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Title: Pope: Other Christians Not True Churches
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Published: Jul 10, 2007
Author: NICOLE WINFIELD
Post Date: 2007-07-10 19:03:24 by innieway
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LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy (AP) -- Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches. Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church. On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II. Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition. In the latest document -- formulated as five questions and answers -- the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt. It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation." In the new document and an accompanying commentary, which were released as the pope vacations here in Italy's Dolomite mountains, the Vatican repeated that position. "Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession -- the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles. The Rev. Sara MacVane of the Anglican Centre in Rome, said there was nothing new in the document. "I don't know what motivated it at this time," she said. "But it's important always to point out that there's the official position and there's the huge amount of friendship and fellowship and worshipping together that goes on at all levels, certainly between Anglican and Catholics and all the other groups and Catholics." The document said Orthodox churches were indeed "churches" because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed "many elements of sanctification and of truth." But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope -- a defect, or a "wound" that harmed them, it said. "This is obviously not compatible with the doctrine of primacy which, according to the Catholic faith, is an 'internal constitutive principle' of the very existence of a particular church," the commentary said. Despite the harsh tone of the document, it stresses that Benedict remains committed to ecumenical dialogue. "However, if such dialogue is to be truly constructive, it must involve not just the mutual openness of the participants but also fidelity to the identity of the Catholic faith," the commentary said. The document, signed by the congregation prefect, U.S. Cardinal William Levada, was approved by Benedict on June 29, the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul -- a major ecumenical feast day. There was no indication about why the pope felt it necessary to release the document, particularly since his 2000 document summed up the same principles. Some analysts suggested it could be a question of internal church politics, or that it could simply be an indication of Benedict using his office as pope to again stress key doctrinal issues from his time at the congregation.
Poster Comment:the Vatican seeks to set the record straight
I have not seen anyone set the record straight on the Vatican quite like Walter Veith. This is just the parts of his total onslaught series from google, which is an excellent series, and the series where he tells the biblical and historical story of the Vatican. To purchase dvd's from Veith, visit http://amazingdiscoveries.org/
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#1. To: innieway (#0)
This guy cant quite seem to get it right. Most of the world could care less about his opinion, including most Catholics.
Walter Veith is a bright man and I have a dvd of him talking about 911 and Oklahoma city. He breaks it down so simply, showing all the members of the CFR, Masons and such who run and have run our world. Tis a great dvd. Thanks for the good links.
The secret of contentment is knowing how to enjoy what you have, and to be able to lose all desire for things beyond your reach. Lin Yutang A good traveller is one who does not know where he is going to, and a perfect traveller does not know where he came from. Lin Yutang
Someone should gift the guy a copy of the book, Two Babylons. Maybe he would learn something. Of course, maybe not.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
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Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation." Jesus: I AM THE WAY, the truth, and the LIFE; NO ONE COMES UNTO THE FATHER BUT BY ME.
THAT's an interesting link....lots of interesting stuff on it...got this one from that Papal Bonesman http://www.remnantofgod.org/skullandbones.htm#ewtn The Catholic Church is just another front for Judaism. I wonder if their plot is to present the Catholic Church as the 'antichrist' church, wear us all out with that, and their other front, Islam [invented by the Judeo-Catholic church], and then present us with the proper 'solution', Judaism! We are dealing with the 'Khazars' after all, who presented the three to their masses and went eeny-meeny-miny-moe, and voila! they chose Judaism [Talmudism]. Ye traverse land and see to make one proselyte and make him two-fold the child of hell as yourselves. skull and bones, of course, is masonic, freemasonry being another front. Bible says they would wear out the saints....they're trying their best..... "World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies; by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name; that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis)i [note: someone else defined polital Zionism as CHRISTIAN ZIONISM, and that makes more sense!] will destroy each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and economically. "Now can any thinking person doubt that the intrigue now going on in the near Middle and Far-East is designed to accomplish that satanic objective? Pike himself foretold all this in a statement he made to Mazzini on August 15, 1871. Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known. Quoting his own words taken from the letter he wrote to Mazzini and which letter is now catalogued in the British Museum in London, England; he said: "We shall unleash the nihilists and the atheists and we shall provoke a great social-cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to all nations the effect of absolute-atheism; the origins of savagery and of most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the people will be forced to defend themselves against the world-minority of the world-revolutionaries and will exterminate those destroyers of civilization and the multitudes disillusioned with Christianity whose spirits will be from that moment without direction and leadership and anxious for an ideal, but without knowledge where to send its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal-manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out into public view. A manifestation which will result from a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."..... The Illuminati and the Council on Foreign Relations http://usa-the-republic.com/illuminati/cfr_1.html They are ALL just a pack of satan-worshippers at their core. they lose....the gates of hell shall not prevail against Christ's church. The Pope can take his BENT CROSS and sit on the pointy end.
