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Title: Some Words of Caution
Source: Freedom4um
URL Source: http://4um
Published: Jun 27, 2007
Author: Diana, SKYDRIFTER, Aristeides
Post Date: 2007-06-27 08:05:56 by Diana
Keywords: None
Views: 7120
Comments: 156

I ran across an old thread from here, and saw these two posts, one from SKYDRIFTER, the other from aristeides. Here is what SKYDRIFTER had to say:

"Certainly I have my own view on this topic, but I'd have to advise anyone who wants to get into unadulterated "Jew hating," that such is the one thing which would bring down a lot of shit on this forum and its members.

In other words, sometimes it's smart to be afraid of something.

I personally don't hold back on insulting a lot of the alphabet agencies, but the ADL is really dangerous to screw with.

Few people have any clue as to what reality is composed of. The Jewish community has been so damned effective at inflicting "holocaust guilt" on those who rescues their ass that we pay radically more in "Foreign Aid" to Israel, than did the remains of Nazi Germany. The Jewish community is that smart and that powerful.

Yet America continues to fund a parasitic nation, oblivious to the fact that they have never contributed anything worthwhile to the USA. For all the benefit, Israel has never offered a platoon of coffee-serving Boy Scouts to the Iraq war. They will be free of the War Crime guilt, as America is later taxed to fund the reparations to Israeli controlled Iraq.

That's what we're approaching. Attacking Israel ("The Jewish State of Israel") is one thing; being purely and blindly racist is another. That can bring down more problems than most are prepared to deal with.

Y'all be careful, now, hear?"


Here is what aristeides had to say:

To: SKYDRIFTER

"Some people may want to see this forum discredited, and post accordingly."

Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums.

Such people are very clever and relentless in their mission, just please be careful, and don't get distracted from the big picture.

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#1. To: SKYDRIFTER, aristeides (#0)

I figured I should ping you guys since I used your words of wisdom.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-27   8:09:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Diana (#1)

"Some people may want to see this forum discredited, and post accordingly."

Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums.

Such people are very clever and relentless in their mission, just please be careful, and don't get distracted from the big picture.

Absolutely valid point. That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach.

One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor.

The same model could well be put into play here to reduce the credibility of people on this forum.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-28   19:09:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Original_Intent (#30)

That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach.

I know there are a lot of people who hate this forum, and say all posters here are virulent antisemites, as if each one of us has identical views which is far from accurate, we are all individuals with all sorts of opinions.

I suspect the ones who go on the loudest about the bad Jews repeatedly, the ones who are just too over-the-top to be for real, are in fact radical Jewish disinfo artists out to rile up posters using mob psychology techniques thereby discrediting the forums. Then they can go back to their bosses and say mission accomplished.

I can't stand people who pretend to be one thing when in fact they are another. I hate trickery and deception.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-29   4:13:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Diana, christine, farmfriend, HOUNDDAWG, IndieTX, Zipporah, all (#32) (Edited)

I can't stand people who pretend to be one thing when in fact they are another. I hate trickery and deception.

"By way of deception thou shalt do war." - Motto of the Mossad

I nevertheless agree, and unfortunately that has become the M.O. of more than one group on web forums i.e., Disinformation/PsyOps.

There is a world of difference between observing, noting, and commenting on Zionist/Israeli criminality and deceptions versus a generalized irrational hatred of jews as a people and a culture. However, in order to discredit legitimate criticism of the actions of zionist criminals it has become the practice by zionist supporters on web forums to attempt to brand all criticism of Israel and Zionism as hatred of Jews which is a lie. Anti-Semitism, the hatred of Jews as Jews, is nothing more than xenophobia and despite the wails of "Oy Vey" is not limited to Jews. Irrational hatreds, unfortunately, abound in human cultures. Just criticism is the observation of delplorable acts and rightly naming them.

The other apparent tactic, as you noted, is to have an Israeli/Zionist supporter misrepresent themselves as an anti-semite and to post "over the top" hate filled screeds to color and deligitimize all legitimate criticism as the irrational ramblings of a hate filled mind. As well it has been the practice of Zionists to incite anti-semitism in order to make the world seem threatening and against them to all jews - thus making them more easily herded and controlled.

As has been noted, and sourced elsewhere, Zionism has to no small degree attempted to create anti-semitism in order to drive Jews to move to their shitty little country. This has been documented by Jews of good heart and moral sensibility - Naem Giladi, Jack Bernstein (who was likely assassinated by Mossad), Alfred Lillienthal, Norman Finklestein, Lenni Brenner, and others. One of the greatest betrayals of WWII was that of German Jews by German Zionists and the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto could have been prevented. Their escape was vetoed not by the NAZI criminals but by Jewish Zionists who refused to pay the bribes needed to get them out - because of the condition that they be relocated somewhere other than the Rothschild created Israel. (The Warsaw betrayal is well documented by first hand accounts of survivors.)

