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Title: Korey Rowe Released from Jail
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Jones Report
URL Source: http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/250707_rowe_released.html
Published: Jul 26, 2007
Author: Staff
Post Date: 2007-07-26 07:06:23 by noone222
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Loose Change producer Korey Rowe confirms through mobile phone video (see video below) that he has now been released after his arrest yesterday-- which Rowe and many other believe was politically motivated. Rowe extends his thanks to the 9/11 truth community and all others involved in making phone calls, writing stories and otherwise pressuring his release from military custody after he was hauled in on accusations of desertion. Rowe is an Army veteran who served in combat tours in both Afghanistan and Iraq. Rowe states that he is now on his way from Boston Airport to Fort Campbell in order to verify his status is cleared so that he will be a "political prisoner" no more. He warns Screw Loose Change and other neo-con blogs who celebrated his arrest that he's "not going anywhere." Stay tuned for updates as they develop...
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#1. To: noone222, *9-11* (#0)
bump!
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So, he's flying commercial and that can't be explained. He should be flying CON AIR (US MARSHALS) or in military custody and the fact that he's talking on cell phones is strong evidence that he's a govt friendly. Anyone who believes that phone calls caused an attack of conscience hasn't been paying attention. Our govt executes its enemies and rewards it friends. It looks like he's getting the Scooter Libby treatment.
Right, good news, something like; "ENEMY OF ISRAEL, BUSHCO AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS GETTING FAIR AND GENTLE TREATMENT IN GOVT CUSTODY!". What are the odds?
I can't blame anyone for being sceptical in the current era of dis-info and propaganda. Some of the distrust is deserved and some is simply self-inflicted paranoia. Some find fault with Loose Change because of errors, some find fault because the Loose Change theories disagree with their own. Regardless of which theory is correct or incorrect as to the specifics of what actually happened on that morning they are completely irrelevant to disproving the governments obvious bullshit story. On that I think we can all agree. Is it possible that Korey Rowe is an infiltrator or an agent ? I suppose it is. I hope he's just another person that's sick and tired of this tyranny and willing to join the effort to expose and dispose of the perps. I have often thought about how we can organize a resistance to the police state. The difficulty being that we have become unable to trust anyone. What the solution to this problem is has escaped me.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
All good points. This 4um should be a place to speculate, raise/generate ideas and generally discuss the merits of any theory. Andreas von Bülow said the govt's official account of 9/11 is laughable. Furthermore, he said that it is not his duty to figure out what really did happen. I agree, but that doesn't mean we cannot try to.
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That is the only way that police states can survive. They have done their job well thus far. Leaderless resistance seems to be the only choice now.
amen bump
I have to admit that it is pretty silly for them to arrest him 1 day and release him the next. and this is the 2'nd time this is done. could very well be just as you said.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
IF Korey had revealed this secret and not misrepresented the facts he'd have absolute credibility. BUT if he says "I didn't mention it because I didn't want the govt to notice me" while becoming one of the more visible persons involved in the 9/11 movement then would you buy that crock? And, before we go any farther someone, EVERYONE should be demanding answers from Alex Jones. "Did you know Korey's secret? If so then why didn't you tell us? If no the go to B. B. Do you believe that a patriot in his right mind could do this and still be on the level? If no then disavow Korey, if yes then go to C. C. Don't you understand that one self serving lie is all the enemy needs to mitigate all of the damage we've done to their campaign to destroy America? What's the moral difference between a lying 9/11 researcher demanding truth and a hypocritical Republican womanizer sponsoring family values legislation? Now, Korey's generation may be so narcissistic and self absorbed that he doesn't understand or care how important credibility is, and, his desire to promote and insulate himself from govt retaliation was really the issue all along. But you, Alex, are old enough to understand that he couldn't have done more damage if he was sent in on a mission, and for you to lamely cling to things like "Korey is a political prisoner" greatly increases the likelihood that you are also a plant who will destroy the govt's enemies when you get the signal. The fact that you went into "explain and defend mode" (and defending the indefensible I might add) right out of the gate is proof positive that you don't give a damn whether the efforts to save America succeed. Did you think that Jeff Gannon was the only handsome chap in the neocon bag of tricks? Veterans who are a true threat to the govt get the Pat Tillman treatment. not the obvious "VIP prisoner" treatment (flying commercial, talking on cell phones, both unheard of for anyone in federal custody) that Korey is getting. He should be on a bus getting "diesel therapy" instead of calmly reassuring everyone that he is going to clear things up quickly and straighten the govt out. These anomalies at a time when the govt has never been so desperate make no sense at all unless Korey Rowe is working for the goddam government! Every time I look at you I see a fat assed govt shill who'd never have the courage to say those things unless that is your mission, too. And as long as there are people who express reservations about you but still watch your films and listen to your chat shows we'll have more evidence that the spirit of P.T Barnum is alive and well, and working inside the 9/11 "truth movement". Judging by your morbid weight gain I assume that sales of books and videos are really going well, huh, fatass?"
