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Title: Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment
Source: FOXNews.com
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290324,00.html
Published: Jul 22, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2007-07-22 20:19:36 by JCHarris
Keywords: None
Views: 1575
Comments: 84

Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment

Sunday , July 22, 2007

OMAHA, Neb. — Supervisors at a meatpacking plant have fired or harassed dozens of Somali Muslim employees for trying to pray at sunset, violating civil rights laws, the workers and their advocates say.

The five- to 10-minute prayer, known as the maghrib, must be done within a 45-minute window around sunset, according to Muslim rules. The workers at the Swift & Co. plant in Grand Island say they quit, were fired or were verbally and physically harassed over the issue.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has drafted a complaint to be filed with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The petition compiles testimony from at least 44 workers who had planned to sign the complaint during a meeting Sunday. The signing was changed to a later date because of a logistical problem.

Jama Mohamed, 28, said he was fired in June for leaving a production line to pray. Supervisors would not allow him a break, he said.

"Some of them took the (prayer) mat from me; they started shouting, they started telling me to stop it, and one of them grabbed me by the collar of my shirt," Mohamed said through an interpreter.

"I was crying at the time this was happening to me, and when I finished I told them while they were doing that I was in the middle of a prayer."

Mohamed said he was then called to an office, where a supervisor fired him.

Mohamed Rage, chairman of the Omaha Somali-American Community Organization, said Swift had fired at least two dozen workers for praying since May.

Donald Selzer, an attorney for Greeley, Colo.-based Swift, said only three Somali workers were fired for reasons relating to the issue, and that it was for walking off the line without permission, not for praying.

Unscheduled breaks can force unplanned shutdowns of lines, Selzer said.

"That is a significant number of employees, and there is not much of a way to accommodate that consistent with keeping the production online," he said.

The complaint reprises issues that boiled over in May, when 120 Somali workers abruptly quit for similar reasons. About 70 returned a week later, but union officials worried the issue would resurface through the late spring as sunset came later in the evening shift.

"For three days it was all good and we were praying; there was no hassle, no interference, nothing at all," said Ali Schire, 30, who said he returned to the plant but was later fired for trying to pray.

"All of a sudden after three days it just all got loose, and they were suspending people, they were firing people," Schire said through an interpreter. "Some of the people even had to give up praying at all for fear of being fired."

Said Selzer: "These people are absolutely entitled to pray, and they should not be interfered with for doing so. But on the other hand, the only situations that I've been made aware of are people that walk off the job without permission, and that's a different kind of an issue."

Dan Hoppes, president of Local 22 of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, said he had not heard of many Somali workers being fired or harassed since May. Prayer breaks are not in the contract, he said, but he hopes to revisit the issue in negotiations in 2010.

Swift rejected a suggestion by the Council on American-Islamic Relations to allow the Somalis who work evenings to leave in smaller shifts to avoid disrupting lines, said Rima Kapitan, an attorney with the group.

The company suggested phasing evening workers to shifts earlier in the day that did not interrupt prayer times, Selzer and Hoppes said.

"We're perfectly happy to try to pursue that angle so that we don't have this conflict," Selzer said. "But given the people who are on the second shift — many of whom prefer to be there — this sort of presents the operational realities."

Mohamed said it is important for Muslims to pray within scheduled times and not to postpone prayers or say them early.

"I would never forgive myself and God would not forgive me if I do not pray on time because I want to earn some money," he said.

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#4. To: JCHarris (#0)

They are going to have to allow them the time to pray. They have a constitutional right to freedom of religion under the First Amendment, and this is not such a big issue it can't be worked out in an agreeable fashion.

I do not support allowing cabbies to dictate what their passengers carry with them as has been the controversy in recent years, but their is no reason to begrudge people time to prey during set praying times.

Christians who's sect demands they go to church on Sunday, or Orthodox Jews who observe the Sabbath are respected and not sanctioned if their bosses would prefer they work those days, so there is precedent to respect these people's religion too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-22   20:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

They are going to have to allow them the time to pray. They have a constitutional right to freedom of religion under the First Amendment, and this is not such a big issue it can't be worked out in an agreeable fashion.

I do not support allowing cabbies to dictate what their passengers carry with them as has been the controversy in recent years, but their is no reason to begrudge people time to prey during set praying times.

Christians who's sect demands they go to church on Sunday, or Orthodox Jews who observe the Sabbath are respected and not sanctioned if their bosses would prefer they work those days, so there is precedent to respect these people's religion too.

If they had tried that during their probationary periods before they were admitted to the union they'd have been fired and they'd have no recourse.

So, they timed the moments of their "persecution", which is to say they didn't observe that "prayer window" when they knew they could be fired with no reasons even being required. So, if they didn't ask for and receive accommodation prior to commencement of employment they cannot demand it after slipping into the union.

And, I bet they didn't punch out, either. Their "right to pray" means "right to be paid to pray". And, they have to wash before returning to work. Their 10 minute prayer break is probably 30 minutes.

