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Title: Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment
Source: FOXNews.com
URL Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290324,00.html
Published: Jul 22, 2007
Author: staff
Post Date: 2007-07-22 20:19:36 by JCHarris
Keywords: None
Views: 1207
Comments: 84

Muslim Workers at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Complain of Religious Harassment

Sunday , July 22, 2007

OMAHA, Neb. — Supervisors at a meatpacking plant have fired or harassed dozens of Somali Muslim employees for trying to pray at sunset, violating civil rights laws, the workers and their advocates say.

The five- to 10-minute prayer, known as the maghrib, must be done within a 45-minute window around sunset, according to Muslim rules. The workers at the Swift & Co. plant in Grand Island say they quit, were fired or were verbally and physically harassed over the issue.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has drafted a complaint to be filed with the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The petition compiles testimony from at least 44 workers who had planned to sign the complaint during a meeting Sunday. The signing was changed to a later date because of a logistical problem.

Jama Mohamed, 28, said he was fired in June for leaving a production line to pray. Supervisors would not allow him a break, he said.

"Some of them took the (prayer) mat from me; they started shouting, they started telling me to stop it, and one of them grabbed me by the collar of my shirt," Mohamed said through an interpreter.

"I was crying at the time this was happening to me, and when I finished I told them while they were doing that I was in the middle of a prayer."

Mohamed said he was then called to an office, where a supervisor fired him.

Mohamed Rage, chairman of the Omaha Somali-American Community Organization, said Swift had fired at least two dozen workers for praying since May.

Donald Selzer, an attorney for Greeley, Colo.-based Swift, said only three Somali workers were fired for reasons relating to the issue, and that it was for walking off the line without permission, not for praying.

Unscheduled breaks can force unplanned shutdowns of lines, Selzer said.

"That is a significant number of employees, and there is not much of a way to accommodate that consistent with keeping the production online," he said.

The complaint reprises issues that boiled over in May, when 120 Somali workers abruptly quit for similar reasons. About 70 returned a week later, but union officials worried the issue would resurface through the late spring as sunset came later in the evening shift.

"For three days it was all good and we were praying; there was no hassle, no interference, nothing at all," said Ali Schire, 30, who said he returned to the plant but was later fired for trying to pray.

"All of a sudden after three days it just all got loose, and they were suspending people, they were firing people," Schire said through an interpreter. "Some of the people even had to give up praying at all for fear of being fired."

Said Selzer: "These people are absolutely entitled to pray, and they should not be interfered with for doing so. But on the other hand, the only situations that I've been made aware of are people that walk off the job without permission, and that's a different kind of an issue."

Dan Hoppes, president of Local 22 of the United Food and Commercial Workers Union, said he had not heard of many Somali workers being fired or harassed since May. Prayer breaks are not in the contract, he said, but he hopes to revisit the issue in negotiations in 2010.

Swift rejected a suggestion by the Council on American-Islamic Relations to allow the Somalis who work evenings to leave in smaller shifts to avoid disrupting lines, said Rima Kapitan, an attorney with the group.

The company suggested phasing evening workers to shifts earlier in the day that did not interrupt prayer times, Selzer and Hoppes said.

"We're perfectly happy to try to pursue that angle so that we don't have this conflict," Selzer said. "But given the people who are on the second shift — many of whom prefer to be there — this sort of presents the operational realities."

Mohamed said it is important for Muslims to pray within scheduled times and not to postpone prayers or say them early.

"I would never forgive myself and God would not forgive me if I do not pray on time because I want to earn some money," he said.

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#4. To: JCHarris (#0)

They are going to have to allow them the time to pray. They have a constitutional right to freedom of religion under the First Amendment, and this is not such a big issue it can't be worked out in an agreeable fashion.

I do not support allowing cabbies to dictate what their passengers carry with them as has been the controversy in recent years, but their is no reason to begrudge people time to prey during set praying times.

Christians who's sect demands they go to church on Sunday, or Orthodox Jews who observe the Sabbath are respected and not sanctioned if their bosses would prefer they work those days, so there is precedent to respect these people's religion too.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-22   20:32:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ferret Mike (#4)

They are going to have to allow them the time to pray. They have a constitutional right to freedom of religion under the First Amendment, and this is not such a big issue it can't be worked out in an agreeable fashion.

I do not support allowing cabbies to dictate what their passengers carry with them as has been the controversy in recent years, but their is no reason to begrudge people time to prey during set praying times.

Christians who's sect demands they go to church on Sunday, or Orthodox Jews who observe the Sabbath are respected and not sanctioned if their bosses would prefer they work those days, so there is precedent to respect these people's religion too.

If they had tried that during their probationary periods before they were admitted to the union they'd have been fired and they'd have no recourse.

So, they timed the moments of their "persecution", which is to say they didn't observe that "prayer window" when they knew they could be fired with no reasons even being required. So, if they didn't ask for and receive accommodation prior to commencement of employment they cannot demand it after slipping into the union.

And, I bet they didn't punch out, either. Their "right to pray" means "right to be paid to pray". And, they have to wash before returning to work. Their 10 minute prayer break is probably 30 minutes.

This is a good example of what to expect when their numbers are such as to encourage their true belligerence.

They are in a culture war and half the fun of their religion is weaponizing it against non Muslims.

And the same 1st amendment also guarantees freedom of the press, speech, assembly and the right to petition for redress of grievances.

Do they have a right to take unscheduled breaks to publish religious/political newspapers and/or attend protests? Since when is a company required to endorse/subsidize political and/or religious views on their time and property?

Also, does their right to religion entitle them to wear religious headgear instead of hairnets for instance?

