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Title: Pope: Other Christians Not True Churches
Source: AP
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jul 10, 2007
Author: NICOLE WINFIELD
Post Date: 2007-07-10 19:03:24 by innieway
Keywords: None
Views: 370
Comments: 24

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition.

In the latest document -- formulated as five questions and answers -- the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

In the new document and an accompanying commentary, which were released as the pope vacations here in Italy's Dolomite mountains, the Vatican repeated that position.

"Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession -- the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.

The Rev. Sara MacVane of the Anglican Centre in Rome, said there was nothing new in the document.

"I don't know what motivated it at this time," she said. "But it's important always to point out that there's the official position and there's the huge amount of friendship and fellowship and worshipping together that goes on at all levels, certainly between Anglican and Catholics and all the other groups and Catholics."

The document said Orthodox churches were indeed "churches" because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed "many elements of sanctification and of truth." But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope -- a defect, or a "wound" that harmed them, it said.

"This is obviously not compatible with the doctrine of primacy which, according to the Catholic faith, is an 'internal constitutive principle' of the very existence of a particular church," the commentary said.

Despite the harsh tone of the document, it stresses that Benedict remains committed to ecumenical dialogue.

"However, if such dialogue is to be truly constructive, it must involve not just the mutual openness of the participants but also fidelity to the identity of the Catholic faith," the commentary said.

The document, signed by the congregation prefect, U.S. Cardinal William Levada, was approved by Benedict on June 29, the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul -- a major ecumenical feast day.

There was no indication about why the pope felt it necessary to release the document, particularly since his 2000 document summed up the same principles. Some analysts suggested it could be a question of internal church politics, or that it could simply be an indication of Benedict using his office as pope to again stress key doctrinal issues from his time at the congregation.


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#5. To: innieway (#0)

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."

Jesus: I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the LIFE; NO ONE COMES UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/14/6.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-07-11   14:38:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, innieway (#5)

The previous pope made strides in reconciling and uniting Christendom. This one seems determined to be very careful not to offend the Jews (remember those articles recently), but to offend every other Christian on the planet.

Now, who does that benefit? He's either clueless or in cahoots.

If he wants to be tough on Christians, how about being tough on this evil and immoral war(s)?

robin  posted on  2007-07-12   10:21:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: robin (#18)

Hi Robin, ... I like (love) the way you think ... I love your posts too. I am very unhappy and completely disappointed to say that the Pope is the most disingenuous motherfucker on the planet ... a murderer, a baby killer ... and someone that is able to persuade others to do his dirty work.

I am perplexed to see so many people enthralled with a Pope.

noone222  posted on  2007-07-12   21:06:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: noone222 (#21)

Thank you for your kind words. He seems to be embarking on a dangerous path here. The latin Mass was no big deal, but a rerun of the 30 Years' War we don't need. The thought must please someone though. Do you ever wonder what jokes the Chinese are telling each other over dinner? (Not that I'm implying they have anything to do with any of this of course)

(hooray, less than 2 days to the next Deek Jackson weekly headlies!)

robin  posted on  2007-07-12   21:59:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#23. To: robin (#22)

I must admit that I don't see what the big deal is. B16 just seems to be stating the obvious, granted the premises of the Catholic Church. I disagree with those premises, which makes what he says about Protestant churches unimportant, from my point of view. I don't think dude's going to try to launch a new Inquisition or anything ... last I saw, the Spanish Armada wasn't sailing up to the New Jersey beaches.

Slacktivist had a good post about this. An excerpt:

The article quoted above is headlined "Vatican Reaffirms Catholic Primacy." It could just as easily have been headlined, "Pope Says Protestants Aren't Good Catholics."

It's puzzling -- a bit like if Queen Elizabeth II were to come out with a statement declaring that Americans are not considered loyal subjects of her throne.

Benedict believes Protestants are profoundly wounded because he believes we are cut off from the apostolic line of succession that began with St. Peter.

You remember St. Peter -- he's the guy who said, "Silver and gold have I none." (Thomas Aquinas noted that he seemed to be the last pope who was able to say this -- which was also why he was the last pope who was able to say what Peter said next to the lame beggar, "In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.")

I often disagree with Slacktivist, but he does have a way with words ...

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