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Title: Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment
Source: FOXNews.com
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290324,00.html
Published: Jul 22, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2007-07-22 20:19:36 by JCHarris
Keywords: None
Views: 962
Comments: 84

Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment

Sunday , July 22, 2007

OMAHA, Neb. — Supervisors at a meatpacking plant have fired or harassed dozens of Somali Muslim employees for trying to pray at sunset, violating civil rights laws, the workers and their advocates say.

The five- to 10-minute prayer, known as the maghrib, must be done within a 45-minute window around sunset, according to Muslim rules. The workers at the Swift & Co. plant in Grand Island say they quit, were fired or were verbally and physically harassed over the issue.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has drafted a complaint to be filed with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The petition compiles testimony from at least 44 workers who had planned to sign the complaint during a meeting Sunday. The signing was changed to a later date because of a logistical problem.

Jama Mohamed, 28, said he was fired in June for leaving a production line to pray. Supervisors would not allow him a break, he said.

"Some of them took the (prayer) mat from me; they started shouting, they started telling me to stop it, and one of them grabbed me by the collar of my shirt," Mohamed said through an interpreter.

"I was crying at the time this was happening to me, and when I finished I told them while they were doing that I was in the middle of a prayer."

Mohamed said he was then called to an office, where a supervisor fired him.

Mohamed Rage, chairman of the Omaha Somali-American Community Organization, said Swift had fired at least two dozen workers for praying since May.

Donald Selzer, an attorney for Greeley, Colo.-based Swift, said only three Somali workers were fired for reasons relating to the issue, and that it was for walking off the line without permission, not for praying.

Unscheduled breaks can force unplanned shutdowns of lines, Selzer said.

"That is a significant number of employees, and there is not much of a way to accommodate that consistent with keeping the production online," he said.

The complaint reprises issues that boiled over in May, when 120 Somali workers abruptly quit for similar reasons. About 70 returned a week later, but union officials worried the issue would resurface through the late spring as sunset came later in the evening shift.

"For three days it was all good and we were praying; there was no hassle, no interference, nothing at all," said Ali Schire, 30, who said he returned to the plant but was later fired for trying to pray.

"All of a sudden after three days it just all got loose, and they were suspending people, they were firing people," Schire said through an interpreter. "Some of the people even had to give up praying at all for fear of being fired."

Said Selzer: "These people are absolutely entitled to pray, and they should not be interfered with for doing so. But on the other hand, the only situations that I've been made aware of are people that walk off the job without permission, and that's a different kind of an issue."

Dan Hoppes, president of Local 22 of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, said he had not heard of many Somali workers being fired or harassed since May. Prayer breaks are not in the contract, he said, but he hopes to revisit the issue in negotiations in 2010.

Swift rejected a suggestion by the Council on American-Islamic Relations to allow the Somalis who work evenings to leave in smaller shifts to avoid disrupting lines, said Rima Kapitan, an attorney with the group.

The company suggested phasing evening workers to shifts earlier in the day that did not interrupt prayer times, Selzer and Hoppes said.

"We're perfectly happy to try to pursue that angle so that we don't have this conflict," Selzer said. "But given the people who are on the second shift — many of whom prefer to be there — this sort of presents the operational realities."

Mohamed said it is important for Muslims to pray within scheduled times and not to postpone prayers or say them early.

"I would never forgive myself and God would not forgive me if I do not pray on time because I want to earn some money," he said.

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#4. To: JCHarris (#0)

They are going to have to allow them the time to pray. They have a constitutional right to freedom of religion under the First Amendment, and this is not such a big issue it can't be worked out in an agreeable fashion.

I do not support allowing cabbies to dictate what their passengers carry with them as has been the controversy in recent years, but their is no reason to begrudge people time to prey during set praying times.

Christians who's sect demands they go to church on Sunday, or Orthodox Jews who observe the Sabbath are respected and not sanctioned if their bosses would prefer they work those days, so there is precedent to respect these people's religion too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-22   20:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

They are going to have to allow them the time to pray. They have a constitutional right to freedom of religion under the First Amendment, and this is not such a big issue it can't be worked out in an agreeable fashion.

I do not support allowing cabbies to dictate what their passengers carry with them as has been the controversy in recent years, but their is no reason to begrudge people time to prey during set praying times.

Christians who's sect demands they go to church on Sunday, or Orthodox Jews who observe the Sabbath are respected and not sanctioned if their bosses would prefer they work those days, so there is precedent to respect these people's religion too.

If they had tried that during their probationary periods before they were admitted to the union they'd have been fired and they'd have no recourse.

So, they timed the moments of their "persecution", which is to say they didn't observe that "prayer window" when they knew they could be fired with no reasons even being required. So, if they didn't ask for and receive accommodation prior to commencement of employment they cannot demand it after slipping into the union.

And, I bet they didn't punch out, either. Their "right to pray" means "right to be paid to pray". And, they have to wash before returning to work. Their 10 minute prayer break is probably 30 minutes.

This is a good example of what to expect when their numbers are such as to encourage their true belligerence.

They are in a culture war and half the fun of their religion is weaponizing it against non Muslims.

And the same 1st amendment also guarantees freedom of the press, speech, assembly and the right to petition for redress of grievances.

Do they have a right to take unscheduled breaks to publish religious/political newspapers and/or attend protests? Since when is a company required to endorse/subsidize political and/or religious views on their time and property?

Also, does their right to religion entitle them to wear religious headgear instead of hairnets for instance?

They have the right to find an employer who will accommodate them or start their own companies or stay home.

The company probably arranged their visas and saved them from starvation and endelss tribal warfare and this is how the ingrates repay them?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-23   1:00:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#9)

If they had tried that during their probationary periods before they were admitted to the union they'd have been fired and they'd have no recourse.

