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Title: Ron Paul actually 2nd in Fundraising ahead of Mitt and McCain
Source: http://ronpaulpledge.com
URL Source: http://ronpaulpledge.com/wordpress/?p=10
Published: Jul 7, 2007
Author: http://ronpaulpledge.com
Post Date: 2007-07-07 18:40:01 by robin
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Comments: 30

July 7, 2007

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#1. To: All, wbales, Brian S (#0)

ping!

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-07-07   18:52:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Problem is, that if it even LOOKS as though the people are going to nominate Paul, he will either have some sort of scandal surface (unfounded or not, it won't matter once the damage is done), or the media will mike-up some little obnoxious noise he makes (like they did with Dean), or he will be strapped in a convertible and sent to Dealy Plaza. The POWER ain't gunna let him in.

We're screwed, of course.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-07-07   19:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or he will be strapped in a convertible and sent to Dealy Plaza.

that made me laugh

christine  posted on  2007-07-07   19:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or he will be strapped in a convertible and sent to Dealy Plaza. The POWER ain't gunna let him in.

Then maybe a few people ought to arrange a trip to Dallas insuring a safe convertible ride through the plaza or meet force with force ... in truth we are the POWER when we unite.

Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth?

If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”

noone222  posted on  2007-07-08   6:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Problem is, that if it even LOOKS as though the people are going to nominate Paul, he will either have some sort of scandal surface (unfounded or not, it won't matter once the damage is done), or the media will mike-up some little obnoxious noise he makes (like they did with Dean), or he will be strapped in a convertible and sent to Dealy Plaza. The POWER ain't gunna let him in.

We're screwed, of course. T

Two points:

Regarding fund raising, Ron Paul's grassroots support is so powerful that other well funded candidates wish they could match it, but they can't buy that kind of support or publicity.

A large war chest is no indication of popular support because corporations can twist their employees' arms to donate the way MBNA bank did.

And, regardless of Paul's groundswell of support we can safely assume that none of the dedicated two party hacks are part of it. The folks who believe that "we gotta beat them evil Democrats no matter what or how" will cast their votes for whoever has the power to take the nomination, and it's a foregone conclusion that the nominee will be pro-war and pro-Israel. I mean, do people really believe that Bob Dole was chosen because of popular support among Republicans?

So, the bottom line is, Paul can't win as an indie and he won't get the Republican nomination because the delegates to the convention will be sent there with the name of the corporate-approved candidate pinned to their sleeves.

Although many people will be shocked and disappointed, it will show the people how the wormy system really works.

The two party system is supported by banksters and the military industrial complex, both of which are either rapid supporters of Zionism or know better than to challenge it.

People get angry with me when I point these things out but I didn't make the rules. The bottom line is, none of the delegates from the states to the convention will dare cross the money that controls both parties. So, except for "isolated pockets of principled people" (Vermont or New Hampshire perhaps) the Republican convention will be business as usual, and by that I mean that the same people who selected George Bush will decide who gets the nod. No amount of popular support (most of which is from people who probably aren't Republicans anyway, and who don't contribute any meaningful amounts of freshly laundered and sweet smelling cash the way the FED banksters can and do) will secure the nomination for Ron Paul.

So you see, there's no need for scandal or limo rides. Paul's support will be written off as the result of internet fanatics skewing the polls and undermining "legitimate candidates".

"HOUNDDAWG, you asshole! It's people like you who are ruining this country! Why don't you get on board and support Ron Paul instead of dragging us down with your grim predictions? If he loses it'll be because of you, you goddam idiot!"

Love,

Ron Paul For President Committee

AFTERTHOUGHT: Even if by some miracle Paul wins the nomination, the general election will then come down to a choice between the candidate who wants to end social security and a DEM who promises seniors the moon and the stars. And, since the largest single group of "special interest" voters are greedy, tax grubbing seniors who don't care about America's future, who would win that contest?

Just as the media showed file footage of fully automatic machine guns dumping hot brass into the air when they pushed the phony, semi auto assault weapons ban down our throats, they'll show homeless old folks pushing grocery carts filled with aluminum cans, and most older voters (who I dare say don't even own a computer and who don't care if their own kids are doomed to lives of debt slavery) will get the message.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-08   8:32:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If one believes that our government is owned solely and completely by special corporate interests, has the ability to print money at will, (s)elects candidates of both stripes just to keep the scam palatable for goobers, controls both a national army and a private, corporate one and is in the final stages of federalizing the local police departments, then the possible election of Ron Paul would be viewed more realistically.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-08   9:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

ping

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-07-08   9:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If one believes that our government is owned solely and completely by special corporate interests, has the ability to print money at will, (s)elects candidates of both stripes just to keep the scam palatable for goobers, controls both a national army and a private, corporate one and is in the final stages of federalizing the local police departments, then the possible election of Ron Paul would be viewed more realistically.

