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Title: Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment
Source: FOXNews.com
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290324,00.html
Published: Jul 22, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2007-07-22 20:19:36 by JCHarris
Keywords: None
Views: 1198
Comments: 84

Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment

Sunday , July 22, 2007

OMAHA, Neb. — Supervisors at a meatpacking plant have fired or harassed dozens of Somali Muslim employees for trying to pray at sunset, violating civil rights laws, the workers and their advocates say.

The five- to 10-minute prayer, known as the maghrib, must be done within a 45-minute window around sunset, according to Muslim rules. The workers at the Swift & Co. plant in Grand Island say they quit, were fired or were verbally and physically harassed over the issue.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has drafted a complaint to be filed with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The petition compiles testimony from at least 44 workers who had planned to sign the complaint during a meeting Sunday. The signing was changed to a later date because of a logistical problem.

Jama Mohamed, 28, said he was fired in June for leaving a production line to pray. Supervisors would not allow him a break, he said.

"Some of them took the (prayer) mat from me; they started shouting, they started telling me to stop it, and one of them grabbed me by the collar of my shirt," Mohamed said through an interpreter.

"I was crying at the time this was happening to me, and when I finished I told them while they were doing that I was in the middle of a prayer."

Mohamed said he was then called to an office, where a supervisor fired him.

Mohamed Rage, chairman of the Omaha Somali-American Community Organization, said Swift had fired at least two dozen workers for praying since May.

Donald Selzer, an attorney for Greeley, Colo.-based Swift, said only three Somali workers were fired for reasons relating to the issue, and that it was for walking off the line without permission, not for praying.

Unscheduled breaks can force unplanned shutdowns of lines, Selzer said.

"That is a significant number of employees, and there is not much of a way to accommodate that consistent with keeping the production online," he said.

The complaint reprises issues that boiled over in May, when 120 Somali workers abruptly quit for similar reasons. About 70 returned a week later, but union officials worried the issue would resurface through the late spring as sunset came later in the evening shift.

"For three days it was all good and we were praying; there was no hassle, no interference, nothing at all," said Ali Schire, 30, who said he returned to the plant but was later fired for trying to pray.

"All of a sudden after three days it just all got loose, and they were suspending people, they were firing people," Schire said through an interpreter. "Some of the people even had to give up praying at all for fear of being fired."

Said Selzer: "These people are absolutely entitled to pray, and they should not be interfered with for doing so. But on the other hand, the only situations that I've been made aware of are people that walk off the job without permission, and that's a different kind of an issue."

Dan Hoppes, president of Local 22 of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, said he had not heard of many Somali workers being fired or harassed since May. Prayer breaks are not in the contract, he said, but he hopes to revisit the issue in negotiations in 2010.

Swift rejected a suggestion by the Council on American-Islamic Relations to allow the Somalis who work evenings to leave in smaller shifts to avoid disrupting lines, said Rima Kapitan, an attorney with the group.

The company suggested phasing evening workers to shifts earlier in the day that did not interrupt prayer times, Selzer and Hoppes said.

"We're perfectly happy to try to pursue that angle so that we don't have this conflict," Selzer said. "But given the people who are on the second shift — many of whom prefer to be there — this sort of presents the operational realities."

Mohamed said it is important for Muslims to pray within scheduled times and not to postpone prayers or say them early.

"I would never forgive myself and God would not forgive me if I do not pray on time because I want to earn some money," he said.

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#44. To: Burkeman1 (#38)

No, the logical thing to do is mind your own business and get a life. What is a Somali suppossed to do to become "American"?

I take that to mean that you haven't the slightest objection to seeing America overrun with millions of third world immigrants, and that anyone who does object should simply smile, shrug his shoulders and "get a life."

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-23   18:22:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: JCHarris (#39)

"This is BULLSHIT and the usual subversive rant from you !"

You double space out your exclimation point and seem to be familiar with me. Is this you Boris? ;-D

You claim that I am being 'subversive' by saying people have a right to be islamic in this country. If that is so, the U.S. Constitution and it's First Amendment granting freedom of religion is subversive according to little old you. How humorous can you be?

"NO ONE else gets to stop and pray and stick their asses up in the air on mats for allah or wobum gu gug or any other deity... "

Sure like the imagery of butts in the air, don't you? You must have an interesting bedroom life.

