Loose Change producer Korey Rowe confirms through mobile phone video (see video below) that he has now been released after his arrest yesterday-- which Rowe and many other believe was politically motivated.
Rowe extends his thanks to the 9/11 truth community and all others involved in making phone calls, writing stories and otherwise pressuring his release from military custody after he was hauled in on accusations of desertion. Rowe is an Army veteran who served in combat tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq.
Rowe states that he is now on his way from Boston Airport to Fort Campbell in order to verify his status is cleared so that he will be a "political prisoner" no more.
He warns Screw Loose Change and other neo-con blogs who celebrated his arrest that he's "not going anywhere." Stay tuned for updates as they develop...
Poster Comment:
Maybe, just maybe, enough Americans can set aside their petty differences long enough to restore their country, their dignity, and their possibility of a free future ! C'mon, let's be free !!!
Rowe states that he is now on his way from Boston Airport to Fort Campbell in order to verify his status is cleared so that he will be a "political prisoner" no more.
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Rowe states that he is now on his way from Boston Airport to Fort Campbell in order to verify his status is cleared so that he will be a "political prisoner" no more.
I don't understand why a trip to Fort Campbell is necessary to verify his status--that can be done via faxes, phone calls and/or regular mail or by merely presenting discharge paperwork.
Either he has a DD-214 or he doesn't. Either he has ETSed into the inactive reserve or he hasn't. Either he has a final discharge or he doesn't. All this paperwork is handed to you when you leave the Army. Why the confusion? Why the apprehension for desertion? Why the trip to Campbell?
That being said, any person participating in a effort to open people's eyes to 09/11--get people asking questions about 09/11--such as the Loose Change DVD does, is my ally. That is the big picture.
That Rowe is involved in some sort of apparent military paperwork snafu is not of major concern to me. It does seem to be a matter which could be handled in a much less complicated approach.
I don't understand why a trip to Fort Campbell is necessary to verify his status--that can be done via faxes, phone calls and/or regular mail or by merely presenting discharge paperwork.
Either he has a DD-214 or he doesn't. Either he has ETSed into the inactive reserve or he hasn't. Either he has a final discharge or he doesn't. All this paperwork is handed to you when you leave the Army. Why the confusion? Why the apprehension for desertion? Why the trip to Campbell?
That being said, any person participating in a effort to open people's eyes to 09/11--get people asking questions about 09/11--such as the Loose Change DVD does, is my ally. That is the big picture.
Why? Because he's lying his ass off, that's why.
And if your ally's credibility goes down in flames so does LOOSE CHANGE.
Just wait a few days and you'll see that the movement has lost its momentum and activists will now spend their energy stamping out fires and in other purely defensive activities.
Then tell me again how "any person participating in a effort to open people's eyes to 09/11--get people asking questions about 09/11--such as the Loose Change DVD does, is" your ally. Like it or not there are some people you don't want associated with the movement. You could do without Robert Hansen's or Jonathan Pollard's support, for instance. And, in the minds of the 90 percentile there is no diff between those convicted spies and a deserter.
That's like saying that a woman who supports the "chastity until marriage" movement is your ally, and one little ol' video of her sucking off a darkie through a barbed wire fence won't change your opinion of her.
And, in the minds of the 90 percentile there is no diff between those convicted spies and a deserter.
I still think you are WAY overestimating this number. The Iraq War is extremely unpopular right now. Do you really think that ninety percent of Americans really care that a kid deserted the army? We live in a time when draft dodgers routinely get elected to high offices. Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney were draft dodgers. GW Bush never served in a war. I just don't think a majority of folks will care about this story.
That's not to say that your other points are not valid. I do not know if Rowe is legit or not. But I just don't see this "story" having the effect that you predict.
Do you really think that ninety percent of Americans really care that a kid deserted the army?
Do you think they'd let you cite him as a source of information when attacking the govt that they reflexively defend? Just because career politicians are sweating re-election doesn't mean that voters are willing to admit their mistakes.
Save your energy because you're going to need it. You're going to talk yourself blue in the face and no one give you the satisfaction of agreeing with you because they don't have to now.
And I think you're WAAAAY OVER ESTIMATING the effectiveness of your liar as compared to theirs.
Do you think they'd let you cite him as a source of information when attacking the govt that they reflexively defend? Just because career politicians are sweating re-election doesn't mean that voters are willing to admit their mistakes.
Save your energy because you're going to need it. You're going to talk yourself blue in the face and no one give you the satisfaction of agreeing with you because they don't have to now.
And I think you're WAAAAY OVER ESTIMATING the effectiveness of your liar as compared to theirs.
Sorry Dawg, I'm not involved with any "truther" group and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm merely a political observer, and my observation is that your logic is a non sequitur and difficult to follow here.
You and that other snot nose don't know shit about how things work.
The fast that glaring contradictions are in front of your nose and you don't see them is ample evidence that you can't discern between the world you want and the real world.
