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Title: Televangelist Tammy Fay Bakker Messner dies
Source: ABC News
URL Source: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3401966
Published: Jul 21, 2007
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2007-07-21 23:23:11 by Eoghan
Keywords: None
Views: 592
Comments: 34

Tammy Faye Bakker Messner, the televangelist who helped lead the PTL ministry before its collapse in a sex and corruption scandal, has died at age 65, her Web site reported on Saturday.

Messner, who lived in Charlotte, North Carolina, died on Friday after a long battle with lung cancer, CNN said.

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#1. To: Eoghan (#0)

In other news, several makeup companies filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection this afternoon....

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2007-07-21   23:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: orangedog (#1) (Edited)

ROTFLMAO!!! That's cold, but funny as hell..

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-07-21   23:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: orangedog (#1)

In other news, several makeup companies filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy protection this afternoon....


farmfriend  posted on  2007-07-21   23:35:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Eoghan (#0)

OMG! Last night my friend told me she had seen her on Larry King Live, and that she had a few weeks left but didn't know exactly how long as she didn't want to know.

I guess she was very thin and in very bad shape, skeletal but still wearing all her makeup.

Diana  posted on  2007-07-21   23:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: who knows what evil (#2)

I usually don't go there on a death thread, but she helped fleece countless seniors and others out of untold millions of dollars to build time shares and water-slides for Jesus so I don't have too many problems having a little fun at her expense.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2007-07-21   23:42:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Diana (#4)

I guess she was very thin and in very bad shape, skeletal but still wearing all her makeup.

The LK video is on YouTube...I wasn't quite prepared to see anyone look like that.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-07-21   23:54:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Diana (#4)

Time Left - Tammy Faye Bakker On Larry King Live 7-19-07

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-07-21   23:55:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Eoghan (#7)

Thanks for posting that as I only heard and didn't get to see it.

My God she does look awful, I hardly recognize her!

Diana  posted on  2007-07-21   23:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Eoghan (#0)

My dad used to wake me up by coming into my room and turning on PTL, turning up the volume and leaving. Worked every time. My uncle worked for them building that "skyscraper" that they never finished. He met them a few times.

She left her man when he was down. She was just as guilty as he was. I mean, I am sure that Jim never came up with the idea to make an air conditioned dog house. But she abandoned him and went for his best friend. What a tramp.

Ookie Wonderslug  posted on  2007-07-22   0:02:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ookie Wonderslug (#9)

She left her man when he was down.

.. hmm well.. considering he was fucking around on her.. I'd say she didnt owe him jackshit.

Zipporah  posted on  2007-07-22   0:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: who knows what evil (#6)

I saw her on LK the other night. It was sad. Those laughing at her appearance may like to imagine that they too, may not measure in their end day. Judgement isn't ours. The end is hardly pretty for most.

I understand the anger toward those conmen. In the end, no one get's out alive, nor without an account of their own measure.

There is a machine to dupe the masses in the name of the creator. Few I've seen have figured it all out. Including myself. Have pity for those who may not find the way before the final judgement.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-22   0:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Calamity (#11)

Couldn't agree more.

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-07-22   0:11:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: who knows what evil, Eoghan (#6)

...I wasn't quite prepared to see anyone look like that.

It reminds me of how my father looked (well minus the makeup).

He died of cancer, and I saw him a few months before he died, he looked very skeletal, it was shocking to see him that way.

I hate cancer, I hope when I go I have one of those quick heart attacks where you just sort of pass out, I'm terrified of going through cancer.

One of my aunts died of it too, but she was 83 and went quick but the last few weeks were hell according to my cousins. She was in a lot of pain.

Diana  posted on  2007-07-22   0:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: orangedog (#5)

I usually don't go there on a death thread, but she helped fleece countless seniors and others out of untold millions o

I am pretty sure my father donated to them a lot of cash when I was doing some serious scrimping getting through college.

Maybe that was good for me tho. Stupid for them for sure.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-07-22   1:56:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: orangedog (#5)

I usually don't go there on a death thread, but she helped fleece countless seniors and others out of untold millions of dollars to build time shares and water-slides for Jesus so I don't have too many problems having a little fun at her expense.