"YOU LOVE the notion of BALKANIZATION AND DEFEAT of all things American..."

And of course, this is why I served nine years in the U.S. Army, yes? How long and which branch of the U.S. Armed Forces did you serve in? I have spoken out against balkanization of this country many times, for example, whenever Ghost of Quantrill claimed "Americans needs a divorce from each other" I jumped on him on all fours. I am for the defeat of the shadow government and all things neocon. So if those are what passes for all things American to you, we agree on something to some degree.

"You would be the first to join the STASI ! and LOVE every minute mimicking Felix Dzherinsky!!

Go back and resume your tree-sitting stunts....maybe you can collect some more freeeeeee MONEY so you can continue to sit on your ass and continue your subversion instead of doing an honest days work."

Hey man, go talk to Cascadia Forest Defenders and tell them that they are remiss in not giving me the paychecks you wankers claim we get to sit in trees.

You may indeed be or not be Byeltsin of Goldi's little hate the Mexican forum, but you definately are someone from that manure pile.

Thanks for sharing some pieces of the dung collection you call a mind with me. I enjoy watching your display of dumb neocon tricks. it was quite amusing, and welcome to 4UM. ;-D

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   18:25:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: JCHarris (#0)

I'll bet $5 US that the either the Ford Foundation or AEI is bankrolling these fucking refusniks.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Ferret Mike (#37)

Emphasis on you have nothing to say here. Whine and snip to someone who cares. I don't.

Oh, grow up.

According to the article they were "walking off the line without permission". Shutting down the line is NOT a minor accomodation - your religious days are - and I bet you give them notice, too.

BlueEyedGirl  posted on  2007-07-23   18:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: mirage (#43)

There is no tangible proof that there is anyting fishy with their claims. I am in favor of both the workers and Kraft sitting down and exploring the options and achieving compremise.

And I agree with you that tolerence and respect should cut both ways.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   18:30:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Ferret Mike (#45)

You claim that I am being 'subversive' by saying people have a right to be islamic in this country. If that is so, the U.S. Constitution and it's First Amendment granting freedom of religion is subversive according to little old you. How humorous can you be?

This country was founded by satanists, illuminati and whatnot. Is Deism Apostacy or Heresy? Watch Wapner at 4:00 to find out.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: BlueEyedGirl (#47)

"Oh, grow up"

Likewise, I'm sure.

"According to the article they were "walking off the line without permission". Shutting down the line is NOT a minor accomodation - your religious days are - and I bet you give them notice, too."

Which is why both the workers and management need to sit down, explore the options and work out a comprimise.

As for me, last Winter I worked taking orders for Harry and David (Bear Creek Orchards) and worked on the Winter Solstice because our ceremonies times did not conflict. It was my first Winter back at this job in several years. Had I asked I would have gotten the day off according to what management told me a couple of months earlier.

But it was a busy day, and they were short people, so I took mercy on them. Terrible thing for someone of Wicca to do, yes? ;-)

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   18:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: mirage (#43)

One of the big issues I have with these faux-civil-rights agitators is that they deliberately create issues so they can launch a lawsuit. A second issue I have with faux-religious-civil-rights agitators is that they seem to want to be persecuted for some reason I cannot fathom.

I believe your first point answers the second.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mirage (#43)

This isn't Somalia and "multiculturalism and diversity" also includes the Host Country.

Oh, right, East Africa, the birthplace of tolerance!

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:40:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike (#48) (Edited)

There is no tangible proof that there is anyting fishy with their claims. I am in favor of both the workers and Kraft sitting down and exploring the options and achieving compremise.

No tangible proof yet, but the proof will be in the employment paperwork that Swift has in its files. If it follows standard "modern anti-lawsuit" formats, it will demolish CAIR's case in about 30 seconds.

That being said, I've had people pull this crap on me before. Generally, I don't fire them, but I do send them on the more obnoxious details, like transferring them to the midnight backup brigade for a three-month stint.

They don't last long once that happens, but it does get the point across that being open and honest is required.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-07-23   18:40:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: mirage, Ferret Mike (#53)

Back when we had strong labor unions these slobs would still be State of New York's problem.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:44:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Dakmar (#54)

"Back when we had strong labor unions these slobs would still be State of New York's problem."