So, they timed the moments of their "persecution", which is to say they didn't observe that "prayer window" when they knew they could be fired with no reasons even being required. So, if they didn't ask for and receive accommodation prior to commencement of employment they cannot demand it after slipping into the union.

And, I bet they didn't punch out, either. Their "right to pray" means "right to be paid to pray". And, they have to wash before returning to work. Their 10 minute prayer break is probably 30 minutes.

This needs to translate to:

The right to be unemployed, and

The right to starve.

BlueEyedGirl  posted on  2007-07-23   11:34:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BlueEyedGirl (#25)

They have a right to reasonable accoumidation with their prayer times, and Muslim prayers are generally known to be time specific. Therefore, there is no prior notification they needed to do before they were employed.

Whet there definately is in this country is too much anti-Muslim bigotry, and not only do the extremists Muslims need to reach accomidation with others not of their faith, the same holds true to anti-Muslim 'jihadists.' This cuts both ways.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   15:29:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike (#29)

They have a right to reasonable accoumidation with their prayer times, and Muslim prayers are generally known to be time specific. Therefore, there is no prior notification they needed to do before they were employed.

You're forgetting that the workers *asked* to work that particular shift and did not inform their employer ahead of time that they needed an accomodation.

Since other shifts are available that do not conflict with their prayers, this lawsuit will go into the trash since the people complaining refuse to accept a reasonable accomodation.

Here is the law in particular, from Title 7 of the Civil Rights code:

(j) The term "religion" includes all aspects of religious observance and practice, as well as belief, unless an employer demonstrates that he is unable to reasonably accommodate to an employee's or prospective employee's religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer's business.

Walking away from an assembly line would fall under "hardship" since the line would have to stop in order to accomodate this request. Also, since other shifts are available that meet the accomodation, this lawsuit will fall on its face.

mirage  posted on  2007-07-23   17:57:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: mirage (#35)

"Walking away from an assembly line would fall under "hardship" since the line would have to stop in order to accomodate this request. Also, since other shifts are available that meet the accomodation, this lawsuit will fall on its face."

Which is precisely why I point out this is an issue that requires all parties to dialog. I have no doubt that if all parties sat down and worked out the possible options, that accomidation could be made that would satisfy everyone concerned here.

Seldom if ever do all issues involving some religions come up until there is a job conflict involving it of some kind, so I don't buy the argument that there should have been prior mention of prayer time before these folks were hired.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   18:09:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Ferret Mike (#41)

Seldom if ever do all issues involving some religions come up until there is a job conflict involving it of some kind, so I don't buy the argument that there should have been prior mention of prayer time before these folks were hired.

Here is why the prior mention of prayer time becomes an issue.

Do you believe in Racial Profiling?

If not, then how can anyone reasonably expect someone to be Muslim, of a particular sect of Muslims, and know precisely, up-front, what their requirements are?

One of the big issues I have with these faux-civil-rights agitators is that they deliberately create issues so they can launch a lawsuit. A second issue I have with faux-religious-civil-rights agitators is that they seem to want to be persecuted for some reason I cannot fathom.

There is a responsibility on the part of someone who needs an accommodation to disclose this ahead of time. Typically, on a line job, there is a sheet handed out which details the responsibilities and in the hiring process there is another sheet which asks for details of problems or issues.

All of this MUST be signed off on by the employee along with other paperwork stating that they understand what the deal is and that they have either requested an accommodation or waived their right to an accommodation.

This paperwork, if it exists (I've never seen a job in recent years that did not have it - I've given it to many people myself) is proof positive that this is a bogus accusation. If it is shown to be a bogus accusation, I fervently hope that all the agitators involved are nailed to a tree and made to pay dearly for playing games with the employer.

If, as Swift claims, these guys are just "walking away from the lines" without checking in with the supervisors, then I do recommend they be sent to some intensive Sensitivity and Cultural training since tolerance and respect cut both ways - if none is shown, none should be given or expected. This isn't Somalia and "multiculturalism and diversity" also includes the Host Country. If it doesn't then those are just sham terms and movements and should be brought down immediately and exposed as frauds.

The article provides enough data to reasonably suspect there is something fishy with the Muslims' claims and the employment paperwork that Swift has on file will make or break the case in a heartbeat.

mirage  posted on  2007-07-23   18:21:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mirage (#43)

One of the big issues I have with these faux-civil-rights agitators is that they deliberately create issues so they can launch a lawsuit. A second issue I have with faux-religious-civil-rights agitators is that they seem to want to be persecuted for some reason I cannot fathom.

I believe your first point answers the second.

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:38:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Dakmar, mirage (#51)

second issue I have with faux-religious-civil-rights agitators is that they seem to want to be persecuted for some reason I cannot fathom.

I believe your first point answers the second.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakma

Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off.

No one now has the balls to oblige the bastards !

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-23   18:50:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: JCHarris (#58)

Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off.

It's gone beyond that, there are now people being paid to walk around with a chip on their shoulder.

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:56:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Dakmar (#61)

Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off.

It's gone beyond that, there are now people being paid to walk around with a chip on their shoulder. -Dakmar

That is so true !!

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JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-23   19:01:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: JCHarris (#64)

If you haven't already, do some research on Ford Foundation and Mecha. Eye-openning, to say the least.

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   19:04:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Dakmar (#65)

Didn't you hear? The world jewish congress has announced that Hillary has been selected as the next president. She'll get everything fixed up OK. No worries.

Esso  posted on  2007-07-23   19:11:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Esso (#66)

Heil Hillary!

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   19:13:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#69. To: Dakmar (#67)

NO FATE

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