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Title: Pope revives old Latin mass, sparks Jewish concern
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://in.today.reuters.com/News/ne ... R_RTRMDNC_0_India-283645-1.xml
Published: Jul 7, 2007
Author: Phil Stewart
Post Date: 2007-07-07 14:40:18 by Eoghan
Keywords: None
Views: 632
Comments: 26

Pope Benedict, in a decree issued on Saturday, authorised wider use of the old Latin mass and told the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics that his nod to Church traditionalists was nothing to be afraid of.

The decree met with mixed reaction from Catholics, ranging from concern among liberal lay groups to a wary welcome from schismatic traditionalists. Two cardinals who had warned about restoring the old rite supported the way the Pope had done it.

One prominent Jewish leader criticised the revival of a prayer for the conversion of Jews, saying the old text was "insensitive ... insulting" and said it could set back the historic reconciliation between Catholics and Jews.

In a letter to bishops, the German-born Pontiff rejected criticism within the Church that his long-awaited move could split Catholics and turn back the clock on reforms introduced in the 1960s, which are opposed by many traditionalists.

The Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) replaced Latin with local languages in the liturgy, reached out to other religions and struck out texts that Jews found particularly offensive.

"This fear is unfounded," the Pope wrote. "What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful."

Catholics around the world will have the Pope's blessing to ask local priests to celebrate mass in Latin or get baptised or married according to the old rite. Few are expected to want to return to the very formal rite in a language they do not speak.

The Pope said he wanted reconciliation with traditionalists, some of whom were so angered by the 1960s reforms that they broke with Rome, causing the first schism of modern times.

SCHISMATIC GROUP

Traditionalists thanked Benedict for the decree, but their further reaction differed according to whether they were still loyal to Rome or in the schismatic group led by the late French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and excommunicated in 1988.

"The traditional mass is a true a gem of the Church's heritage, and the Holy Father has taken the most important step toward making it available to many more of the faithful," said Michael Dunnigan, chairman of Una Voce America.

The schismatic Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX), based in Switzerland, stressed it had to iron out doctrinal differences with the Vatican before a reconciliation could take place.

The decree made no change in the 1962 missal -- the main prayer book for the old rite -- which includes prayers on Good Friday for the conversion of the Jews and calls them blind to the Christian truth.

"The language is insensitive. The language is insulting," said Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a U.S.-based Jewish civil rights group.

The Second Vatican Council repudiated the idea of collective Jewish guilt for Christ's death and highlighted the Jewish roots of Christianity. Relations improved markedly under Benedict's predecessor, the late Pope John Paul II.

French Cardinal Jean-Pierre Ricard said the Good Friday prayer could be changed if it caused difficulties with Jews. Church sources said it would rarely be prayed because the old rite is an exception and the new rite -- which drops this text -- would be used in most churches around the world on that day.


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#16. To: Eoghan (#0)

"This fear is unfounded," the Pope wrote. "What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful."

This will make my Catholic husband very happy.

The decree made no change in the 1962 missal -- the main prayer book for the old rite -- which includes prayers on Good Friday for the conversion of the Jews and calls them blind to the Christian truth.

"The language is insensitive. The language is insulting," said Abraham Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), a U.S.-based Jewish civil rights group.

How about we read some passages from the Talmud for Foxman?

robin  posted on  2007-07-07   16:57:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin (#16)

This will make my Catholic husband very happy.

I won't go back to mass until all Judaism is purged from the Mass...Won't happen in my lifetime, doomed to burn in Hell I guess...

Eoghan  posted on  2007-07-07   17:03:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Eoghan (#17)

What Judaism? My husband took me to a Latin mass at a seminary in Orange county. They had handouts with the entire liturgy translated for ignorant Baptists like myself.

robin  posted on  2007-07-07   17:11:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: All, Eoghan (#18)

http://mercury.gnn.tv/blogs/17470/Quotes_from_the_Talmud

WANT OFFENSIVE and INSENSITIVE?

Sanhedrin 59a: “Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal.”

Abodah Zara 26b: “Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed.”

Sanhedrin 59a: “A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death.”

Libbre David 37: “To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.”

Libbre David 37: “If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death.”

Yebhamoth 11b: “Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age.”

Schabouth Hag. 6d: “Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording.”

Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Do not save Goyim in danger of death.”

Hilkkoth Akum X1: “Show no mercy to the Goyim.”

Choschen Hamm 388, 15: “If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.”

Choschen Hamm 266,1: “A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people.”

Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: “A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.”

Baba Necia 114, 6: “The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts.”

Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: “When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.”

Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: “Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.”

Aboda Sarah 37a: “A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated.”

Gad. Shas. 2:2: “A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl.”

robin  posted on  2007-07-07   17:14:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: All (#19)

Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: “If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: “It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: “All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples.”

Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: “How to interpret the word ‘robbery.’ A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy.”

Seph. Jp., 92, 1: “God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations.”

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: “When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.”

Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: “A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean.”

Nedarim 23b: “He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, ‘Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null’. His vows are then invalid.”

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Baba Kamma 37b. Gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has “exposed their money to Israel.

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