With a little luck and hard work, I hope we have stronger unions in America's future. I am a strong proponent of unions and collective bargaining.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   18:45:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Ferret Mike (#55)

Make it unprofitable for the bastards to cheat us, that's all the collectivism any of us need.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:48:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Dakmar (#52)

Oh, right, East Africa, the birthplace of tolerance!

"Some cultures are incompatible with each other, or with freedom."

"'Nativist' is a pejorative term used to describe people whose own families matter more to them than someone else's family matters to them."

Both are my own quotes used in various arguments to prove a point that insults don't get anyone anywhere.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-07-23   18:50:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Dakmar, mirage (#51)

second issue I have with faux-religious-civil-rights agitators is that they seem to want to be persecuted for some reason I cannot fathom.

I believe your first point answers the second.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakma

Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off.

No one now has the balls to oblige the bastards !

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-23   18:50:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Dakmar (#56)

"Make it unprofitable for the bastards to cheat us, that's all the collectivism any of us need."

As this cuts both ways, the need to keep management and the workers honest, collective bargaining and unionization is a good thing. Rarely if ever have I met any employer who was honest enough or had enough common sense enough that there was no room for empowering employees and giving them a voice at the table in regard to their jobs.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   18:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: JCHarris (#58)

"Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off."

Sure discribes you to a T, bubba.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   18:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: JCHarris (#58)

Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off.

It's gone beyond that, there are now people being paid to walk around with a chip on their shoulder.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   18:56:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Ferret Mike (#60)

"Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off."

Sure discribes you to a T, bubba.

LMAO

I actually was waiting for your ad hom....saw it coming....

get a job !

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-23   18:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike (#59)

As this cuts both ways, the need to keep management and the workers honest, collective bargaining and unionization is a good thing. Rarely if ever have I met any employer who was honest enough or had enough common sense enough that there was no room for empowering employees and giving them a voice at the table in regard to their jobs.

I'm in an odd position because I have a huge bundle to bring to this "table" thing, and also grew up on stories of UAW protecting lazy good-for-nothings.

I recuse myself from further addressing that post.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   19:00:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Dakmar (#61)

Its what we used to call a total asshole going around with a chip on its shoulder begging for someone to knock it off.

It's gone beyond that, there are now people being paid to walk around with a chip on their shoulder. -Dakmar

That is so true !!

Proxies for the ACLU, all the Tribes ADL/ZOA/Marxist Wacko/B'naiB'rith branches who profit from dissolution and conflict and balkanization...

"We feel better in a country we have severely weakened."

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-23   19:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: JCHarris (#64)

If you haven't already, do some research on Ford Foundation and Mecha. Eye-openning, to say the least.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   19:04:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Dakmar (#65)

Didn't you hear? The world jewish congress has announced that Hillary has been selected as the next president. She'll get everything fixed up OK. No worries.

Violence solves everything.
The uncertainty of the outcome is what frightens people.

Esso  posted on  2007-07-23   19:11:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Esso (#66)

Heil Hillary!

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   19:13:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#44)

"America" is really not my concern and anyone who thinks in such terms is a silly dope and fooling themselves. I will content myself to caring about my city and maybe my state- where I can actually have some sort of effect. I have no problem with any immigrant near me. No immigrant has ever mugged me, raped me, beat me, or murdered me or anyone I know. I haven't contracted leprosy or "killer TB" from a dirty third world mud person either. See- I don't get my concerns and fears from the "news". Mine are real. I tend to deal with people on a one on one level and not buy into ridiculous agenda driven ideological pap.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-07-23   19:16:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Dakmar (#67)

NO FATE

Violence solves everything.
The uncertainty of the outcome is what frightens people.

Esso  posted on  2007-07-23   19:20:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Esso (#69)

A vote for Fred Thompson is a drop of rubber cement stretching between Hillary's large white bum and the Oval Office!

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-23   19:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

They are going to have to allow them the time to pray. They have a constitutional right to freedom of religion under the First Amendment, and this is not such a big issue it can't be worked out in an agreeable fashion.

I do not support allowing cabbies to dictate what their passengers carry with them as has been the controversy in recent years, but their is no reason to begrudge people time to prey during set praying times.

Christians who's sect demands they go to church on Sunday, or Orthodox Jews who observe the Sabbath are respected and not sanctioned if their bosses would prefer they work those days, so there is precedent to respect these people's religion too.

