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Title: Some Words of Caution
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Published: Jun 27, 2007
Author: Diana, SKYDRIFTER, Aristeides
Post Date: 2007-06-27 08:05:56 by Diana
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I ran across an old thread from here, and saw these two posts, one from SKYDRIFTER, the other from aristeides. Here is what SKYDRIFTER had to say: "Certainly I have my own view on this topic, but I'd have to advise anyone who wants to get into unadulterated "Jew hating," that such is the one thing which would bring down a lot of shit on this forum and its members. In other words, sometimes it's smart to be afraid of something. I personally don't hold back on insulting a lot of the alphabet agencies, but the ADL is really dangerous to screw with. Few people have any clue as to what reality is composed of. The Jewish community has been so damned effective at inflicting "holocaust guilt" on those who rescues their ass that we pay radically more in "Foreign Aid" to Israel, than did the remains of Nazi Germany. The Jewish community is that smart and that powerful. Yet America continues to fund a parasitic nation, oblivious to the fact that they have never contributed anything worthwhile to the USA. For all the benefit, Israel has never offered a platoon of coffee-serving Boy Scouts to the Iraq war. They will be free of the War Crime guilt, as America is later taxed to fund the reparations to Israeli controlled Iraq. That's what we're approaching. Attacking Israel ("The Jewish State of Israel") is one thing; being purely and blindly racist is another. That can bring down more problems than most are prepared to deal with. Y'all be careful, now, hear?" To: SKYDRIFTER "Some people may want to see this forum discredited, and post accordingly." Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums. Such people are very clever and relentless in their mission, just please be careful, and don't get distracted from the big picture.
Here is what aristeides had to say:
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#25. To: Dakmar (#17)
Haven't gotten to know me yet have you? Thank you.
I was trying to explain benefits of using domestic cats on a cleaning crew rather than importing panthers or something.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
Oh, yeah. I forgot. Panthers have their benefits, though. They can do more, much quicker.
Everyone here, please heed these words, do not let yourselves get caught up in a frenzy, especially pertaining to this topic, do not take what all posters say at face value, as there are those out there who want to lay traps, and bring about the ruin of certain forums. Such people are very clever and relentless in their mission, just please be careful, and don't get distracted from the big picture. Absolutely valid point. That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach. One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor. The same model could well be put into play here to reduce the credibility of people on this forum.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
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"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
I know there are a lot of people who hate this forum, and say all posters here are virulent antisemites, as if each one of us has identical views which is far from accurate, we are all individuals with all sorts of opinions. I suspect the ones who go on the loudest about the bad Jews repeatedly, the ones who are just too over-the-top to be for real, are in fact radical Jewish disinfo artists out to rile up posters using mob psychology techniques thereby discrediting the forums. Then they can go back to their bosses and say mission accomplished. I can't stand people who pretend to be one thing when in fact they are another. I hate trickery and deception.
I have resisted becoming one of these "virulent anti-semites" for a very long time, however, if the true meaning of anti-semite is actually anti-zionist and with the historical facts being what they are ... I must admit that I most certainly do loathe them with an undeniable, immeasurable fervor.
