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Title: The 9/11 Truth Movement has peaked
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Mister Clean
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Published: Jul 11, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-07-11 14:09:58 by Mister Clean
Keywords: 9/11
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The 9/11 "truth" movement has peaked and is currently stalled. It will eventually settle down as just another fringe belief system endlessly hyped by its followers. The online success of "Loose Change" was the peak for the movement. The independent "documentary" was the best chance the 9/11 "truth" movement had for the message to reach a broad audience. But the attempt to take "Loose Change" into the mainstream has gone nowhere as its makers are bogged down in the editing process trying to clean up the factual mess they made. The 9/11 "truth" movement is no longer growing and it will not enter the mainstream consciousness as a serious alternative to the "official story." If "Loose Change" ever gets a theatrical release [and that's questionable] it will be a box office bomb, symbolic of the movement that inspired it. Face it, truthers, it's time to get a new hobby.
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#1. To: Mister Clean (#0)
I
agree. All movements tend to peak when 8 out of 10 people believe in its
message.
Nope. Actually, as time goes on, more and more people are voicing doubts about the absurd official story that they had almost from the beginning. See, the problem with the "official story" is . . . well . . . the towers falling (which we see less and less of in our media by the way- as the more times you see it- the more you go "hmmmmm".) When shoddily built illegal Turkish high rise apartment blocks don't collapse and pulverize themselves as completely as those towers did after richter scale 9 earthquakes- there is a problem. And then there is building 7. Nuff said. The "official story" is a complete effing joke.
again with this?
Mister Clean seems a bit worried about something.
Amazing how absolutely nothing
is happening as a result.
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Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
Yeah, I'm sure Rosie O'Donnell really woke a lot of people up when she went public with all her doubts.
Yeah. I'm also wondering why the "Loose Change" boys even have to re-edit their masterpiece?
Whatever. My instincts are really not effected by what B rate movie actors and C list media personalities say or don't say about 9/11. There are two types of people in this country now. Suckers- like you. And realists who aint' dopey gubmint lovers and who trust their own eyes and common effing sense. The fact that you even posted this attests to your own nervous doubt.
I agree. All movements
tend to peak when 8 out of 10 people believe in its message. Funny how that works!
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A good way to break into the mainstream would be a 60 second commercial played as part of a local congressional campaign with national implications (i.e. the race of Pelosi against Sheehan here in S.F.) What we do is go to http://www.WTC7.net and get a few of the clips of WTC Tower 7 collapsing in 6.5 seconds. Then we have a voice over explaining that Tower 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds despite the fact that it was not hit by a plane on 9-11. And the narrator can then point out that there obviously was no fire sufficient to cause the collapse and the smoke was coming from the buildings behind it. And also that steel might begin to melt at 2,000 degrees but that before the fire got to 2,000 degrees it would have gotten to 900 degrees which would have popped out all the windows. But not one was melted. Not one was out of place. This demands a Congressional inquiry and any congressperson opposed to a real investigation is just part of the coverup. We allowed the Warren Commision to lie to us about the Kennedy assassination but we will accept no more lies. This could be posted on YouTube and used by anyone who wants to run for Congress, Senate or even President. It could up and running by the weekend.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
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succinctly stated. love it. :P
You have peaked. Now get lost!
God is always good! It's possible that the investigative movement itself has peaked - but not the effect of the movement, as more Americans come to grip with the incredible Bush Cabal corruption. Imagine Bush giving a staffer permission to not testify! (Actually an 'order.') When Bush demonstrates his unlimited corruption, America takes the factual truth of 9-11 for granted, as well as the corruption of the invasions of Afghanistan & Iraq. The 'truth movement' of the collective post 9-11 corruption is just getting started.
Its one thing to say you don't buy the official story- that the towers collapsed and pulverized themselves into neat little piles after planes hit them and they smoldered for an hour. It is quite another to start positing "who did it" theories. All I know- is that those towers obviously didn't collapse naturally as a result of the planes hitting them. And Building 7 certainly didn't collpase like a classic planted charge demolition because it was damaged by "falling debris" and the weak assed fires that were flickering in them. Frankly, I doubt Shrub was in on it. He is the idiot son of a powerful beltway house- made president by cyncical degenerate elites. He is a puppet. Who did it? Some cabal of MIC parasites and gubmint officials. What was their level of knowledge and involvement? I doubt much more than a general order like: "Do something spectacular- with thousands of deaths. Here is an untraceable bank account number with a hundred million in it." And the guys they gave the order to? They gave it to someone else- who hired some guys- who then contracted some other guys- and none of them at the actual planning or operational level had any clue who was paying them or behind it. From a bunch of oligarchic MIC plutocrat parasites discussing ways to keep the "Defense" scam going- to the guys who made 9/11 actually happen I would say they were no less than 5 middle men removed and they had no direct knowledge of what, when, or where about 9/11.