Oh, you're an asshole too! ;)

But, seriously, I hate to take the wind out of anyone's sails but, the political process has never failed to disappoint me and I just don't understand how otherwise intelligent folks can believe that Paul is a viable candidate.

I mean, when Israel, corporations, the MCI, seniors, welfare recips, both political parties, the intel "community", the controlled media and even most of the crooks in congress are threatened by The Paul Revolution, what are the odds?

Unless he finds a sword imbedded in stone and pulls it out it just ain't gonna happen.

When Sen. Lugar was toying with a presidential run his preliminary platform was "abolish the IRS and the income tax".

Before the last election when the PUBS were pulling out all the stops, bribing seniors and kissing every baby Dennis Hastert said in an interview that if re-elected the Pubs would abolish the IRS and the income tax.

And, as always once the candidate withdraws and/or the election is passed there's never any more discussion about burying the goddam IRS or the evil tax. This is why it's often part of the whisper campaign but never part of the real platform.

So, the rotten bastards know how much we hate it and they continue to use it as bait, but they will never, EVER voluntarily abolish it.

The fact that Paul would do that is the best evidence why he cannot be allowed to win.

Not only does it provide the funds for the fractional reserve swindle, but, the system is used to silence critics and pain-in-the-ass gadflies like me who pester congressmen.

years ago I harassed Tom Carper (he was our lone congressman then) and two weeks later I received a letter from the IRS claiming I owed 40 bazillion dollars in taxes and penalties. A few years later I harassed Bill Roth and two weeks later, another letter and another 40 bazillion bux!

Because I spent the previous 20 years insulating myself from IRS harassment the letters had no effect other than to anger me. But in most cases they work like a charm to silence opponents of the crooks in Washington. And, they will never give up the power to silence people like me. They'd be very vulnerable because most of the criticism is justified and verifiable, and incumbents for life simply can't allow that.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-08   9:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, the bottom line is, Paul can't win as an indie and he won't get the Republican nomination because the delegates to the convention will be sent there with the name of the corporate-approved candidate pinned to their sleeves.

Although many people will be shocked and disappointed, it will show the people how the wormy system really works.

.. true unfortunately..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-08   9:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Social Security is normally a very important issue for voters, but the Iraq war seems to be even more important for them at the moment.

It could be made clear to voters that, while Paul is for eliminating Social Security, he has zero chance of getting Congress to approve that.

A Democratic candidate could defuse the Iraq issue by promising to end the Iraq war immediately upon taking office. But, if that was all Paul accomplished, it would be an enormous accomplishment.

As for an independent run, independents normally have no chance of winning. But, if the Iraq war continues, 2008 will not be a normal year.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-07-08   10:13:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul interview starting on the ABC station in D.C. now.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-07-08   10:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul interview starting on the ABC station in D.C. now.

BUMP!

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-07-08   10:17:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Social Security is normally a very important issue for voters, but the Iraq war seems to be even more important for them at the moment.

If C-Span is any gague of public opinion, illegal immigration still has people ticked off. This morning, despite the hosts attempt to keep people on topic, callers drifted into that topic.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-08   10:37:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Yeah, I can see your points. Either way, Ron ain't goin' no where.

For years I've been signing pettitions to put Todd Rundgren in the R&R hall of fame. It ain't never gunna happen either. S'matter of fact, I've been lobbying TMC to show an uncut version of "Darker Than Amber" and that ain't gunna happen either. Nothin' good happens anymore.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-07-08   11:05:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ron Paul is debated about on ABC's "The View"

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-07-08   16:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The really sad thing is, when I joined up with the filthy ol' tax rebs over 20 years ago one of the first people I learned to respect was Ron Paul, and I told people about him long before he ran for prez on the Libertarian ticket.

I used to pray that he would become president someday, or in the alternative set the high water mark to which other politicians would aspire.

Those who get upset with me for my predictions just don't understand. I've had a couple of decades of disappointment to bring me to this point, and it would probably kill me if I allowed myself to become hopeful and the rotten bastards pull their shit on him this time.