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
"By way of deception thou shalt do war." - Motto of the Mossad I nevertheless agree, and unfortunately that has become the M.O. of more than one group on web forums i.e., Disinformation/PsyOps. There is a world of difference between observing, noting, and commenting on Zionist/Israeli criminality and deceptions versus a generalized irrational hatred of jews as a people and a culture. However, in order to discredit legitimate criticism of the actions of zionist criminals it has become the practice by zionist supporters on web forums to attempt to brand all criticism of Israel and Zionism as hatred of Jews which is a lie. Anti-Semitism, the hatred of Jews as Jews, is nothing more than xenophobia and despite the wails of "Oy Vey" is not limited to Jews. Irrational hatreds, unfortunately, abound in human cultures. Just criticism is the observation of delplorable acts and rightly naming them. The other apparent tactic, as you noted, is to have an Israeli/Zionist supporter misrepresent themselves as an anti-semite and to post "over the top" hate filled screeds to color and deligitimize all legitimate criticism as the irrational ramblings of a hate filled mind. As well it has been the practice of Zionists to incite anti-semitism in order to make the world seem threatening and against them to all jews - thus making them more easily herded and controlled. As has been noted, and sourced elsewhere, Zionism has to no small degree attempted to create anti-semitism in order to drive Jews to move to their shitty little country. This has been documented by Jews of good heart and moral sensibility - Naem Giladi, Jack Bernstein (who was likely assassinated by Mossad), Alfred Lillienthal, Norman Finklestein, Lenni Brenner, and others. One of the greatest betrayals of WWII was that of German Jews by German Zionists and the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto could have been prevented. Their escape was vetoed not by the NAZI criminals but by Jewish Zionists who refused to pay the bribes needed to get them out - because of the condition that they be relocated somewhere other than the Rothschild created Israel. (The Warsaw betrayal is well documented by first hand accounts of survivors.) To observe and note criminal actions, and to publicly deplore them, is the action of a rational mind observing reality and excercising rational ethical sensibilities. It is up to the intelligent and sophisticated reader to draw conclusions for themselves.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
very well said.
hmmmmm
One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor. The same model could well be put into play here to reduce the credibility of people on this forum. I agree.
ping to post #30.
LIberty Forums problems had more to do with constant infighting and power struggle over control of the forum. You already know who I think was responsible for that.
Great post. I've noticed a trend these past few years where too many people are bashing all Jews, not just the radicals and rabid zionists. They are lumping in everyone who may be Jewish, no matter what their beliefs, and they miss the fact that there are many Jews who feel exactly the same way we do, who are against the war, who are against the policies of Israel and so on. In Israel there are so many clashes between Jews with widely varying beliefs who hate each other, we don't hear much about that over here, it's just too easy to lump them all together and say they are all evil, including the little old Jewish ladies who feed birds in the park. Those who hate them all are mindless anger-filled individuals who just need some group to focus their instense rage on. What really bugs me is when the radical Jew posers/trickster come onto forums and target such people using devious psychological methods, manipulating them by inciting more anger and whipping them into a frenzy. That is so dishonest and it further poisons the souls of the people they are targeting. Then those trouble-makers go elsewhere and bash the forum they have wrecked havoc upon, saying shit like see what a bunch of low-life idiots the people at that forum are? Some people already say that about this one, and there have already been several attempts in the past by hit and run posters to incite the more angry ones among us, and to piss off the more intelligent ones into leaving, obviously targeting them, just coming out of nowhere to bully them and insult them until they leave altogether. There was one guy who was very successful at that, he went after the brightest posters here, just repeatedly insulted them until most left, though a few have returned. It's too bad there's not a way to prevent such tricksters and frauds from showing up here in the first place.
