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Title: Some Words of Caution
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Published: Jun 27, 2007
Author: Diana, SKYDRIFTER, Aristeides
Post Date: 2007-06-27 08:05:56 by Diana
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I ran across an old thread from here, and saw these two posts, one from SKYDRIFTER, the other from aristeides. Here is what SKYDRIFTER had to say: "Certainly I have my own view on this topic, but I'd have to advise anyone who wants to get into unadulterated "Jew hating," that such is the one thing which would bring down a lot of shit on this forum and its members. In other words, sometimes it's smart to be afraid of something. I personally don't hold back on insulting a lot of the alphabet agencies, but the ADL is really dangerous to screw with. Few people have any clue as to what reality is composed of. The Jewish community has been so damned effective at inflicting "holocaust guilt" on those who rescues their ass that we pay radically more in "Foreign Aid" to Israel, than did the remains of Nazi Germany. The Jewish community is that smart and that powerful. Yet America continues to fund a parasitic nation, oblivious to the fact that they have never contributed anything worthwhile to the USA. For all the benefit, Israel has never offered a platoon of coffee-serving Boy Scouts to the Iraq war. They will be free of the War Crime guilt, as America is later taxed to fund the reparations to Israeli controlled Iraq. That's what we're approaching. Attacking Israel ("The Jewish State of Israel") is one thing; being purely and blindly racist is another. That can bring down more problems than most are prepared to deal with. Y'all be careful, now, hear?" To: SKYDRIFTER "Some people may want to see this forum discredited, and post accordingly." Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums. Such people are very clever and relentless in their mission, just please be careful, and don't get distracted from the big picture.
Here is what aristeides had to say:
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#102. To: lodwick (#99)
Chuck Colson is a christian zionist he supported the Iraq war on the bases of the so called "just war" theory which is used to justify protection of the zionists in Israel...many of todays leading southern baptists preach from the "scoefield bible"...aka rapture monkeys
Chuck Colson's name sounds a lot like one of your recent guests ... but they're not the same guy. Chuck Colson was a Nixon era Watergate bungler and is as you say ... a rapture monkey !
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
His later life has been spent working with his non-profit organization devoted to prison ministry called Prison Fellowship. Colson is also a public speaker and author. He is founder and chairman of the Wilberforce Forum, which is the "Christian worldview thinking, teaching, and advocacy arm of" Prison Fellowship, and includes Colson's daily radio broadcast, BreakPoint, now heard on a thousand outlets. The ministry conducts justice reform efforts through Justice Fellowship.[1] Colson has received fifteen honorary doctorates and in 1993 was awarded the Templeton Prize, the world's largest cash gift (over $1 million), which is given each year to the one person in the world who has done the most to advance the cause of religion. He donated this prize, as he does all speaking fees and royalties, to further the work of Prison Fellowship. Looks like the same guy. I don't know about his rapture beliefs.
Most people who follow the just war theory (which derives from St. Augustine and has been used by Christians to judge the morality of wars for centuries) have concluded that Bush's Iraq war is unjust.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
The guy on Rob Noel's show is named Chuck Carlson ... I think ! I was confused about it because the guy on Rob's show thinks a lot like I do, scripturally speaking ... and I may be nuttier than a fruit cake ... but I ain't no rapture nutter !
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
I don't think that there are many, if any, RM's here, and looking at Colson's websites, I can't find out (yet) what is his take. He's certainly changed from Nixon's "Hatchet Man," to what he's doing today. Most impressive.
The guy that was Nixonian filth has a prison ministry (allegedly) and he's probably recruiting killers for the NWO ! Again, not the same guy that has been a guest on Rob Noel's Show !
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Charles Colson has become a regular guest for the past few weeks he hosted my show last Wednesday 20th and Thursday 21st...if you interested you can listen to it on podcast http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/get_archive.php?hn=Noel&yr=07
I've heard him on your show and other archived stuff (I think, maybe I'm confused) but the guy you had on wasn't the Nixonite was he ? Actually I heard the show he did for you. Is it 150 degrees outside today (yet) Robbie ???
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
The Skunk is like a comedian. Not sure who/what he/she/it is, but it is funny. Even funnier if he/she/it is Jewish.
No...its a perfect 111...it only gets bad when the humidity rises and the monsoons kick in but that is a small price to pay to get rid of all the "snow birds"
My daughter lives in Queens Creek ... 111, that's nice !