Even before David Duke was a convicted felon (he lied to his supporters in fund raising letters, by the way. He pleaded for money while rolling the dice in casinos) he was denied the opportunity to run as a Democrat by the party to which he was a lifelong member and the courts upheld it.
The fact that Duke has written some great things about the Zionist criminal cartel doesn't change the fact that he will never be a national leader, and your hero worship can't change that.
I sent him money when your idea of a good time was sitting in front of the TV set, watching Bugs Bunny and gnawing on a Fudgecicle.
You're idealism is not unusual for a young person, but it has no place in real world matters, such as, "How did this liar go from custody on a federal warrant to non custody without a hearing, and if he was charged with desertion then how would he be released on bail at all?"
So like that other shitbird (who probably worships fatass Alex Jones) to whom you are clinging and enabling, you're projecting others' hatred of your hero onto me and ignoring the real issues.
You're way out of your depth, and I've never insulted you so, think again before interpreting my kindness for weakness. I can and will send you home crying to your mama.
ONEONTA _ A trip last week to film the former Griffiss Air Force Base in Rome led to the arrest of Oneonta resident Korey Rowe for allegedly deserting from the Army in 2005.
Air Force Office of Special Investigations personnel notified the Oneonta Police Department there was an outstanding desertion warrant for Rowe, city Police Lt. Cameron Allison said.
"An individual was warned about taking pictures on military property in Rome, N.Y.," Allison said Wednesday. "The vehicle was registered to Korey Rowe."
The case was handed over to Otsego County sheriff’s deputies, who arrested Rowe on Monday night, Allison said.
A source close to Rowe’s family said the 24-year-old was at the end of his active-duty enlistment in the summer of 2005 and was trying to avoid serving a second tour of duty in Iraq under the Army’s stop-loss policy. That policy, in place since the end of the Vietnam War, authorizes the military in wartime to keep a soldier beyond his or her active-duty enlistment termination date.
Rowe, a member of the Oneonta-based film production company Louder Than Words, was apprehended at his county Route 47 home by sheriff’s deputies bearing a military warrant for desertion. Louder Than Words is working on a third edition of "Loose Change," a documentary challenging the official government account of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Dylan Avery, the creator of the original "Loose Change film," said he was in Rome alone to film the base and was driving the car.
The base is home to the Northeast Air Defense Sector, a component of North American Aerospace Defense Command.
Military police from Fort Drum picked Rowe up from the Otsego County jail Wednesday morning, and he was driven back to the Watertown base.
"We’ve talked to him. He’s fine. And he should be back home soon," Avery, a childhood friend, said.
Rowe is expecting to be processed out of the Army in a week or two, he added.
"That’s the impression he’s getting," Avery said.
Commanders have a range of administrative, non-judicial and judicial tools at their disposal to address acts of absence without leave and desertion, according to an Army fact sheet on desertion.
"Mr. Rowe’s case will follow the same procedures and policies as any other soldier," Army spokesman Anthony O’Bryant said Wednesday.
He said the Army could not comment on the details of an individual personnel matter.
If a soldier is found guilty through a court martial, five years is the maximum term of confinement for AWOL or desertion under normal circumstances, according to the fact sheet.
Although the death penalty is on the books as a punishment for desertion during wartime, it has not been used in the modern era.
Judicial and non-judicial penalties also include "no punishment" or a dishonorable discharge, according to the fact sheet.
"The overwhelming majority of soldiers are ready to serve," O’Bryant said.
He added annual desertions are less than 1 percent of the 500,000-strong force.
When soldiers desert or go AWOL, a warrant is issued for their arrest, and in a lot of cases, the Army simply waits for a deserter to show up in the law- enforcement system after a traffic stop or other encounter, O’Bryant said.
"It’s not that it’s not a high priority, but as you can imagine, there are a lot of other things going on," he said.
The source close to Rowe’s family said the family only learned after his arrest Monday that he was wanted for desertion.
But a handful of Rowe’s close friends knew he had not been "totally released," the source said.
In the summer of 2005 and with just a short time before his four-year enlistment was to expire, Rowe was arrested in the town of Oneonta for driving while intoxicated, the source said.
A routine check revealed he was AWOL, and he was taken into custody by Fort Drum military police, the source added.
However, once he was in Fort Drum, Rowe was released on his own recognizance to appear at his duty base with the 101st Airborne in Fort Campbell, Ky., the source said.
Rowe returned to Fort Campbell where he was told he would be "immediately" sent back to Iraq, and after unsuccessfully trying to fight the stop-loss order and AWOL charge, he decided to desert, the source said.
"He had honestly felt he had done his time," the source said.
An infantryman, Rowe served with the 101st on a six-month tour of Afghanistan in 2002 and a nearly year-long tour in Kuwait and Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom.
But Rowe did not keep a low profile after the summer of 2005.
Along with other members of Louder Than Words, Rowe conducted radio interviews and was even featured in Vanity Fair magazine in August 2006.