We could shoot them. :-)
interesting history
Thank you.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
LIberty Forums problems had more to do with constant infighting and power struggle over control of the forum. You already know who I think was responsible for that. That came after the fact though. LF had already been disrupted and thrown into turmoil because of the repeated PsyOps attacks. While your observation is valid - it was more a symptom of the pre-existing problem rather than the cause. As well the disappearance of John Deere as the controlling and organizing entity left a cloud of doubt over LF's legitimate operation.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
Thanks, and not bad yourself. I could comment extensively, as you make some excellent points, but don't have time at the moment to write that extensively. That is quite true and is, at least in part, a result of the Zionists actions to identify Zionism with Judaism and hence ALL Jews. Which of course is, as you know, false. If you read some of the stuff from Theodore Herzl's own writings you can see that early on one of the Zionist tactics was to create and inflame anti-semitic feelings in order to populate Israel with Jews fleeing "anti-semitism". The Zionazis give credence to that by their attempts to smear dissenting Jews of good conscience with the smear "self hating Jew" in order to keep them from waking up the suckers. That is very true, but it is not published here because the Zionists are in control of American media. Just as you will rarely if ever see protests against Israel that are staged by American Jews. The pretense is that they don't exist or are very small in number. However, increasingly, to the zionist's dismay, more and more American Jews have woken up to the Con. That is standard operating procedure for the Zionists. They want to create hatred and anti-semitism as it is one of their control mechanisms over other Jews. By creating fear they in turn use that fear to control others. It is basically PsyOps - although it has been in use before the term PsyOps was invented. However, IT IS psychological manipulation of both Jews and non-Jews to get the desired reaction and response. Again that IS the objective. To silence discussion and debate and to turn discussion into a "flame-fest" where intelligent discussion and debate become impossible. Mission Accomplished. That is the desire - to drive off the intelligent posters who do reason and present their case rationally and with balance. It was very successful on Liberty Forum and destroyed its usefulness as a megaphone for reason. As to the disruptions of the management of the site which farmfriend alludes to - I suspect that was part of the "game plan".
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
Here is a short collection of articles that give some of the flavor of the realities involved: The Life of an American Jew in Marxist Racist Israel The Difference Between Judaism and Zionism WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE The Middle East Quandary – The Traditional View (from a pamphlet distributed by Neturei Karta)
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
Good to remember. It's not "the Jews," it's Zionism and a relatively small number of religious fanatics as well as a heaping helping of hubris.
I'll take your word for it since there was an extensive period of time when I didn't post there.
Thanks for those links, and for pointing out also that there are some Jews who are not evil and should not be condemned merely for being Jewish. There are people out there being brain-washed into believing every last one of them is demonic, not taking into consideration recent converts, kindly Jews who help others, etc. Not all are like Abe Foxman or Alan Dershowitz, though me having pointied that out appears to have angered some. I hope those people read those links. I tell you I would not want to be Jewish in this day and age.
Thanks for the links.
You're welcome. The Jewish people can be insular and clannish but those who behave with foul intent are no more numerous than in any other group. However the clannishness and insular exclusivity has tended to foster distrust. No not all are like Foxman or Dershotwit. Both are operating from a hidden agenda and it goes back to the Zionist strategy of generating increased anti-semitismin order to to keep Jews a controlled group, and no not all Jews are like those two dirtbags.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
You are most welcome.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
Wait a minute...did not the "Skunk" conclude that the Entebbe Raid was pure Jewish myth years before the BBC issued a report tied to probable French intelligence sources? So what if he used a picture from a Jewish psychologist website...sometimes the pictures are used as illustration in brevity to shorten the message. The vast majority are well sourced and the Skunk offers his interpretation...Much better than any Zion-owned MSM media has ever done.
Dianna, I've read from the beginning and I truly remember those posts. You do a service to bring them to mind. Its good to to be careful about saying things. On the other hand, how long will we let the man dictate what we talk about? Wasn't there an amandment about this shit? When does the shit get goin?
A good disinformationist will tell the truth most of the time in order to get the disinformation accepted when it is slid in. Skunk has also been caught planting false stories hosted on one of the servers he uses - the one that stands out in memory was the one about the Israeli company building prefab prisons. It was totally bogus and he/she/they got called on it. As well it is likely that "Skunk" is more than one person inhabiting the same persona - much like "Daisy". I firmly believe Skunk to be a "False Flag" Poster. I have never sorted out his/her/their full game but I know enough to know that I trust nothing coming from "The_Skunk".
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
One of the links in my previous post has ceased to exist - so here is an alternate I found:
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
You'll have to sort that out with HOUNDDAWG as he's a personal friend (cyberspace-wise) with Daisy. As for prison story...Skunk didn't mention Halliburton prison system and Dick Cheney's office...clearly a very bad reporting oversight. Then again, who is Dick's office?...public enemy #1 still at large, Elliot Abrams...and capo to Jew majordomo #1 Michael Chertoff. Noachide Law Reichsmarshall.