To observe and note criminal actions, and to publicly deplore them, is the action of a rational mind observing reality and excercising rational ethical sensibilities. It is up to the intelligent and sophisticated reader to draw conclusions for themselves.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-29   12:37:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Original_Intent (#34)

As has been noted, and sourced elsewhere, Zionism has to no small degree attempted to create anti-semitism in order to drive Jews to move to their shitty little country. This has been documented by Jews of good heart and moral sensibility - Naem Giladi, Jack Bernstein (who was likely assassinated by Mossad), Alfred Lillienthal, Norman Finklestein, Lenni Brenner, and others

interesting history

robin  posted on  2007-06-29   13:41:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: robin, christine, Zipporah, farmfriend, Diana, all (#42)

interesting history

Here is a short collection of articles that give some of the flavor of the realities involved:

The Life of an American Jew in Marxist Racist Israel

The Jews of Iraq

The Difference Between Judaism and Zionism

WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

The Middle East Quandary – The Traditional View (from a pamphlet distributed by Neturei Karta)

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-29   14:57:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Original_Intent (#46)

Thanks for those links, and for pointing out also that there are some Jews who are not evil and should not be condemned merely for being Jewish. There are people out there being brain-washed into believing every last one of them is demonic, not taking into consideration recent converts, kindly Jews who help others, etc.

Not all are like Abe Foxman or Alan Dershowitz, though me having pointied that out appears to have angered some. I hope those people read those links. I tell you I would not want to be Jewish in this day and age.

Diana  posted on  2007-06-29   16:25:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Diana (#49)

Thanks for those links, and for pointing out also that there are some Jews who are not evil and should not be condemned merely for being Jewish.

You're welcome. The Jewish people can be insular and clannish but those who behave with foul intent are no more numerous than in any other group. However the clannishness and insular exclusivity has tended to foster distrust.

Not all are like Abe Foxman or Alan Dershowitz, though me having pointied that out appears to have angered some.

No not all are like Foxman or Dershotwit. Both are operating from a hidden agenda and it goes back to the Zionist strategy of generating increased anti-semitismin order to to keep Jews a controlled group, and no not all Jews are like those two dirtbags.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-29   22:43:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent (#51)

Just a sweet little old group of God-loving people , sharingtheir genius, generous in fact and spirit and loyal to the community at large in which they happily live.

What bullshit! in all respects ! Every one I have ever known would kiss the ring of Foxman and friends, steal your grandmothers ring and watch your children starve...if not plotting your detriment or downfall.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-06-30   0:36:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: JCHarris (#64) (Edited)

Just a sweet little old group of God-loving people , sharingtheir genius, generous in fact and spirit and loyal to the community at large in which they happily live.

What bullshit! in all respects ! Every one I have ever known would kiss the ring of Foxman and friends, steal your grandmothers ring and watch your children starve...if not plotting your detriment or downfall.

I'm not arguing that all Jews are Saints - merely human with the same foibles that afflict all of mankind - hubris, greed, etc., but there are still those who evidence the nobler side of humanity as well.

One could make the same kinds of arguments against any tight knit ethnic group - Italians, Gypsys, Irish Travelers, Chinese (try getting anywhere in Chinatown in San Francisco if you are not Chinese - fugiddaboutit), etc., ... However, Jews have been very successful and the ethics of some to others outside of their group can be ummmm - questionable.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-30   0:49:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Original_Intent (#68)

One could make the same kinds of arguments against any tight knit ethnic group - Italians, Gypsys, Irish Travelers, Chinese (trying getting anywhere in Chinatown in San Francisco if you are not Chinese - fugiddaboutit), etc., ... However, Jews have been very successful and the ethics of some to others outside of their group can be ummmm - questionable.

Able to blend in but ethnocentric. Nepotism is rampant. A mafia mentality. I just don't define success that way, but the world does. Making money is one thing, running our foreign policy is another.

You don't see Armenians trying to run our govt for Armenia.

robin  posted on  2007-06-30   0:58:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: robin (#71)

Able to blend in but ethnocentric. Nepotism is rampant. A mafia mentality. I just don't define success that way, but the world does. Making money is one thing, running our foreign policy is another.

You don't see Armenians trying to run our govt for Armenia.

There you point out my one major objection to the actions of Israel and its supporters in this country - I don't care if someone is ethnocentric, I find it parochial and narrow minded but that is an individual prerogative, but when it comes to tilting our foreign policy for the interest of another nation engaged in criminal practices I do object, and very strongly. That is why I take time to try to show what is behind the curtain as I understand it (and the more I learn the more I want it exposed).

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-30   1:45:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Original_Intent (#77)

That is why I take time to try to show what is behind the curtain as I understand it (and the more I learn the more I want it exposed).

OI...

Perhaps you care to repost from a few days ago what you said about...hanging all anti-semites was ..."not a bad idea".

That vulgar refrain was overlooked by most of the posters on this thread. Very subtle. Nothing was taken out of context, those are your words and no epistles of explanation will suffice.