the truth is, it always has been.
If Korey returns and says it's all cleared up now and AJ vouches for him, will you trust him? Perhaps they pick him up when they need to debrief or further instruct him. That's how they do it on cop shows when they arrest their undercover narcs.
I don't understand why a trip to Fort Campbell is necessary to verify his status--that can be done via faxes, phone calls and/or regular mail or by merely presenting discharge paperwork. Either he has a DD-214 or he doesn't. Either he has ETSed into the inactive reserve or he hasn't. Either he has a final discharge or he doesn't. All this paperwork is handed to you when you leave the Army. Why the confusion? Why the apprehension for desertion? Why the trip to Campbell? That being said, any person participating in a effort to open people's eyes to 09/11--get people asking questions about 09/11--such as the Loose Change DVD does, is my ally. That is the big picture. That Rowe is involved in some sort of apparent military paperwork snafu is not of major concern to me. It does seem to be a matter which could be handled in a much less complicated approach.
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Excellent questions and observations. Thanks.
It all seems very irregular. I'm very much interested in learning the actual facts of this matter.
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Hmmmmmmmm.....I never knew that John Q. Public could just call up the military, raise a little hell, and get the results we want. Damn, have we all been missiing the boat! Man the phones everyone........we can call off this war in a heartbeat! Yeah. Right. Sure. Uh-huh. Elephants fly. Birds drop pots of real gold. Tigers can drive. Dorothy's shoes were really orange. But then, perhaps this was just someone tossing in a 'wishful' thinking sort of comment. I really have a problem with this fellow and his friends.........exactly when does the truth matter? When isn't it important to have factual data at hand to work for the truth/betterment/whatever? It concerns me that people on our side willingly forego the truth when we so despise it from the elites or the other side. And worse here regarding 911......if all we've been fed is lies, and then it is rebutted by lies, what's John Q Public supposed to believe? I don't see him/her joining either side, but merely turning further away from dealing with the problems of this nation.
I agree that something ain't quite right here.
It's a real downside to the internet, for sure. At the same time, large groups meeting in public, or private for that matter, in the real world, draw attention as well. Thinking back to our Biblical background......wasn't there something like 10,000 that met up with Gideon in the call to arms, and God had it weeded down to something like 300 men to do the job. I'm not saying that only a handful of patriots could reclaim the country, but perhaps for obvious reasons, there should be small groups working independent of each other, but yet united by DESIRE for freedom and liberty. Looking back in time, i.e., the Revolution, or battlefields, when ragtag groups met up or worked towards the goal. They didn't have the communications technology of today. But there has to be ways to defeat that technology......lesson learned perhaps from the Navajo talkers. Think outside the box. Act outside the box. JMO.
I would be more bold than your quote: C. Don't you understand that one self serving lie is all the enemy needs to mitigate all of the damage we've done to their campaign to destroy America? What's the moral difference between a lying 9/11 researcher demanding truth and a Both contribute to destruction.