From The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel: I had no emotional conflict with leaving the U.S. because I was still able to keep my U.S. citizenship and could return to the U.S. at any time. You see, Jews are allowed to be citizens of both Israel and some countries -- U.S. is one of those countries. The U.S. government allows a Jew to be a citizen of both U.S. and Israel. German Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Germany. Italian Americans cannot be citizen of both U.S. and Italy. Egyptian-Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Egypt . . . BUT, a Jewish American can be a citizen of both Israel and the U.S. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE POWER THE ZIONIST JEWS HAVE OVER THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
German Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Germany. Italian Americans cannot be citizen of both U.S. and Italy. Egyptian-Americans cannot be citizens of both the U.S. and Egypt . . . BUT, a Jewish American can be a citizen of both Israel and the U.S. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE POWER THE ZIONIST JEWS HAVE OVER THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. Always something new to learn.
Especially wanted criminals...if the Jewish fugitive has enough clout...a red-eyed El Al flight to Tel Aviv will be made available. One of the main reasons for Israel's existence.
It was that recognition and stating it that might have been what got Jack whacked. That and he was a powerful voice that the Zionists could not discredit with the usual smear tactics - he was Jewish so the anti-semite card couldn't play, he had immigrated to Israel and found his wife there so the "self hating Jew" canard did not play either. Even worse he was relatively young, so he was going to be around for a long time, articulate, and they could not shut him up - short of murdering him. So, he was murdered to shut him up.
"To the degree that the government can take from you the produce of your labor without your consent you are that much a slave." - Me
This one really deserves its own thread.
oh, i didn't know that.
Just a sweet little old group of God-loving people , sharingtheir genius, generous in fact and spirit and loyal to the community at large in which they happily live. What bullshit! in all respects ! Every one I have ever known would kiss the ring of Foxman and friends, steal your grandmothers ring and watch your children starve...if not plotting your detriment or downfall.
Include Jack Kennedy...and the Dimona Project. His protests got him whacked...and many more.
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#26. To: Diana, JCHarris, original_intent, lodwick (#0)
#27. To: farmfriend. anyone here (#26)
What is this thread about?
#28. To: lodwick (#27)
#29. To: Dakmar (#28)
I was trying to explain benefits of using domestic cats on a cleaning crew rather than importing panthers or something.
#30. To: Diana (#1)
"Some people may want to see this forum discredited, and post accordingly."
#31. To: Dakmar (#13)
Screw 'em. Besides, y'all know you have me as point guard/nosetackle.
#32. To: Original_Intent (#30)
That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach.
#33. To: Diana (#32)
I know there are a lot of people who hate this forum, and say all posters here are virulent antisemites
#34. To: Diana, christine, farmfriend, HOUNDDAWG, IndieTX, Zipporah, all (#32)
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I can't stand people who pretend to be one thing when in fact they are another. I hate trickery and deception.
#35. To: Original_Intent (#34)
#36. To: Original_Intent, Zipporah, HOUNDDAWG, robin, Jethro Tull (#30)
One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor.
#37. To: Original_Intent, aristeides (#30)
Absolutely valid point. That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited - by FAKE anti-semites who are actually Zionazis in Drag. Some of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF are, I am convinced, Jewish/Zionist disinformation posters who wish to reduce Liberty Forum's reach.
Ron Paul for President
#38. To: Original_Intent, who knows what evil (#30)
Ron Paul for President
#39. To: Original_Intent, robin (#30)
That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited
#40. To: Original_Intent, christine, robin, All (#34)
To observe and note criminal actions, and to publicly deplore them, is the action of a rational mind observing reality and excercising rational ethical sensibilities. It is up to the intelligent and sophisticated reader to draw conclusions for themselves.