Typical "truther" response. You people sure do get mad when your little conspiracy theory is attacked. You're reaction is the same kind of reaction Iraq war supporters have when someone says it's a failure.
It's way beyond possible. Who would have conducted an investigation, anyway?
How many guys does it take to wire 3 buildings with explosives? Who set them off? When did they do it? How long did it take? Where did they get the explosives AND the knowledge of where to position them? It's not as if any slob off the street can wire 3 buildings with enough explosives to bring them down. Truther's have no answers to any of this.
5 middle men removed Bandar>binMahfouz>AlQadi>MohammadAli>MohammadAhmad>AQ
That doesn't explain how our air defenses were crippled that morning.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You've attacked nothing. Fine. We are kooks. I really don't care what you think. I think if you don't suspect something with the 9/11 media storyline you are a frightened delusional sucker. That simple.
AlQadi was head of PTECH, and tho a lot of the software is ostensibly conventional, logistics and inventory mgmt and the like, there were some reports that it was far more sophisticated than that and may well have been used in some aspects of the numerous exercises happening that day. PTECH's software is classified; hence we don't know it's true capabilities but having the FAA, ONI and other DoD entities on it's client list plus hints (via globalresearch etc) of vast capabilites unknown to us, make it a plausible hypothesis that the plethora of exercises on that day were used as a smokescreen to piggyback on, neutralizing and freezing timely knowledge and possible preventive action. The system did respond, IMO, in the shooting down of the the plane in Shanksville.
That's right. I don't have any answers to "any of that". All I know is what I see and my common sense. And what I saw and my common sense tells me that Soviet built shit hole apartment blocks built with substandard materials by drunken workers in central asia don't collpase in earthquakes with such fantastic completeness as those towers, marvels of modern engineering, did. Hey- you believe they did? Fine. We have nothing else to talk about. We are kooks and you are wicked smart.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Cheney was in charge of the exercises going on that morning.
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September 11 2001 to mid July 2007 Approximately 2015 days. Osama still free. "There's a poster in the old west: Wanted Dead or Alive" Impotent blowhard bluster. Heck, Cheney's spent as much time underground as Osama.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Truther's have no answers to any of this. Deniers have some odd logic. "Mr Brown's wife has been killed. Mr. Brown is charged with murdering his wife. Only problem is that Mr. Brown was giving a lecture in front of 100s of students at the local College at the exact moment of the murder. Therefore it was impossible for him to commit the crime. Yet, anyone who says Mr. Brown is innocent is KOOK because they can't prove who did murder his wife." The USSR started the Finnish Winter war by shelling one of their own villages and claiming the Finns killed several of their soldiers. The plot involved 100s of Soldiers, civilians, and local police who all had to co-operate to carry it out. On top of that the Finns had no Artillary in range of where the shells landed. Yet for 50 years the Russian people beleived that Finland had started the war...until the Soviet government confessed the truth in the late 1980's. Yes, the truth movement is dieing. FEDGOV destroyed the evidence so we'll never know what did happen and we know FEDGOV's fairy tale could not have happened. What's left to say? The government lied about it? Oh shock! Knock me over with a feather! Government cover up is a "dog bites man" story at this point.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
Approximately 2015 days. Osama still free. Uh huh. And the only person to be prosecuted for 9/11 has been a half a retard with a history of mental illness whom even the gubmint admits was on the periphery of the "plot" at best. Yep. The biggest mass murderer in US history- the perpetrator of the most spectacular crime in the history of this country- and no one gives a shit if he is caught or not- if he is alive or not. And what of the 11 or so "masterminds" behind 9/11 they have held in dungeons with no access to anyone for going on 6 years now? Public trials for them? Nope. "Military tribunals" that will be closed- in which just about every common law norm of evidence, (like the defendant getting to see the evidence against him) will be violated. In other word- Stalin era "show trials" without actually being shown to anyone. Hell, Hitler didn't hold onto the Reichstag fire defendants for 6 years in black holes and then hold secret trials. Who would trust the evidence or verdicts of such "trials" but a gubmint loving stooge or a shill?
I am amazed at the lackadaisical apathy of most; friends, acquaintances and even strangers, about this. Even when one dares to even bring this up. Everyone tuttuts but don't seem perturbed at all.
There was some suspicious "maintenance" work, including power outages, in the towers in the weeks preceding 9/11. And a change in security, including this bizarre story: Former Deputy Director of the FBI, John P. O’Neil stated, “The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it.” Can you think of anyone (Bush) linked to both wealthy Saudi Arabians and U.S. corporate oil? John O’Neil resigned from the FBI after 31 years of service after Barbara Bodine, currently part of the Iraqi transition team, barred him from following up his investigation of the attack on the U.S.S Cole. He took a job heading security at the World Trade Center… his first day of work - September 11, 2001. John O’Neil received the job from Jerome Howard, Former Director of the New York Office of Emergency Management, who happened to have the day off on 9/11. We may only speculate on the case of Mr. O’Neil, but he does seem to be a person which U.S. oil corporate interests would want out of the way… especially during these wars for oil and power in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Marvin Bush was a bigwig, BoD member of the firm that managed security for the WTC. Once you dig, it's a pretty tight loop.
