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Title: The war in Iraq (SCAIFE PAPER: BUSH IS DELUSIONAL, STAYING THE COURSE IS SUICIDE)
Source: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
URL Source: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pit ... /opinion/archive/s_517212.html
Published: Jul 15, 2007
Author: Pittsburgh Tribune-Review Editorial Boar
Post Date: 2007-07-16 15:11:33 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 247
Comments: 16

The war in Iraq

Perhaps Jack Murtha put it best: The Pennsylvania congressman, among the first to make the cogent argument that staying the course in Iraq was the exercise in futility that indeed the war has become, says President Bush is delusional. Based on the president's recent performance, we could not agree more. "Staying the course" is not simply futile -- it is a prescription for American suicide.

We've urged for months to bring our troops home. Now is the time.

"Progress" has become such a nuanced, parsed and tortured term that it no longer has meaning.

The "fledgling" Iraqi government -- how long can it reasonably be called that? -- consistently has not stepped up to the plate. President Bush warns that U.S. withdrawal would risk "mass killings on a horrific scale." What do we have today, sir?

And quite frankly, during last Thursday's news conference, when George Bush started blathering about "sometimes the decisions you make and the consequences don't enable you to be loved," we had to question his mental stability.

If the president won't do the right thing and end this war, the people must. The House has voted to withdraw combat troops from Iraq by April. The Senate must follow suit.

Our brave troops should take great pride that they rid Iraq of Saddam Hussein. And they should have no shame in leaving Iraq. For it will not be, in any way, an exercise in tail-tucking and running.

America has done its job.

It's time for the Iraqis to do theirs.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Looks like Richard Mellon Scaife is bailing on Bush, if he allows his paper to print an editorial like this one.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-07-16   15:12:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

These various editorialists have NO clue. It REALLY WAS about the oil. And that's why Junior has NO INTENTION of EVER changing course until he and Darth's companies are able to explore EVERY INCH of Iraq for more bubblin' crude.

Oil is also known as "the devil's excrement" and Darth and the Chimp are both FULL OF IT.

The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government. - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-07-16   15:14:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Sam Houston (#2)

Bush and Cheney may represent Big Oil, but Richard Mellon Scaife represents Big Money. If they conflict, who do you think will win?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-07-16   15:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: aristeides (#0)

If the president won't do the right thing and end this war, the people must.

Does the author honestly believe the "people" would be allowed to do anything.

Very naive.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-16   15:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Sam Houston (#2)

Oil is also known as "the devil's excrement" and Darth and the Chimp are both FULL OF IT.

Very good...

We will never leave the ME.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-16   15:24:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#0)

I hadnt heard or read this speech..

"And so that's -- that's what I think about, Ed. And you know, I -- I'm -- I guess I'm like any other, you know, political figure. Everybody wants to be loved. Just sometimes the decisions you make and the consequences don't enable you to be loved. And so when it's all said and done, Ed, when you ever come down and visit the old -- old, tired me down there in Crawford, I will be able to I say I looked in the mirror and made decisions based upon principle, not based upon politics. And that's important to me."

About 3:18-3:20 in this video:

Bush's ramblings are more than odd..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-16   15:47:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Sam Houston (#2)

It REALLY WAS about the oil

In this I disagree.. the oil played a very minor role ..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-16   15:48:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Zipporah (#7)

the oil played a very minor role ..

Other?

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-16   15:53:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#8)

yes..

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23083

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-16   15:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: aristeides (#0)

The war in Iraq (SCAIFE PAPER: BUSH IS DELUSIONAL, STAYING THE COURSE IS SUICIDE)

But not for the Bush Family. They've already got their flight plan, and parcel of land in South America to retire to while America goes to hell courtesy of their one worlder aspirations.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-07-16   15:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Zipporah (#9)

IRAQ: War Launched to Protect Israel - Bush Adviser

We will never leave the ME.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-16   16:02:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom, christine, Zipporah (#8)

the oil played a very minor role ..

Other?

Zipdoodle is right.

Even if Iraq only had enough to sell crude in tiny, souvenir bottles, the fact that Saddam went off the dollar and offered to sell oil for other currencies was a direct threat to the most powerful and evil cartel in the universe, the federal reserve swindlers/murderers.

And, the day that madman launched dummy scuds into Israel (causing one death by heart attack) he signed his own death warrant.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-16   16:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: HOUNDDAWG (#12)

Zipdoodle is right.

Zipdoodle also understands why we will never leave the ME.

During the last Israel foray into Lebanon, Bush said, "We will defend Israel"..with zero qualifications.

Then our House of Rep passed a resolution backing Israel 310 to 6.

What an embarrassment for Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-16   16:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Zipporah (#7)

I agree that the neocons (aka IsraeLIEs who happen to have American citizenship) goaded us into dismantling the Iraqi state. Also, Saddam had to be punished for the reasons cited - firing Scuds into Israel and switching to the Euro.

But that doesn't explain why "we" are STILL there 4 1/2 years later. That is because "we" are having surprisingly little success in creating a stable environment for Big Oil, but "we" are not about to give up trying to do so.

As long as the U.S. is a viable entity able to borrow money from the Chinese, the U.S. government will use that money to keep trying to pacify Iraq.

The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government. - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-07-16   16:39:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom, christine, Zipporah (#13)

Well, if certain Asian interests stop buying our debt paper we'll leave, even if our soldiers have to sign on as ordinary wipers to work their passages home on merchant vessels.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-16   16:39:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Sam Houston (#14)

Oil in Iraq couldnt be more unstable.. war by it's very nature is iffy.. Look at the war in Kuwait http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030320-war03.htm

Oil companies do not want oil jeopardized.. which does happen in times of war in an oil country..see what big oil said prior to the war:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,864336,00.html

In any war there are war profiteers taking advantage of the situation.. have you perchance ever read the Securing the Realm document? We are still there to establish one of the largest bases in the ME.. and we will never leave.. Iraq will be divided into 3 portions until the time when it will become a part of a large entity..

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-16   16:51:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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