I think this story is partly bogus anyway. Swift and other slaughter plants are desperate for workers, and it's one REALLY nasty, exhausting job. In the best of times, turnover is 100 percent a year. It sounds like these people were not scheduling their breaks, just walking off the line. Companies like this will do what they have to to retain workers.

Mekons4  posted on  2007-07-23   19:29:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Rupert_Pupkin, ferret mike, Burkeman1 (#31) (Edited)

The optimal solution to this problem is not to have unassimilated people with alien customs living among us to begin with. If people want to come here and continue to live and think as if they're still in Somalia or Pakistan, the logical thing to do is to encourage them to go back rather than trying to "accomodate" them.

Get US troops out of the Arab/Muslim world and Arab/Muslim immigrants out of the US and Europe. What part of that is so difficult for people?

Most sensible post I've seen so far on this thread.

It goes against human nature to have various peoples living under one roof so to speak, throughout history it has spelled doom for any and every society that became multicultural.

Some people can think they are too highly "educated" or humane or what have you to become bigoted under such circumstances, but human nature can't be changed and any multicultural society will self destruct, it simply does not work.

Diana  posted on  2007-07-23   19:50:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Ferret Mike (#50)

But it was a busy day, and they were short people, so I took mercy on them. Terrible thing for someone of Wicca to do, yes? ;-)

We've probably all worked holidays - I certainly have.

But it's important that you take care of your job so that the place keeps running (and they can pay you) and you don't get fired (and they continue to pay you).

Walking off a line shuts it down, screws up everyone and production. This should have been brought up during the hiring process by the employees (their religion, therefore their responsibility) or they should have simply asked for a different shift.

Most people are willing to make accomodations, especially religious ones, but they need to be accomodations that can be made without disrupting the entire organization.

BlueEyedGirl  posted on  2007-07-23   22:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Ferret Mike (#59)

more data...

I got curious so I did some checking. According to the majority of Islamic Scholars and various fatwas I found via Google, (about 20-30) - the consensus is that is the responsibility of the BELIEVER and not the EMPLOYER to deal with this mess.

The BELIEVER is to ensure that he does not take a job that conflicts with his religious obligations.

So, they aren't even practicing Islam if they take a job that interferes with their religious obligations. I'll email this stuff to Swift and see if they get a giggle out of it.

I'll check with our local Imam tomorrow but I bet he'll concur.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-07-23   22:52:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: mirage (#74)

Thanks for the info. That still might be their take on this, but not mine personally.

I still feel both sides need to sit down and work out their differences, and that won't ever change. Workers generally get the shaft in the United States, and I always have more sympathy for them. All I will say for management is I have sympathy for them, and none for stockholders what so ever.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   23:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Ferret Mike (#75)

I still feel both sides need to sit down and work out their differences, and that won't ever change.

They should, but it should be up-front and before there is a confrontation, not after. It takes 'two' to have a problem and generally only one to defuse it or allay it.

As with all things, there is plenty of blame to go around, but it appears that the majority goes with the employee in *this* case.

In a different case....well, it has to be looked at individually. There isn't a 'wide net' that can be cast - elsewise we get a problem like a Bill of Attainder and that just isn't cool.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2007-07-23   23:25:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: mirage (#76) (Edited)

Thanks for your input on this. You and others certainly gave me valuble perspective on this case. I have not changed my view that these folks should have a right to pray and that accomidation for this should be made, but you have brought up good points that are impossible to ignore. Thanks.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   23:27:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Diana (#72)

It goes against human nature to have various peoples living under one roof so to speak, throughout history it has spelled doom for any and every society that became multicultural.

Thanks for the support.

My basic position is this - I can well understand how much people in the Arab world, Latin America, etc. resent the presence of Americans, troops or otherwise, in their countries. So why is it so unreasonable to say that while I sympathize with that, I don't want them in my backyard either? If I wanted to live among Somalis, I would move to Somalia.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-24   11:31:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Burkeman1 (#68)

I have no problem with any immigrant near me. No immigrant has ever mugged me, raped me, beat me, or murdered me or anyone I know. I haven't contracted leprosy or "killer TB" from a dirty third world mud person either. See- I don't get my concerns and fears from the "news". Mine are real. I tend to deal with people on a one on one level and not buy into ridiculous agenda driven ideological pap.