The group was to have appeared on ABC’s "The View" on May 24, but the lineup of the show was changed after an on-screen fight May 23 between co-hosts Rosie O’Donnell and Elisabeth Hasselbeck.
O’Donnell has since left the show.
Rowe is a headstrong individual, the source said when asked why he didn’t go underground: "He felt that it was his responsibility to let the American people know about 9/11."
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I found this link on another forum. Apparently this started back in 2005, and it was known that he had not completed his enlistment.
Rowe returned to Fort Campbell where he was told he would be "immediately" sent back to Iraq, and after unsuccessfully trying to fight the stop-loss order and AWOL charge, he decided to desert, the source said.
"He had honestly felt he had done his time," the source said.
Even with discharge papers in hand he is a member of the inactive reserve component for years and therefore legally subject to stop loss.
Knowing this, do you still agree with his position?
To do so is to simply state that you believe in disregarding laws which are not convenient for you, and pretending that if you bury your head then they don't apply to you.
And, if the source is correct and he knew he wasn't out of the woods (and I believe that) then, he was counting on his popularity and some silly Americans' tendency to make stars of anyone in the news (including Ted Bundy, who received marriage proposals from "women who understood him") and Korey was wrapping himself in the moral mantle of 9/11 truth for selfish reasons.
I don't want an immature, narcissistic asshole telling me anything, and he's certainly in no position to criticize the govt for ignoring laws that don't fit their agenda or lecture anyone on right or wrong.
People who lead the attack on the evil ones must have clean hands. Because if "perception is reality" and FOX NEWS creates the perceptions for the majority then Korey is a liability except in the minds of sicko women who are taken in by his good looks and pisswilly men looking for heroes and who don't care what he did. (Many of his generation just don't get it. Because they've always slipped the noose their entire lives and never been in situations that their mommies or their daddys' lawyers couldn't extricate them from. And, when they do find themselves in such a situation for the first time they're simply amazed, and they lash out out people like me who believe in absolute right or wrong instead of self serving situational ethics, which is what got us in this mess in the first place.)
Like it or not he volunteered, and as such he became US govt property. He signed away his rights and he, like service members who were lined up to witness atomic blasts may be used for whatever experiments (including untested and possibly harmful vaccines which he was probably given-did he have the right to refuse those?) the govt sees fit to use him for. If they refuse and are willing to accept the dire consequnces that is honorable. But, to refuse and demand that the law shouldn't apply is the type of treatment that too many sons of privilege (like Bush) have come to expect.
Officers can resign their commissions, enlisted men and women cannot. He knew or through the exercise of reasonable care should have known that before he signed up, and he certainly knew that when he in a most cowardly fashion chose to seek the safety of OUR numbers, even though such safety doesn't exist and he could do irreparable harm to the 9/11 truth effort. In short, he had little to gain and Americans have much to lose but he was willing to risk it for his own sake and to Hell with everyone else.
Now if he said, "Screw you I ain't doing it" and was willing to go to Leavenworth he'd have my respect. But, for him to post professionally done pix of his handsome self (Hell, even I, my ugly old ass got amazing responses after posting my pics from women no older than my kids!) and to cozy up to an issue that is dear to many heartsick and frightened Americans without telling us that he could be a liability and be used to discredit the honest work of others, well, that makes him a fucking selfish, lying scumbag in my book.
(If he could bring down the administration just to avoid serving another year, would he do it? "Oh, no, he's much too honorable for that! he really believes in the patriot movement (patriotism is subject to his narrow definition of course) and, you're exaggerating his importance, DAWG!") Well, we'll see, won't we? When they spring some distorted version of this fiasco on the people on FEB 4th, the day before most Republican primaries and hold the deserter up as the "typical Ron Paul supporter" and there's not time to 'splain it all, then you'll see what I mean.)
If he did that to my group (LOOSE CHANGE or the RON PAUL CAMPAIGN) after I went to all the effort to establish credibility and make my attack on the govt bulletproof I'd want his head on a pike! And the assholes who are attacking me will be flabbergasted to learn that the American people are that stupid and can be so easily deceived on primary day!
Of course I don't have the instinct to mother that handsome lad, so, some may disagree.
My apologies to any Little Bo Peeps who may be offended.
"Stop loss".....thank you. That was a term I was grasping for on another thread regarding this matter. There was a big brou ha ha within the last year or so about this issue in that there weren't enough troops available to do the dirty work over there, what with the national guard being used as regulars, and the like.
I certainly can't and won't argue against your argument or debate points because I agree fully.
I've always noticed the other guy can make all sorts of 'outrageous' statements or comments and is never called on them, but let me or one of my kind make a statement and instantly the demand is for proof, for verification, for citations, etc. BAC was a classic example of this.
And if people can't see this and opt to back a loser, then the cause loses. I would no more be interested in reading a book by g.w.bush, entitled, "The Truth and Why it Matters" than I would be in watching a documentary made by someone who has said they didn't worry about the truth, or getting the full story, or words to that effect.