This is a good example of what to expect when their numbers are such as to encourage their true belligerence.

They are in a culture war and half the fun of their religion is weaponizing it against non Muslims.

And the same 1st amendment also guarantees freedom of the press, speech, assembly and the right to petition for redress of grievances.

Do they have a right to take unscheduled breaks to publish religious/political newspapers and/or attend protests? Since when is a company required to endorse/subsidize political and/or religious views on their time and property?

Also, does their right to religion entitle them to wear religious headgear instead of hairnets for instance?

They have the right to find an employer who will accommodate them or start their own companies or stay home.

The company probably arranged their visas and saved them from starvation and endelss tribal warfare and this is how the ingrates repay them?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-23   1:00:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#9)

If they had tried that during their probationary periods before they were admitted to the union they'd have been fired and they'd have no recourse.

So, they timed the moments of their "persecution", which is to say they didn't observe that "prayer window" when they knew they could be fired with no reasons even being required. So, if they didn't ask for and receive accommodation prior to commencement of employment they cannot demand it after slipping into the union.

And, I bet they didn't punch out, either. Their "right to pray" means "right to be paid to pray". And, they have to wash before returning to work. Their 10 minute prayer break is probably 30 minutes.

This needs to translate to:

The right to be unemployed, and

The right to starve.

BlueEyedGirl  posted on  2007-07-23   11:34:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BlueEyedGirl (#25)

They have a right to reasonable accoumidation with their prayer times, and Muslim prayers are generally known to be time specific. Therefore, there is no prior notification they needed to do before they were employed.

Whet there definately is in this country is too much anti-Muslim bigotry, and not only do the extremists Muslims need to reach accomidation with others not of their faith, the same holds true to anti-Muslim 'jihadists.' This cuts both ways.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   15:29:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29) (Edited)

The optimal solution to this problem is not to have unassimilated people with alien customs living among us to begin with. If people want to come here and continue to live and think as if they're still in Somalia or Pakistan, the logical thing to do is to encourage them to go back rather than trying to "accomodate" them.

Get US troops out of the Arab/Muslim world and Arab/Muslim immigrants out of the US and Europe. What part of that is so difficult for people?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-23   16:29:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#31)

I see nothing wrong with Muslims in this country, or accomidating their needs for prayer. All of this falls under the aupices of both sides dialoging to reach accomidaton, out in the end I see nothing involving them praying that is incombatable with them working for this company to the benefit of both parties.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   16:32:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#32)

I see nothing wrong with Muslims in this country, or accomidating their needs for prayer.

This is BULLSHIT and the usual subversive rant from you !

NO ONE else gets to stop and pray and stick their asses up in the air on mats for allah or wobum gu gug or any other deity...

YOU LOVE the notion of BALKANIZATION AND DEFEAT of all things American...

IMO

You would be the first to join the STASI ! and LOVE every minute mimicking Felix Dzherinsky!!

Go back and resume your tree-sitting stunts....maybe you can collect some more freeeeeee MONEY so you can continue to sit on your ass and continue your subversion instead of doing an honest days work.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-23   18:07:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#45. To: JCHarris (#39)

"This is BULLSHIT and the usual subversive rant from you !"

You double space out your exclimation point and seem to be familiar with me. Is this you Boris? ;-D

You claim that I am being 'subversive' by saying people have a right to be islamic in this country. If that is so, the U.S. Constitution and it's First Amendment granting freedom of religion is subversive according to little old you. How humorous can you be?

"NO ONE else gets to stop and pray and stick their asses up in the air on mats for allah or wobum gu gug or any other deity... "

Sure like the imagery of butts in the air, don't you? You must have an interesting bedroom life.

"YOU LOVE the notion of BALKANIZATION AND DEFEAT of all things American..."

And of course, this is why I served nine years in the U.S. Army, yes? How long and which branch of the U.S. Armed Forces did you serve in? I have spoken out against balkanization of this country many times, for example, whenever Ghost of Quantrill claimed "Americans needs a divorce from each other" I jumped on him on all fours. I am for the defeat of the shadow government and all things neocon. So if those are what passes for all things American to you, we agree on something to some degree.

"You would be the first to join the STASI ! and LOVE every minute mimicking Felix Dzherinsky!!

Go back and resume your tree-sitting stunts....maybe you can collect some more freeeeeee MONEY so you can continue to sit on your ass and continue your subversion instead of doing an honest days work."

Hey man, go talk to Cascadia Forest Defenders and tell them that they are remiss in not giving me the paychecks you wankers claim we get to sit in trees.

You may indeed be or not be Byeltsin of Goldi's little hate the Mexican forum, but you definately are someone from that manure pile.

Thanks for sharing some pieces of the dung collection you call a mind with me. I enjoy watching your display of dumb neocon tricks. it was quite amusing, and welcome to 4UM. ;-D

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23 18:25:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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