I suppose that Arabs and Africans rioting and burning in Paris and other French cities two years ago was just "ideological pap" and not real? Or the fact that US/Mexico border cities have some of the highest crime rates combined with the lowest standards of living and education levels is also "ideological pap"?

Is it also your implied position that we should open our borders for anyone from anywhere and turn the US into a giant, multicultural boarding house for the dregs of third world countries?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-24   11:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#79)

Yes- it is ideological pap. As each thing is different from the other- with different reasons, backrounds, and causes. Lumped together by agenda driven ideological weasals and great simplifiers for fearful stupid dopes like you to suck up.

Yes- the great Moooslim riots in france that had less death and physical violence than a typical friday night nation wide theater release of a movie about Tupac in this country.

Yeah- just lump that together in with Mexicans of the Southwest- and then lump that in with education and blah blah . . . oooh, I am so afraid.

My implied position is to ignore agenda driven ideological bozos who embrace great big fear inducing statistics and talk about big macro threats- that I don't see on the personal level.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-07-24   16:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Burkeman1 (#80)

Yes- the great Moooslim riots in france that had less death and physical violence than a typical friday night nation wide theater release of a movie about Tupac in this country.

For sure, you are a fraud Burky.

Semites are all brothers.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-24   16:05:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Burkeman1 (#80) (Edited)

My implied position is to ignore agenda driven ideological bozos who embrace great big fear inducing statistics and talk about big macro threats- that I don't see on the personal level...

Yeah- just lump that together in with Mexicans of the Southwest- and then lump that in with education

Translation: if something is not right in front of my snout and doesn't affect me personally, than it can't possibly be a problem. If you aren't in the middle of rioting Africans, it's not an issue. If you don't live in sight of border shanty towns, whey then, they aren't a problem either. That's why gated community types never see anything the matter with Third World immigration - it's somebody else's issue. So go ahead, bury your head in the sand and pretend that the social and economic problems caused by Third World immigration don't exist.

And the idea that there's a mass media or political conspiracy to discredit third world immigrants is the biggest joke of them all. In case you're too much of an idiot or an ignoramus to notice, both the Bush administration and its supposed Democratic "opponents" support amnesty and share the exact same views on Third World immigration as you do. If anyone has been swindled by mass propaganda by the establishment it's you.

Finally, if you can't see a common denominator between the problems African immigrants cause in Europe and those that Third World immigrants cause in America, then you are either a moron or dishonest. I suspect a combination of both.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-24   16:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#82)

Kudos, R_P. Yours was a wonderful reply to an ignorant statement. The internationalists among us fail to recognize the invasion across the Mexican border is not an accident. It is a premeditated action meant to be part of a larger plan to submerge the United States in a regional bloc of nations including Canada and Mexico. If these internationalist plans are implemented we can kiss the Constitution goodbye, whatever is left, and tear up the Declaration of Independence. Those who choose to ignore the invasion are no better that the invaders themselves and deserve the same fate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-24   17:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#82)

No- its called not being a dope fool taken in by shysters who pedal fear. Most "problems" big national groups or "movements" pedal on ANY issue are a load of shit and someone's agenda.

Blah blah- oh the turd worlders are coming eeeek. Here is this stat and that stat and Oh my how scary! Crap and pig spunk. All of it. You want to fear something- give me a million dollars and a staff of 6 and I could have you fearing the Tse Tse fly or Nepalese Maoist guerillas coming to get you.

Like I said- you suck up great big lumped stats from fear mongers with agendas who spew their shit over an entire country of 300 hundred plus million. And then not only that but lump in Moooslems in Europe into the mix. What a tard you are.

I DON'T care about Southwest Anglos and THEIR immigration problem. I can't do anything about it- nor do I want to get involved and anyone who doesn't live there who says they do care and wants to help is a liar with an agenda and their own motives.

I care about my city and to a lessor extent my state. I don't have a problem wiht immigrants here. In fact- few people do- it isn't an issue that we whine about or that we particulary fear. You do? You got a problem with the diryty mud people? Fine- do whatever you want. I could care less- just as long as you don't seek to use the FEDS to impose your silly dope fears on the entire country.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-07-24   17:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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