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
This does not sound like a rapture-nutter to me, and there can't be two different Charles Colsons out there preaching. Can there?
Perhaps you care to repost from a few days ago what you said about...hanging all anti-semites was ..."not a bad idea". That vulgar refrain was overlooked by most of the posters on this thread. Very subtle. Nothing was taken out of context, those are your words and no epistles of explanation will suffice. These people need to read it for themselves. No my comment was a vague agreement which which was an inept choice of words. after you pointed it out was, and is, recanted. I do not favor such and do not believe in prior restraint, and in fact oppose it vehemently. Having said that I do not favor spreading hate against anyone - even if they are at times hateful. If you wish to hold a bad choice of words as the final word that is your choice, but that does not mean that such truly reflects my mind upon such matters. I simply and clearly oppose irrational hatreds of all kinds.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
Yes there are two...Chuck is the "watergate" guy and preaches dispensationalism Charles on the other hand is a anti-dispensationalist if you will ...
Thanks for the clarification. Now, I can get on with the day.
http://whtt.org/ This is the guy that was on Robbie's show !
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Wait !!! Don't get on with the day just yet ... hehehehehe !!! Robbie don't even know who's runnin the show when he's gone ! Ha !!!!!
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
OI... You insult the intelligence of those that post here. Bad choice of words does not pass muster even for disingenuous. You wrote the four words with afore thought. Anyone as learned as you seem to be had to know what those words constituted and what the background for their insertion intended. They were your chosen words and you will have to live with them as long as you remain here.
Common decency would require a retraction of your stupid post and an apology to Chuck ... then get on with your day (gin bottle).
There might be a few RM's here, but they don't subscribe to the same belief system as the ones you hear so much about; like the Falwell/Robertson/Hagee crowd, for example.
what's an RM ?
Rapture Monkey.
ROTFL.... yeah !
I simply can't let this go by. Having had a similar discussion with you some weeks ago, it is obvious that your opposition to "irrational hatred..." of Christian anti-semites would result, at the least, "in outlawing of anti- semitism". OI, where in your "reading of bits and pieces of history" have you received confirmation that outlawing a person's emotional response to others could be successfully curtailed by legislation???
On an RBN re-broadcast, I'm listening to Pastor Chuck, subbing for Robbie Noel, and he gave out their website - http://www.whtt.org - they'll be protesting Hagee and the RM extravaganza to be held in Phoenix.
So I'm guessing an apology and retraction is not going to happen Oh, well, at least everyone can see what stock to put the things you say. Asswipe.
Is "zoom" short for masturbating Zoo Monkey? Thought so.
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
ok, troll. byebye. btw, corn, i thought you said you wouldn't try to come back?
Excellent link...thanks!
-- RobotChicken- Zoom Zoom Zoom
Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.
I just burned thirty minutes on Eoghan's most excellent video post on the CIA's mind control programs. Great video when you have the time to view it. The "stuff" just keeps getting deeper, and deeper.
Link or post #? I'm too self-absorbed to go look for it...
Whacked before he answered Zip's Mazda question...
I'll try tomorow.
I verk for Matzah !
Being opposed to someones irrational hatreds does imply that I favor laws restricting speech and thought. While I most definitely and emphatically deplore such mania I do not support restrictions upon speech and thought and DO NOT presume to put words in my mouth. That is purely and simply dishonest argumentation when you impute a position not taken. Further I oppose irrational hatreds directed at ANY individual or group. When one generalizes and attempts to imply that all members of a group share a behavior exhibited by SOME members of a group you commit a classic logical fallacy. Please demonstrate where I have EVER taken that position? Again you are attempting to imply a position which I have not taken and render argument by innuendoe and presumption. This is basically nothing more than a Strawman Argument. Not only is that logically false it is ethically reprehensible. Nowhere have I ever taken such a position nor seriously supported or argued in favor of such. One offhand comment does not a position make.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
You insult the intelligence of those that post here. Bad choice of words does not pass muster even for disingenuous. You wrote the four words with afore thought. Anyone as learned as you seem to be had to know what those words constituted and what the background for their insertion intended. They were your chosen words and you will have to live with them as long as you remain here. No, you insult my intelligence and that of other posters. I have made clear my disavowal of that offhanded comment. It is thus becoming apparent given that disavowal that the comment to which you have taken offense and blown beyond all reasonable proportion is your pretext, but likely not your true reason, for fashioning your personal attack upon me. What is becoming rapidly apparent is that you have other motivations for your personal attack so this becomes increasingly interesting. Are you a False Flag Poster? OR Do you merely have a mania? At one time I had respect for your integrity, though I did not always agree with you, you have now thrown a shadow over that and have caused me to reconsider that judgement. A fixation upon one offhanded comment, to which you provide no link in which to provide context, does cause me to wonder. In any event your fixation is minimally just that - an obsession to find fault particularly given that I have now, on at least three occaisions, accepted and granted the rightness of your questioning that comment. That you refuse to let it go leads me to conclude that you have a hidden agenda which you are not stating in your attacks. (Edited to correct typo.)
