crew rather than importing panthers or something.
#30. To: Diana (#1)
"Some people may want to see this forum discredited, and post accordingly."
#31. To: Dakmar (#13)
Screw 'em. Besides, y'all know you have me as point guard/nosetackle.
#32. To: Original_Intent (#30)
That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach.
#33. To: Diana (#32)
I know there are a lot of people who hate this forum, and say all posters here are virulent antisemites
#34. To: Diana, christine, farmfriend, HOUNDDAWG, IndieTX, Zipporah, all (#32)
(Edited)
I can't stand people who pretend to be one thing when in fact they are another. I hate trickery and deception.
#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)
#36. To: Original_Intent, Zipporah, HOUNDDAWG, robin, Jethro Tull (#30)
One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor.
#37. To: Original_Intent, aristeides (#30)
Absolutely valid point. That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach.
Ron Paul for President
#38. To: Original_Intent, who knows what evil (#30)
Ron Paul for President
#39. To: Original_Intent, robin (#30)
That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited
#40. To: Original_Intent, christine, robin, All (#34)
To observe and note criminal actions, and to publicly deplore them, is the action of a rational mind observing reality and excercising rational ethical sensibilities. It is up to the intelligent and sophisticated reader to draw conclusions for themselves.
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