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Title: Vatican explains Tridentine Mass revival
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Jerusalem Post
URL Source: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satell ... e=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Published: Jul 1, 2007
Author: Lisa Palmieri-Billig
Post Date: 2007-07-02 00:38:14 by gargantuton
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Vatican explains Tridentine Mass revival LISA PALMIERI-BILLIG, Jerusalem Post correspondent, THE JERUSALEM POST Jul. 1, 2007 The text of a "Motu Proprio" (papal decision) regarding the revival of a controversial Latin mass will be made public this week, The Jerusalem Post has learned. Vatican officials stressed that the current text, which formerly called Jews "perfidious," contains no derogatory reference to Jews. The text is based on the Tridentine Mass promulgated by the Council of Trent in the 16th century. Originally this mass contained a Good Friday prayer for the conversion of "the perfidious Jews." But in the 1960s, after his historic meeting with the historian and Holocaust survivor Jules Isaac, Pope John XXIII ordered this terminology removed, and the version that will be used dates back to 1962, when this phrase had already been eliminated. Yet controversy continues over Benedict XVIth's decision to "facilitate and clarify" the possibility of performing mass in this Latin version. After the Second Vatican Council, the Latin mass was abolished in favor of using local languages, for the sake of improved communication. Only 2,000 to 3,000 people, following Cardinal Lefebvre in France and in Italy's Piedmont region continued using the Latin version. They ordained their own bishops, who were subsequently excommunicated by John Paul II. Benedict is apparently attempting to reintegrate this group into the church. Now, any parish with at least 30 members will be able to request permission from their bishop to perform the Latin mass. Some Catholic circles, particularly those most open to interfaith dialogue, are concerned this change will divide Catholics and undo some of the good work of the Second Vatican Council. Jewish groups are upset that the mass contain a prayer for the conversion of the Jews. While the Tridentine Mass contained a Good Friday prayer asking that God "lift the veil covering the hearts of Jews so that they may recognize Jesus Christ our Lord," the 1965 version states: "Let us pray for the Jews, that the face of the Lord our God may shine on them so that they too recognize the redeemer of all, Jesus Christ, our Lord." The prayer continues: "Listen to your church so that those who were once your chosen people may reach the fulfillment of redemption." Contemporary Good Friday prayers no longer ask for the conversion of Jews, and in contrast to the old version, the Jewish covenant with God is presented as eternally valid. During Easter celebrations one can hear these words in the modern version: "Lord our God, who chose the Jews before all other men, to receive his word, help them to continue progressing in the love of your name and faithfulness to your covenant." The prayer continues with wishes that Jews may reach "the fulfillment of redemption."
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The mass being in Latin should not have been the issue - insisting on Christians learning Latin probably helped the Greeks convert most Slavs to the Orthodox rite because the Greeks went so far as to invent a Slavic alphabet for the Slavs for them to use to learn the bible. The Slavs that went Catholic did so mostly under the influence of the sword of Latin attackers (example: Poles converted to the Latin rite to end German assaults on them). What was wrong was the changing of the mass - they should have kept the mass as is but said in contemporary languages.
"The desire to rule is the mother of heresies." -- St. John Chrysostom
While the Tridentine Mass contained a Good Friday prayer asking that God "lift the veil covering the hearts of Jews so that they may recognize Jesus Christ our Lord," the 1965 version states: "Let us pray for the Jews, that the face of the Lord our God may shine on them so that they too recognize the redeemer of all, Jesus Christ, our Lord." thanks. this begins to explain why they omitted this little nugget from the Jamestown Prayer on this site [which I don't believe is Catholic, but Anglican, perhaps] http://theassembly2007.org/jamestownprayer.php [go down to the skipped space and right-click 'select all'...it will appear.] "....And call in the Jews together with the fullness of the gentiles, that thy name may be glorious in all the world, the days of iniquity may come to an end, and we with all thine elect people may come to see thy face in glory, and be filled with the light thereof for evermore....." or does it....it seems to conflict with the statement of faith given on the minister's 'statement of faith' page: 13. the promise of eternal life for all who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and accept Him as their Saviour, and eternal damnation for those who reject Him and die in their sins. 14. the mission of the church, commanded by our Lord Jesus Christ, is to preach His Gospel to every man, everywhere. There are no areas that are exempt from the Gospel. “The earth is the Lord’s and the fullness thereof, the world and they that dwell therein.” Psalm 24:1 http://www.pastoranne.org/Statement%20of%20Faith/ I guess they're trying to move us toward a one-world religion, where we can all agree, where the Truth does not abide. TheAssembly2007 website was a link from Pat Robertson's site where the Biblical purpose of America is stated: "...Richard Hakluyt sensed that the time was right to once again make his case before the royal court. He gathered a group of like-minded merchants and explorers to form the Virginia Company. The group received an audience with King James I, a serious and scholarly monarch, committed to the Christian faith and the future of the newly united kingdom. The new king looked favorably upon their request and worked with the Virginia Company to draft a charter for the endeavor. The chief writer for the charter was Richard Hakluyt. Amidst the language of the original charter from King James for Virginia was a declaration of the spiritual aspect of the venture: We greatly commend and graciously accept their desires for the furtherance of so noble a work, which may, by the providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the glory of His Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness and miserable ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God and may in time bring the infidels and savages living in those parts to human civility and a settled, quiet government. Along with the expansion of the kingdom, and the search for natural resources and gold to build the empire, a major aspect of the stated mission of the Virginia Company included concern for spiritual things. This priority was presented in a tract published by the group titled, A True Declaration of the State of Virginia: First, to preach and baptize into Christian religion and by the propagation of the Gospel, to recover out of the arms of the devil a number of poor and miserable souls wrapped up into death in almost invincible ignorance; to endeavor the fulfilling and accomplishments of the number of the elect which shall