They have the right to find an employer who will accommodate them or start their own companies or stay home.

The company probably arranged their visas and saved them from starvation and endelss tribal warfare and this is how the ingrates repay them?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-07-23   1:00:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#9)

If they had tried that during their probationary periods before they were admitted to the union they'd have been fired and they'd have no recourse.

So, they timed the moments of their "persecution", which is to say they didn't observe that "prayer window" when they knew they could be fired with no reasons even being required. So, if they didn't ask for and receive accommodation prior to commencement of employment they cannot demand it after slipping into the union.

And, I bet they didn't punch out, either. Their "right to pray" means "right to be paid to pray". And, they have to wash before returning to work. Their 10 minute prayer break is probably 30 minutes.

This needs to translate to:

The right to be unemployed, and

The right to starve.

BlueEyedGirl  posted on  2007-07-23   11:34:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BlueEyedGirl (#25)

They have a right to reasonable accoumidation with their prayer times, and Muslim prayers are generally known to be time specific. Therefore, there is no prior notification they needed to do before they were employed.

Whet there definately is in this country is too much anti-Muslim bigotry, and not only do the extremists Muslims need to reach accomidation with others not of their faith, the same holds true to anti-Muslim 'jihadists.' This cuts both ways.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-23   15:29:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#29) (Edited)

The optimal solution to this problem is not to have unassimilated people with alien customs living among us to begin with. If people want to come here and continue to live and think as if they're still in Somalia or Pakistan, the logical thing to do is to encourage them to go back rather than trying to "accomodate" them.

Get US troops out of the Arab/Muslim world and Arab/Muslim immigrants out of the US and Europe. What part of that is so difficult for people?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-23   16:29:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#31)

The optimal solution to this problem is not to have unassimilated people with alien customs living among us to begin with.

Who is "us"? I don't know what "customs" the people who live next to me practice.

If people want to come here and continue to live and think as if they're still in Somalia or Pakistan, the logical thing to do is to encourage them to go back rather than trying to "accomodate" them.

No, the logical thing to do is mind your own business and get a life. What is a Somali suppossed to do to become "American"? Run up credit card debt, buy shit they don't need, and gain 50 pounds of blubber? I haven't had to "accomodate" anyone and I don't care if they choose to practive their own peculiar customs either. No skin off my nose- not my concern.

Now I know there are 'mercans who get all in a tizzy if they are asked to "press one" on an automated help line- but frankly- they need to get an effing life. If your own "customs" and beliefs are so pathetically weak that you are threatened by the robust and unashamed practice of "alien" customs by a small number of immigrants- if you are that insecure- then you are the problem- not the dirty mooslims.

Ideally, these Mooslem workers would have worked out an arraingement with their boss a long time ago (or not and just got new jobs). But since everyone in this country can literally make a federal case out of anything (and is encouraged by what passes for a "culture" in this country to do so) these mooslems are doing nothing more than what they have been encouraged to do since they got here- take everything as a insult- dig your heels in and don't dare forge bonds with anyone else- because you don't have too - the federal Gubmint government will protect even your feelings.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-07-23   18:07:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Burkeman1 (#38)

No, the logical thing to do is mind your own business and get a life. What is a Somali suppossed to do to become "American"?

I take that to mean that you haven't the slightest objection to seeing America overrun with millions of third world immigrants, and that anyone who does object should simply smile, shrug his shoulders and "get a life."

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-23   18:22:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#44)

"America" is really not my concern and anyone who thinks in such terms is a silly dope and fooling themselves. I will content myself to caring about my city and maybe my state- where I can actually have some sort of effect. I have no problem with any immigrant near me. No immigrant has ever mugged me, raped me, beat me, or murdered me or anyone I know. I haven't contracted leprosy or "killer TB" from a dirty third world mud person either. See- I don't get my concerns and fears from the "news". Mine are real. I tend to deal with people on a one on one level and not buy into ridiculous agenda driven ideological pap.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-07-23   19:16:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Burkeman1 (#68)

I have no problem with any immigrant near me. No immigrant has ever mugged me, raped me, beat me, or murdered me or anyone I know. I haven't contracted leprosy or "killer TB" from a dirty third world mud person either. See- I don't get my concerns and fears from the "news". Mine are real. I tend to deal with people on a one on one level and not buy into ridiculous agenda driven ideological pap.

I suppose that Arabs and Africans rioting and burning in Paris and other French cities two years ago was just "ideological pap" and not real? Or the fact that US/Mexico border cities have some of the highest crime rates combined with the lowest standards of living and education levels is also "ideological pap"?

Is it also your implied position that we should open our borders for anyone from anywhere and turn the US into a giant, multicultural boarding house for the dregs of third world countries?

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-07-24   11:36:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#79)

Yes- it is ideological pap. As each thing is different from the other- with different reasons, backrounds, and causes. Lumped together by agenda driven ideological weasals and great simplifiers for fearful stupid dopes like you to suck up.

Yes- the great Moooslim riots in france that had less death and physical violence than a typical friday night nation wide theater release of a movie about Tupac in this country.

Yeah- just lump that together in with Mexicans of the Southwest- and then lump that in with education and blah blah . . . oooh, I am so afraid.

My implied position is to ignore agenda driven ideological bozos who embrace great big fear inducing statistics and talk about big macro threats- that I don't see on the personal level.

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-07-24   16:02:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Burkeman1 (#80)

Yes- the great Moooslim riots in france that had less death and physical violence than a typical friday night nation wide theater release of a movie about Tupac in this country.

For sure, you are a fraud Burky.

Semites are all brothers.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-24   16:05:20 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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