The truth, the way, and the life have nothing in common with this Monarch, the oldest monarchy on earth. Why would anyone go to the trouble of wearing all of this phoney horseshit just to impress the moronic masses, anyway ? The guy looks like a mafia don in drag !
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Of the three ... Judaism allows "USURY" ... that's why I think it was prefered. They are ALL just a pack of satan-worshippers at their core. [And Fags].
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
He looks like this Don to me. The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government. - Sam Houston
Durr. "Churches" that were started because some demented wife killing king wanted a divorce are not and never were real churches. Same with every "church" sect started in America by some semi literate bourbon soaked hick with a few Bible passages memorized. Good to see a Pope not afraid to speak the truth.
Good to see a Pope not afraid to speak the truth. Agree with all but the implication that there has ever been an honest Pope. Nothing could be further from the "TRUTH" ... and the Papal record isn't exactly "stellar" is it ? By the way, it was this Pope, Benedict, that was previously in charge of hiding paedophile priests and secreting them off to other parishes to prey upon little children. Such a "holy" man as this should be revered. Nor should we forget how many Nazis escaped justice after WW II ... or that previous Popes have prefered to sign Concordants with Fascists like Hitler, Franco and Mussolini ... don't get me started on these filthy murdering priests of Baal that prey upon widows, and children.
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Why would anyone go to the trouble of wearing all of this phoney horseshit just to impress the moronic masses, anyway ? The guy looks like a mafia don in drag ! I don't usually comment on people's looks, but, dang, they are some oogly creatures. Why would anyone go to the trouble of wearing all of this phoney horseshit just to impress the moronic masses, anyway ? Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay [them] on men's shoulders; but they [themselves] will not move them with one of their fingers. Mat 23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, Mat 23:6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, Mat 23:7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. [Holy Father! Holy Father!] Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren. Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven......
Does anyone see the utter hypocrisy of calling someone "father" that is sworn to celibacy !
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
JESUIT SECRET INSTRUCTIONS http://members.foothills.net/ricefile/ Mat 8:20 And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head. Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air [have] nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay [his] head. The little serpents bring this up in their 'instructions'.
good point!
message to pope: you are not relevant in any way whatsoever. the opinion of child rapist institutions is not considered worthwhile by anyone at all.
______________________________________________ you are not relevant in any way whatsoever. In that nearly every nation on earth has been pledged to the papal seat, I'd say he is very relevant. In that the papacy is the spokesperson of the beast, I'd say he is very relevant.
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
The previous pope made strides in reconciling and uniting Christendom. This one seems determined to be very careful not to offend the Jews (remember those articles recently), but to offend every other Christian on the planet. Now, who does that benefit? He's either clueless or in cahoots. If he wants to be tough on Christians, how about being tough on this evil and immoral war(s)?
Ron Paul for President
He's in cahoots alright - with his master Satan... Revelation 18:23 for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Apparently there will be no nation that is NOT deceived. And there is no "leadership" received worldwide as much as the papacy...