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
Pardon me OI, but your are demonstrating a fallacy here...because the Jewish group is like no other group in the timeline of human events. The vast majority are agnostic, the majority are politically Socialist, yet the huge majority identify themselve with the "Great State of Israel, the Only Democracy in the Middle East." Why is the simple fact of pointing this out wrong or in error? This is a unique group that bears scrutiny...There is no Jewish Silent Majority...the few that do speak out in truth are castigated and lives are virtually ruined. Do you condone this? Lynching "anti-Semites" will solve the problem? Jews, at tops, 3% of the populous...yet hold 99% of congressional puppet strings...this is anti-Semitic also? Well forget about it... In my personal opinion, you should learn to let go of the early schooling and see things as they really are. Good luck my friend...Biggest fallacy?...They're just like you and me...take that to the Bank of Talmud and try to cash that check?
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
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#103. To: robnoel, Lodwick esq. (#102)
Chuck Colson
#104. To: noone222 (#103)
Charles Wendell "Chuck" Colson (born October 16, 1931) was the chief counsel for President Richard Nixon from 1969 to 1973 and was one of the Watergate Seven, jailed for Watergate-related charges.
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#108. To: lodwick (#107)
#109. To: noone222 (#103)
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Chuck Colson's name sounds a lot like one of your recent guests
#110. To: robnoel (#109)
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#111. To: Original_Intent (#55)
I firmly believe Skunk to be a "False Flag" Poster. I have never sorted out his/her/their full game but I know enough to know that I trust nothing coming from "The_Skunk".
#112. To: noone222 (#110)
Is it 150 degrees outside today (yet) Robbie ???
#113. To: robnoel (#112)
#114. To: robnoel (#109)
Robby Noel:Guest: Charles Carlson Robby talked with Charles Carlson and discussed how Zoinism is taking over the Christian Churches and Government in America.
#115. To: Cynicom, all (#90)
OI...
#116. To: lodwick (#114)
there can't be two different Charles Colsons out there preaching.Can there?
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#120. To: Original_Intent (#115)
If you wish to hold a bad choice of words as the final word that is your choice
#121. To: lodwick (#117)
Now, I can get on with the day.
#122. To: lodwick (#107)
I don't think that there are many, if any, RM's here, and looking at Colson's websites, I can't find out (yet) what is his take.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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#124. To: JCHarris (#123)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#125. To: who knows what evil (#124)
#126. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#115)
I simply and clearly oppose irrational hatreds of all kinds.
#127. To: who knows what evil. everyone here (#124)
We Hold These Truths - site
#128. To: lodwick (#127)
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#131. To: lodwick (#127)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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#134. To: lodwick (#133)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#135. To: christine, zipporah (#130)
ok, troll. byebye. btw, corn, i thought you said you wouldn't try to come back?
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#136. To: who knows what evil (#134)
Link or post #? I'm too self-absorbed to go look for it...
#137. To: who knows what evil (#135)
Whacked before he answered Zip's Mazda question...
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#138. To: Phant2000 (#126)
I simply can't let this go by. Having had a similar discussion with you some weeks ago, it is obvious that your opposition to "irrational hatred..." of Christian anti-semites would result, at the least, "in outlawing of anti- semitism".
OI, where in your "reading of bits and pieces of history" have you received confirmation that outlawing a person's emotional response to others could be successfully curtailed by legislation???
#139. To: Cynicom, Diana, christine, all (#120)
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OI...
#140. To: Original_Intent (#139)
That you refuse to let it go leads me to conclude that you have a hidden agenda which you are not stating in your attacks.
#141. To: Original_Intent (#138)
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When one generalizes and attempts to imply that all members of a group share a behavior exhibited by SOME members of a group you commit a classic logical fallacy.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
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