Some folks are hoping that the nation can be saved by a great awakening of young, principled patriots. If only that was possible. I don't believe that it is. Rather, I think we'll end up with a group of initially disappointed folks who then become cynics. Some will quit the system and some will join it, but few will ever hope of changing it again.

Keep in mind that if all else fails the US Supreme Court can rescue the party. I say this because David Duke was a lifelong registered DEM but when his star began to rise and the party got worried they told him that he could not run as a DEM, and the courts upheld it. Since that time the parties' leadership has had the unchecked power to decide who is or isn't a DEM or a PUB. Telling Ron Paul that his politics are "not consistent with the goals of the Republican Party" would be no more wild eyed crazy than the way the SCOTUS handed Bush the election. And, if that didn't result in a revolution or an end to business as usual, then....

Well, you get the picture. The federal reserve isn't going to go gentle into that good night. They'd start a nuclear war first. Anyone who thinks that we're going to sneak up on the globalists and Zionists and take America back through the "democratic process" is either a newbie or just hasn't been paying attention.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-08   17:22:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

God, those women.

That clip made me want to eat my hair.

They should have just played the RP video.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-07-08   17:22:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Well, you get the picture. The federal reserve isn't going to go gentle into that good night. They'd start a nuclear war first. Anyone who thinks that we're going to sneak up on the globalists and Zionists and take America back through the "democratic process" is either a newbie or just hasn't been paying attention.

All that we Paul supporters are saying, is that this seems like our last, best, chance to effect some change before we have to go to the cartridge box.

No one's arguing with all your most valid concerns and well-stated points, at all.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-07-08   17:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Problem is, that if it even LOOKS as though the people are going to nominate Paul, he will either have some sort of scandal surface (unfounded or not, it won't matter once the damage is done), or the media will mike-up some little obnoxious noise he makes (like they did with Dean), or he will be strapped in a convertible and sent to Dealy Plaza. The POWER ain't gunna let him in.

I totally agree and anyone who doesn't believe that need only to look at the last few years of politics in CA.

farmfriend  posted on  2007-07-08   17:29:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I so hate that stupid c**t Elizabeth.. shes such a dolt.. a total shill..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-08   17:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I so hate that stupid c**t Elizabeth..

I think Barbara decided she needed a neo-conned dumb blonde for the show...

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-07-08   17:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I think Barbara decided she needed a neo-conned dumb blonde for the show...

...and there are so many to pick from.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-07-08   17:49:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

..shes absolutely disgusting to me..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-08   17:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All that we Paul supporters are saying, is that this seems like our last, best, chance to effect some change before we have to go to the cartridge box

We have to at least try this, and courtesy dictates that we give the enemy the chance to do the right thing.

I understand.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-08   17:56:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I so hate that stupid c**t Elizabeth..

gasp! :P

christine  posted on  2007-07-08   18:01:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The federal reserve isn't going to go gentle into that good night. They'd start a nuclear war first. Anyone who thinks that we're going to sneak up on the globalists and Zionists and take America back through the "democratic process" is either a newbie or just hasn't been paying attention.

this is one thing i don't understand about Ron Paul. he's got to know this too.

christine  posted on  2007-07-08   18:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this is one thing i don't understand about Ron Paul. he's got to know this too.

Well, he can still be a catalyst and monkey wrench the wormy system, and perhaps the positive changes will come later on.

If he is able to speak words that people have never heard from a "major" party candidate then perhaps they will ripple in ways we can hardly imagine now....

Red Beckman once told me that the collapse of the economy or the grabbing of the guns will determine America's future, depending on which comes first.

And the shadow govt's success is by no means a foregone conclusion. Perhaps Paul can make the difference....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-08   18:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

this is one thing i don't understand about Ron Paul. he's got to know this too.

At some stage of our lives, we know, but we fail to give a shit about the outcome.

We want to do the right thing, whatever the result may be.

Our lives here, will end, sooner, rather than later, in any event.

Why not go out doing it correctly?

imo

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-07-08   18:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

New York City REVOLutionized!

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-07-08   18:33:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

politics in CA.

I was raised in Ventura County in the 50s & early 60s...left in '63 for the military...retired in '88 and tried to go back there to live. Forget it. Me and the weef were knockin' down over 50K a year in 89-90...and still buy used tires for the car.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-07-08   21:10:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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