B-I-N-G-O, and Bingo was his name-O. I wonder if she gave any of that money she stole back. I doubt it.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-07-22   2:08:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Zipporah (#10)

She left her man when he was down.

.. hmm well.. considering he was fucking around on her.. I'd say she didnt owe him jackshit.

Sockit2em Zippy!!

Seriously, I despised the conning....the hypocrisy...the flagrant flaunting of fame and fortune...

but 45 years for Jim when the Rigas/Boesky ilk skate?

And I too doubt the money was recovered.

What I wonder is what happened to the resort they did build...and why it went bankrupt when paid for by dobations...

I never heard Jim stole 128 million...

again unlike Boesky and Tribe who routinely steal hundreds of millions into the billions and get to keep it...minus the hefty several thousand smoke and mirrors fine , of course.

I do not miss her/he/she/them....but I do empathize with the human condition and they made many people happy...

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-22   2:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Mekons4 (#15)

B-I-N-G-O, and Bingo was his name-O. I wonder if she gave any of that money she stole back. I doubt it.

Bingo....LOL...its funny the jingles and child readers peg our decade...you are ~60...! 5 years older than my brothers age.... and I remember him singing bingo as my big brudder....

lucky guess?

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-22   2:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: JCHarris (#17)

Bingo....LOL...its funny the jingles and child readers peg our decade...you are ~60...! 5 years older than my brothers age.... and I remember him singing bingo as my big brudder....

lucky guess?

What an entertainer you must be at funerals. Other than the bingo song, what else do you do.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-23   22:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Calamity, BrerRabbit (#18) (Edited)

"Other than the bingo song, what else do you do."

Biochemistry, right Brer?

"I agree with ferret on this whaling issue...so what...I intensely dislike ferret..."

And your unspoken addition to this statement of loathing is your certainty that you are much smarter then I am, yes? I remembered this hatred of yours'.

So tell me, do you still 'intensely dislike' me? Just curious, mind you.

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=124230&Disp=46#C46

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   23:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: orangedog (#5)

untold millions of dollars to build time shares and water-slides for Jesus so I don't have too many problems having a little fun at her expense.

I'm OK with that. While I was living on nothing and dishwashing at college, come to find out Dad was richly supporting them.

And then there was the PTL700 psyco scam that he donated thousands to.

At some point ya have to conclude alot of the folks around you are just kinda stupid.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-07-23   23:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Calamity (#11)

I saw her on LK the other night. It was sad. Those laughing at her appearance may like to imagine that they too,

Seen a lot of death in the last few months and will see more soon. Never felt more mortal than tonight after talking to my mother in law, who just buried her second husband.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-07-23   23:32:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Diana (#13)

, I hope when I go I have one of those quick heart attacks where you just sort of pass out, I'm terrified of going through cancer.

So with ya twisted sister. (Been to a lot of Pentacostal churches lately, everybodys a sister or a brother.) (I'm an ass).

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-07-23   23:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

.I intensely dislike ferret..."

Who could dislike M Ferret?????

Disagree, no problem, but dislike?? Heck he'd prolly bring ya pizza when your tree sitting.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-07-23   23:38:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: tom007 (#23)

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=57767&Disp=3#C3

I was asking as I helped figure out JCHarris, a poster in here is none other then our l'il BrerRabbit who fled to here after being banned from Goldi's house of horrors.

I am not going to pick on him and let the old rancor go by the wayside, if he shows the character to not resume it. But when you chose as a nick the name of someone famous for writing about the character from whom you chose your last nick because of an arrogant assumption nobody will be the wiser, well, I don't have to spell the rest out. ;-D

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   23:45:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#19)

"Other than the bingo song, what else do you do." Biochemistry, right Brer?

"I agree with ferret on this whaling issue...so what...I intensely dislike ferret..." And your unspoken addition to this statement of loathing is your certainty that you are much smarter then I am, yes? I remembered this hatred of yours'.