These people need to read it for themselves.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-06-30   9:49:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Cynicom, all (#90)

OI...

Perhaps you care to repost from a few days ago what you said about...hanging all anti-semites was ..."not a bad idea".

That vulgar refrain was overlooked by most of the posters on this thread. Very subtle. Nothing was taken out of context, those are your words and no epistles of explanation will suffice.

These people need to read it for themselves.

No my comment was a vague agreement which which was an inept choice of words. after you pointed it out was, and is, recanted. I do not favor such and do not believe in prior restraint, and in fact oppose it vehemently. Having said that I do not favor spreading hate against anyone - even if they are at times hateful.

If you wish to hold a bad choice of words as the final word that is your choice, but that does not mean that such truly reflects my mind upon such matters. I simply and clearly oppose irrational hatreds of all kinds.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-30   11:56:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#115)

I simply and clearly oppose irrational hatreds of all kinds.

I simply can't let this go by. Having had a similar discussion with you some weeks ago, it is obvious that your opposition to "irrational hatred..." of Christian anti-semites would result, at the least, "in outlawing of anti- semitism".

OI, where in your "reading of bits and pieces of history" have you received confirmation that outlawing a person's emotional response to others could be successfully curtailed by legislation???

Phant2000  posted on  2007-06-30   17:03:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: Phant2000 (#126)

I simply can't let this go by. Having had a similar discussion with you some weeks ago, it is obvious that your opposition to "irrational hatred..." of Christian anti-semites would result, at the least, "in outlawing of anti- semitism".

Being opposed to someones irrational hatreds does imply that I favor laws restricting speech and thought. While I most definitely and emphatically deplore such mania I do not support restrictions upon speech and thought and DO NOT presume to put words in my mouth. That is purely and simply dishonest argumentation when you impute a position not taken. Further I oppose irrational hatreds directed at ANY individual or group. When one generalizes and attempts to imply that all members of a group share a behavior exhibited by SOME members of a group you commit a classic logical fallacy.

OI, where in your "reading of bits and pieces of history" have you received confirmation that outlawing a person's emotional response to others could be successfully curtailed by legislation???

Please demonstrate where I have EVER taken that position? Again you are attempting to imply a position which I have not taken and render argument by innuendoe and presumption. This is basically nothing more than a Strawman Argument. Not only is that logically false it is ethically reprehensible. Nowhere have I ever taken such a position nor seriously supported or argued in favor of such. One offhand comment does not a position make.

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-06-30   23:55:44 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Original_Intent (#138) (Edited)

When one generalizes and attempts to imply that all members of a group share a behavior exhibited by SOME members of a group you commit a classic logical fallacy.

Pardon me OI, but your are demonstrating a fallacy here...because the Jewish group is like no other group in the timeline of human events. The vast majority are agnostic, the majority are politically Socialist, yet the huge majority identify themselve with the "Great State of Israel, the Only Democracy in the Middle East."

Why is the simple fact of pointing this out wrong or in error? This is a unique group that bears scrutiny...There is no Jewish Silent Majority...the few that do speak out in truth are castigated and lives are virtually ruined. Do you condone this? Lynching "anti-Semites" will solve the problem? Jews, at tops, 3% of the populous...yet hold 99% of congressional puppet strings...this is anti-Semitic also? Well forget about it...

In my personal opinion, you should learn to let go of the early schooling and see things as they really are. Good luck my friend...Biggest fallacy?...They're just like you and me...take that to the Bank of Talmud and try to cash that check?

Eoghan  posted on  2007-07-01   0:32:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: Eoghan, Originia-Intent (#141)

Why is the simple fact of pointing this out wrong or in error? This is a unique group that bears scrutiny...There is no Jewish Silent Majority...the few that do speak out in truth are castigated and lives are virtually ruined. Do you condone this? Lynching "anti-Semites" will solve the problem? Jews, at tops, 3% of the populous...yet hold 99% of congressional puppet strings...this is anti-Semitic also? Well forget about it...

In my personal opinion, you should learn to let go of the early schooling and see things as they really are. Good luck my friend...Biggest fallacy?...They're just like you and me...take that to the Bank of Talmud and try to cash that check?

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan

OI is strangely apologetic and incorrect in his essay....and essay rather a recitation of reality is what it is.

I smell the sulphurous smell of fear and a schtick again.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-01   1:25:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: JCHarris (#145) (Edited)

Apologetic my ass. Do not mistake my desire be polite and considerate as either lack of resolve or inability to defend myself.

And vague innuedoes without substance or backing are treated as the covert ad hominems they are.

" OI is strangely apologetic and incorrect in his essay..."

Incorrect upon what point oh Sage? Enlighten me with your wisdom.

If a nuanced discussion is beyond you then perhaps you should retire to the sidelines?

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-07-01   1:29:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#148. To: Original_Intent (#146)

I am so intimidated by your strong arm tactics...

ohhhhh please.....shiver me timbers...brrrrrr

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-01 01:51:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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