be gathered from out of all corners of the earth; and to add to our myte the treasury of heaven. The British saw this missionary aspect of the endeavor as a way to extend to others the same gospel message that came to them. In the days of Roman conquest, the native Britons were a group of loosely-organized tribes, similar to the Native American peoples. The civilizing effect of Roman law and later Christian religion had lifted the British people and made them a mighty nation....." Cape Henry, Spiritual Roots of a Nation Now, according to The [Suppressed] Truth About [the Jewish] Abraham Lincoln, the Virginia Company was owned by the GRAIL families: "....Mrs. Lincoln had developed a ravaging dependency on Opium. Her main supplier of the drug was a former member of the Confederate Intelligence community, he was a former member because the Southern gentlemen did not approve of his drug pushing and unreliable behavior. It was because of his involvement with the Southern Intelligence Community, Mary's supplier - John Wilkes Booth - knew about the lover and the illegal twins. After being spurned by the Confederate intelligence community, Mary's 'candy man' approached and became involved with the Rothschild Empire of Europe, for he realized the European banking moguls would be very interested in his pipeline to the White House. (At this time) Abraham was searching for an issue that would unite the North and South after the Civil War ended. The issue needed to be popular to all levels of American citizenry so they could 'rally around the Stars and Stripes' thus rapidly healing the wounds of the bloodiest war in history. Lincoln was seriously considering one major movement or event that would galvanize his fellow Northern and Southern patriot countrymen into cutting loose the United States of America from the dictatorial grip of the Hapsburg's bloodline of banking control in Europe. All the time, the Rothschild's were trying to take control of the entire world monetary system, and at that time the Rothschild's were trying to get a foot-hold in America and find a way around the British, Virginia Company, and French Bourbon family that were gaining control in this country through government help ... Lincoln found himself in real hot water, because *** under the Virginia Company covenant, the 48 families that formed it were all of the Holy Grail Bloodline. ***This country was to be an extension of what all the royal families of Europe controlled. [my note: See Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16-19.] The royalty of Europe is 'Hapsburg,' no matter what their name is. The royal family of England is one such example. Now what Lincoln did is he wanted to become independent of the cogenant (in favor of his family) on the Rothschild side ... the Rothschild's and their family bloodline have always been undermining the affairs of the Hapsburg's and stealing the monetary control away from them. No matter what the history books say, the Rothschild's didn't get (total) real control on things in America and the Federal Reserve until the Springs usurped the Payseur family companies in the early 1920's ... (But Lincoln had fallen from Rothschild grace also and so, due, in part to his Executive Order to print United States Greenbacks, thus interfering with the Jewish International Banks profits)...." http://usa-the-republic.com/items%20of%20interest/abraham%20lincoln.html now it all looks to me as if it is just one big family feud. The first Israel rejected God from ruling over them. See Samuel 8. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa008.html#7 . However, God said He would take his people Israel into "their own land" Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country. [promise confirmed by Jesus in John 10] 2Sa 7:10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 1Ch 17:9 Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I [am] the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. and here, He would separate the wheat from the chaff, the saved from the unsaved, the rebels from the faithful: Eze 20:33 ¶ [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze020.html#33 And this is where we find ourselves today. I was just reading some old papers last night, where it was saying the FIRST 10 POPES WERE JEWS! :::::..... PARTIAL LIST OF 'JEWISH' POPES ... The first ten (10) Roman Catholic popes were "Jews". Here follows a list of 'Jewish' popes beginning with the 'prophecies' of 'Saint' Malachy in the year of ... http://www.collectmyflock.com/CollectMyFlock/pages/24--00__LIST_OF_JEWISH_POPES__000.html note from the link: "... Pope Leo X was a Medici (i.e. Khazar Black Nobility [01]) and Clement VII was his cousin. and then there is this: "Mrs. Van Hyning, I am surprised at your surprise. You are a student of history -- and you know that both the Borgias and the Mediciis are Jewish families of Italy. Surely you know that there have been Popes from both of these house. Perhaps it will surprise you to know that we have had 20 Jewish Popes, and when you have sufficient time, which may coincide with my free time, I can show you these names and dates. You will learn from these that: The crimes committed in the name of the Catholic Church were under Jewish Popes. The leaders of the inquisition was one, de TorQuemada, a Jew." (Woman's Voice, November 25, 1953) 1001 Quotes By and About Jews and this... MYSTERY BABYLON: CATHOLIC OR JEWISH MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. CATHOLIC OR JEWISH? And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, ... http://www.watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html it's all according to God's purpose...He brought them here! Eze 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes..... and then we will not be afflicted by the 'children of wickedness' any more, and then it will be TRULY OUR OWN LAND. Note to the rebels: Jesus is God. http://www.thunderministries.com/history/OneGod.html and Israel is Christian, NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC, [nor Judeo-Catholic-Masonic apostate Protestantism], but CHRISTian. http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/israel.htm The pope's message or lack thereof, does not fly with me: Eph 5:11 — And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them]. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eph/5/11.html now Christians need to wake up: Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. How much government terrorism including HAARP-generated weather disasters do we need to be hit with before we wake up? How much longer will we have to wander in the wilderness? How much longer will we, the Christian sovereigns of this land, the KINGS and priests of Rev. 5:9-10, pay homage and TAXES to this corrupt Babylonian government [Ezekiel 17:1-10/John 15:1/Matthew 15:13]? Our 400 years of captivity have been fulfilled. We cannot have two masters. Who will rule you? It's either this government or God. Some of us already know who wins. Isaiah 9:6-7. Eze 34:25 And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts [i.e. governments] to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods. 2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God. 2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Hey, I know You! "They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." ~ Gerald Massey
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