So tell me, do you still 'intensely dislike' me? Just curious, mind you.

http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=124230&Disp=46#C46

So, JC Harris is Brer Rabbit, is that the purpose of your post?

Whaling, Tammy Faye's appearance, and Ferret appeal. Certainly relative in a context in some other discussion, which is intense for someone. Perhaps you two can hammer that out. Perhaps focus is a good idea.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-23   23:47:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Calamity (#25)

Sorry if you feel this is disrespectful for Tammy's death thread in here. This is your perogerative.

I hope she finds peace and I am glad her suffering is over. My mom looked as bad as she did when she died of cancer in April 2003 and my sister died the very next year of cancer as well. So I have strong emotions about this topic.

In any event, that is my take on this, have a nice evening and thanks for your feedback.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   23:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: tom007 (#21)

Seen a lot of death in the last few months and will see more soon. Never felt more mortal than tonight after talking to my mother in law, who just buried her second husband.

This has been a very difficult month tom.

I had a cousin killed on Memorial Day by a drunk driver, and another who passed on Wednesday from a long illness. Both within the same family. Both cousins. Their mother in hospice care, and the one couple holding it all toghether has, their only son in Iraq. Imagine the pain and fear, which I know, considering your current situation, is not a stretch.

I think it's evident we are all in for more and much worse. I appreciate the goodness of people offering up a prayer and a sincere honesty understanding of the truth of our fate.

Together, we can at least, offer support for each other. To that, I do, keep those folks I've read about in my thoughts, and keep a prayer reserved.

I pity those that ridicule such.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-23   23:58:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Calamity (#27)

My thought from long time go is enjoy the good times completely and be assured a shit sandwich is coming your way, and recognize you are largely not in control of any of it.

The mess we are in is so profound that even Domnik my 24 yo nephew gives his eyes a scheen of understanding.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-07-24   0:04:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Eoghan (#0)

The slant on the news this morning was that she was a financial predator. Hilarious.

I'm not sure what to think of Tammy Faye, but wherever she is, I hope she's having a good laugh.

Dying for old bastards, and their old money, isn't my idea of freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2007-07-24   0:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

I am sorry for your loss.

I lost my mother to Lymphoma,after a 15 year battle.. to which she was treated as nothing more than guinea pig.

I too was glad the suffering was over......... as they were more than glad to make her travel in pain and give her an injection of HOPE, in which there was no drug transferred to her. Too late did they let us know of hospice assistance, therefore, the ability to care for her, was a mark on our incompetenece as home care givers. On and on I could go, but Cancer is a buisness. Suffering is a game to the medical 'PROFESSIONALS'...

Regardless, it is not our place to judge ones life, as it is written. I have no particular connection to Tammy Faye, other than one of sympathy. And I despise the holier than thou position some take, as if they can look in the mirror and see their soul as as perfect as they think they are.

It's more than sad... I'll leave it there.

Thanks for your post.

We all have difficult stories of loss, that pretty much places many of us on the same plane................. injustice varies, judgement comes, and we have little control of it all.

May grace fall upon you when each of our time comes.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-24   0:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: tom007 (#28)

My thought from long time go is enjoy the good times completely and be assured a shit sandwich is coming your way,

Enjoy and live. I wish I could say more, but I think you know that the 'shit sandwich' is a choice. Depends on if you feel this life ends at physical death, or not.

JMHO> :)

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-24   0:11:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Calamity, ferret mike (#30)

We all have difficult stories of loss, that pretty much places many of us on the same plane..

We have solidarity in the graveyard. And the smallest of the living is great to the mightiest of the dead.

"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato

tom007  posted on  2007-07-24   0:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: tom007 (#32)

We have solidarity in the graveyard. And the smallest of the living is great to the mightiest of the dead.

What an interesting twist of a phrase. I'll have to think about this one.

Nite to all.

Thanks for the post.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-24   0:17:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: tom007 (#32)

We have solidarity in the graveyard. And the smallest of the living is great to the mightiest of the dead.

It means in a word, death is not all it is cracked up to be!!

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-24   8:35:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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