#41. To: Diana (#40)
It's too bad there's not a way to prevent such tricksters and frauds from showing up here in the first place.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#42. To: Original_Intent (#34)
As has been noted, and sourced elsewhere, Zionism has to no small degree attempted to create anti-semitism in order to drive Jews to move to their shitty little country. This has been documented by Jews of good heart and moral sensibility - Naem Giladi, Jack Bernstein (who was likely assassinated by Mossad), Alfred Lillienthal, Norman Finklestein, Lenni Brenner, and others
Ron Paul for President
#43. To: christine (#35)
#44. To: farmfriend (#39)
That is how Liberty Forum has been repeatedly attacked, disrupted, and discredited
#45. To: Diana, christine, farmfriend, HOUNDDAWG, IndieTX, Zipporah, all (#40)
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Great post.
"I've noticed a trend these past few years where too many people are bashing all Jews, not just the radicals and rabid zionists. They are lumping in everyone who may be Jewish, no matter what their beliefs, and they miss the fact that there are many Jews who feel exactly the same way we do, who are against the war, who are against the policies of Israel and so on."
"In Israel there are so many clashes between Jews with widely varying beliefs who hate each other, we don't hear much about that over here, it's just too easy to lump them all together and say they are all evil, including the little old Jewish ladies who feed birds in the park. Those who hate them all are mindless anger-filled individuals who just need some group to focus their instense rage on."
" What really bugs me is when the radical Jew posers/trickster come onto forums and target such people using devious psychological methods, manipulating them by inciting more anger and whipping them into a frenzy. That is so dishonest and it further poisons the souls of the people they are targeting."
"Then those trouble-makers go elsewhere and bash the forum they have wrecked havoc upon, saying shit like see what a bunch of low-life idiots the people at that forum are? Some people already say that about this one, and there have already been several attempts in the past by hit and run posters to incite the more angry ones among us, and to piss off the more intelligent ones into leaving, obviously targeting them, just coming out of nowhere to bully them and insult them until they leave altogether."
" There was one guy who was very successful at that, he went after the brightest posters here, just repeatedly insulted them until most left, though a few have returned. It's too bad there's not a way to prevent such tricksters and frauds from showing up here in the first place."
#46. To: robin, christine, Zipporah, farmfriend, Diana, all (#42)
interesting history
#47. To: Diana (#0)
#48. To: Original_Intent (#44)
it was more a symptom of the pre-existing problem rather than the cause.
#49. To: Original_Intent (#46)
#50. To: Original_Intent (#46)
Ron Paul for President
#51. To: Diana (#49)
Thanks for those links, and for pointing out also that there are some Jews who are not evil and should not be condemned merely for being Jewish.
Not all are like Abe Foxman or Alan Dershowitz, though me having pointied that out appears to have angered some.
#52. To: robin (#50)
#53. To: Original_Intent (#30)
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One of the biggest so-called anti-semites on LF "The_Skunk" was shown to be using images hosted on the personal website of a female Jewish Psychology Professor.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#54. To: Diana (#0)
#55. To: Eoghan (#53)
#56. To: robin, christine, Zipporah, farmfriend, Diana, All (#46)
#57. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG (#55)
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As well it is likely that "Skunk" is more than one person inhabiting the same persona - much like "Daisy".
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#58. To: Original_Intent (#56)
#59. To: christine, Original Intent, Eoghan (#58)
The U.S. government allows a Jew to be a citizen of both U.S. and Israel.
Ron Paul for President
#60. To: christine (#58)
U.S. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE POWER THE ZIONIST JEWS HAVE OVER THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#61. To: christine (#58)
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THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE POWER THE ZIONIST JEWS HAVE OVER THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.
#62. To: Original_Intent (#56)
The Life of an American Jew in Racist Marxist Israel
Ron Paul for President
#63. To: Original_Intent (#61)
So, he was murdered to shut him up.
#64. To: Original_Intent (#51)
#65. To: Original_Intent (#61)
It was that recognition and stating it that might have been what got Jack whacked.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
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