I still think he was murdered that day. What better way to get rid of a gadfly like that.
It is a standard false logical argument and misdirection technique. I have no way of knowing who, what, where, or when about the events of 9/11. I don't claim to. All I know is that those towers didn't collapse and pulverize themselves into neat little piles because planes hit them (and in the case of Seven- seemingly just fall down because some steal beams from the other towers hit it and some fires broke out on a couple of floors.) I could posit all sorts of theories about the ways and means of how 9/11 was carried out and by who. And then Mister Clean could punch holes in them- and I could patch them again- and we could go right along talking about things neither of has a clue about all day long. That's the point of trying to steer the conversation into abstraction and silly conjecture.
I'm amazed at the complete dirth of popular culture knowledge about the hijackers and the complete lack of any interest in who the men supposedly behind the most heinous crime in US history were. Could even one in one hundred thousand people in this country name a second hi- jacker after Atta? Could they recognize the picture of another hijacker placed among pictures of other Arab males? This country literally has dozens of television shows that go into nauseating detail about the most mundane of murderers and yet I have yet to see an "investigative report" about the life of one of the hijackers before the attacks. People know what color Scott Peterson dyed his hair and the name of his sideline whore- but they couldn't tell you a damn thing about one of the guys supposedly involved in killing 3000 Americans in the most vile single act of mass murder in the history of this country. Nope. Some fictionalized HBO movie was made about Atta I think- but "fictionalized" is the key word to remember. It was "inspired" by Atta- not based on the "true story". Why is that? Where is "Dateline" banging on the door of the relatives of one of the hijackers in Jedayh or Riyadh? Can't do that? No "interest" in that huh? But there is in sand bagging internet perverts every week for a year though. The dirth of attention or interest in the hijackers themselves by our media is suspicious in and of itself.
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Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, plough, sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!”
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#2. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#3. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#4. To: christine (#3)
again with this?
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
I agree. All movements tend to peak when 8 out of 10 people
believe in its message.
#6. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#7. To: Burkeman1 (#2)
Nope. Actually, as time goes on, more and more people are voicing doubts about the absurd official story that they had almost from the beginning.
#8. To: christine (#3)
again with this?
#9. To: Mister Clean (#7)
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
The 9/11 Truth Movement has peaked
#11. To: Jethro Tull, Christine, noone222, Robin, Burkeman1, Critter, Minerva (#1)
#12. To: Horse, *9-11* (#11)
And the narrator can then point out that there obviously was no fire sufficient to cause the collapse and the smoke was coming from the buildings behind it. And also that steel might begin to melt at 2,000 degrees but that before the fire got to 2,000 degrees it would have gotten to 900 degrees which would have popped out all the windows. But not one was melted. Not one was out of place.
#13. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
(Edited)
There are two types of people in this country now. Suckers- like you. And realists who aint' dopey gubmint lovers and who trust their own eyes and common effing sense.
#14. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Author: Mister Clean
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#15. To: Mister Clean, Christine, Jethro Tull, Honway, Areistides, Robin, Diana, All (#0)
#16. To: SKYDRIFTER (#15)
#17. To: Burkeman1 (#9)
There are two types of people in this country now. Suckers- like you. And realists who aint' dopey gubmint lovers and who trust their own eyes and common effing sense.
#18. To: SKYDRIFTER (#15)
It's possible that the investigative movement itself has peaked
#19. To: Burkeman1 (#16)
And the guys they gave the order to? They gave it to someone else- who hired some guys- who then contracted some other guys- and none of them at the actual planning or operational level had any clue who was paying them or behind it.
#20. To: Burkeman1 (#16)
I doubt Shrub was in on it.
#21. To: swarthyguy (#20)
#22. To: Mister Clean (#17)
#23. To: aristeides (#21)
#24. To: Mister Clean (#19)
#25. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#26. To: aristeides (#21)
#27. To: Mister Clean (#0)
a new hobby.
#28. To: robin (#26)
#29. To: Mister Clean (#19)
How many guys does it take to wire 3 buildings with explosives? Who set them off? When did they do it? How long did it take? Where did they get the explosives AND the knowledge of where to position them? It's not as if any slob off the street can wire 3 buildings with enough explosives to bring them down.
#30. To: swarthyguy (#27)
September 11 2001 to mid July 2007
#31. To: Burkeman1 (#30)
no one gives a shit if he is caught or not-
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#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#28)
#34. To: robin (#32)
#35. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#29)
#36. To: swarthyguy (#31)
#37. To: Mister Clean (#0)
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#38. To: Zipporah (#37)
When I searched 9/11 truth movement peaked I got this
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#40. To: noone222, ZIPPORAH (#38)
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