If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe then man would only have four years of life left. No more bees, no more pollination, no more plants, no more animals, no more man. Albert Einstein
yeah, except i don't buy any of that shit
______________________________________________ Hi Robin, ... I like (love) the way you think ... I love your posts too. I am very unhappy and completely disappointed to say that the Pope is the most disingenuous motherfucker on the planet ... a murderer, a baby killer ... and someone that is able to persuade others to do his dirty work. I am perplexed to see so many people enthralled with a Pope.
Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Thank you for your kind words. He seems to be embarking on a dangerous path here. The latin Mass was no big deal, but a rerun of the 30 Years' War we don't need. The thought must please someone though. Do you ever wonder what jokes the Chinese are telling each other over dinner? (Not that I'm implying they have anything to do with any of this of course) (hooray, less than 2 days to the next Deek Jackson weekly headlies!)
Ron Paul for President
I must admit that I don't see what the big deal is. B16 just seems to be stating the obvious, granted the premises of the Catholic Church. I disagree with those premises, which makes what he says about Protestant churches unimportant, from my point of view. I don't think dude's going to try to launch a new Inquisition or anything ... last I saw, the Spanish Armada wasn't sailing up to the New Jersey beaches. Slacktivist had a good post about this. An excerpt: It's puzzling -- a bit like if Queen Elizabeth II were to come out with a statement declaring that Americans are not considered loyal subjects of her throne. Benedict believes Protestants are profoundly wounded because he believes we are cut off from the apostolic line of succession that began with St. Peter. You remember St. Peter -- he's the guy who said, "Silver and gold have I none." (Thomas Aquinas noted that he seemed to be the last pope who was able to say this -- which was also why he was the last pope who was able to say what Peter said next to the lame beggar, "In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise up and walk.") - - - - - - - - - - - Pope John Paul made progress in stressing what Protestants and Catholics have in common. We share a basic doctrine. But B16 (very funny btw), is more interested in our differences, and doesn't care where he gives offense. OTOH, he tread very softly around the rabbis when they met. Deuced odd if you ask me.
Ron Paul for President
Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.
#2. To: innieway (#0)
#3. To: innieway (#0)
Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church
#4. To: innieway (#0)
#5. To: innieway (#0)
#6. To: noone222 (#4)
#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#5)
#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)
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We are dealing with the 'Khazars' after all, who presented the three to their masses and went eeny-meeny-miny-moe, and voila! they chose Judaism
#9. To: noone222 (#7)
The guy looks like a mafia don in drag !
#10. To: innieway (#0)
Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.
#11. To: Burkeman1, innieway (#10)
Durr. "Churches" that were started because some demented wife killing king wanted a divorce are not and never were real churches. Same with every "church" sect started in America by some semi literate bourbon soaked hick with a few Bible passages memorized.
#12. To: noone222 (#7)
#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#12)
Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven......
#14. To: noone222 (#11)
don't get me started on these filthy murdering priests of Baal that prey upon widows, and children.
#15. To: noone222 (#13)
#16. To: innieway (#0)
"man is something which ought to be overcome"
#17. To: gengis gandhi, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, noone222, Burkeman1 (#16)
message to pope:
#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, innieway (#5)
#19. To: robin (#18)
He's either clueless or in cahoots.
#20. To: innieway (#17)
"man is something which ought to be overcome"
#21. To: robin (#18)
#22. To: noone222 (#21)
#23. To: robin (#22)
The article quoted above is headlined "Vatican Reaffirms Catholic Primacy." It could just as easily have been headlined, "Pope Says Protestants Aren't Good Catholics."
I often disagree with Slacktivist, but he does have a way with words ...
Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under. -- H. L. Mencken
#24. To: Enderby (#23)
the Pope insisting they were mere "ecclesial communities" and their ministers in effect phonies with no right to give communion.
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