I agree with you about the military discharge papers, and clearing things up via phone. My question is how do you pick and choose which liar regarding 911 to go with? The government liar or the research liar. I really have a hard time with someone trying to tell me my lying government is wrong, and all the while they are lying, distorting, and withholding evidence from me. Truth matters above all....at least to me. I mean, if you can't trust them to tell the truth about 911, how can you trust them to be truthful when they say they'll cover your back? Seems to me, in this case, at least, it is choosing the lesser of two evils......and I gave that shit up back in the 80s when trying to figure out the lesser of two evils to lead this nation!
Either he has a DD-214 or he doesn't. Either he has ETSed into the inactive reserve or he hasn't. Either he has a final discharge or he doesn't. All this paperwork is handed to you when you leave the Army. Why the confusion? Why the apprehension for desertion? Why the trip to Campbell? That being said, any person participating in a effort to open people's eyes to 09/11--get people asking questions about 09/11--such as the Loose Change DVD does, is my ally. That is the big picture. Why? Because he's lying his ass off, that's why. And if your ally's credibility goes down in flames so does LOOSE CHANGE. Just wait a few days and you'll see that the movement has lost its momentum and activists will now spend their energy stamping out fires and in other purely defensive activities. Then tell me again how "any person participating in a effort to open people's eyes to 09/11--get people asking questions about 09/11--such as the Loose Change DVD does, is" your ally. Like it or not there are some people you don't want associated with the movement. You could do without Robert Hansen's or Jonathan Pollard's support, for instance. And, in the minds of the 90 percentile there is no diff between those convicted spies and a deserter. That's like saying that a woman who supports the "chastity until marriage" movement is your ally, and one little ol' video of her sucking off a darkie through a barbed wire fence won't change your opinion of her.
I still think you are WAY overestimating this number. The Iraq War is extremely unpopular right now. Do you really think that ninety percent of Americans really care that a kid deserted the army? We live in a time when draft dodgers routinely get elected to high offices. Bill Clinton and Dick Cheney were draft dodgers. GW Bush never served in a war. I just don't think a majority of folks will care about this story. That's not to say that your other points are not valid. I do not know if Rowe is legit or not. But I just don't see this "story" having the effect that you predict.
Do you think they'd let you cite him as a source of information when attacking the govt that they reflexively defend? Just because career politicians are sweating re-election doesn't mean that voters are willing to admit their mistakes. Save your energy because you're going to need it. You're going to talk yourself blue in the face and no one give you the satisfaction of agreeing with you because they don't have to now. And I think you're WAAAAY OVER ESTIMATING the effectiveness of your liar as compared to theirs.
Ninety percent of Americans do not know, and most probably don't care, who Robert Hansen and Jonathan Pollard are. Your logic is rather odd.
Then why are you humping my leg? Fuck off and argue with someone else, okay asshole?
Save your energy because you're going to need it. You're going to talk yourself blue in the face and no one give you the satisfaction of agreeing with you because they don't have to now. And I think you're WAAAAY OVER ESTIMATING the effectiveness of your liar as compared to theirs. Sorry Dawg, I'm not involved with any "truther" group and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm merely a political observer, and my observation is that your logic is a non sequitur and difficult to follow here.
Very classy. I'll take it as a concession.
Nonsense. And, we certainly disagree. Even IF he is a super top secret double CIA agent, the effect of Loose Change has been ENORMOUS in getting MANY Americans to question--take a second look at 09/11. That is the bottom line. If he is CIA, great! We need more CIA agents like him who are putting out DVDs like Loose Change. You sound like someone who would completely write off David Duke simply for who he is/was or for simply what others say about him and then totally ignore or discount the many reasonable, rational, and valid points Duke makes in his writings and commentaries. Oy.
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I heard that.
Ron Paul. President. Spread the Word.
'Cuse me, boys......but is the issue the one of possible desertion OR the fact that he doesn't have a problem in lying/stretching/omitting/whatever truth while encouraging everyone to do their own checking? As for whether anyone cares about those two spies, or anyone not serving---one thing in common, they are DESPISED for liars and traitors. Yet you seem to expect this guy to get a pass, Vitamin?
One certainly couldn't approach the sacred halls of congresscowards asking them to look at this video. That would seem to be where the action would be forthcoming IF THERE IS to be any regarding 911. The sheeple aren't any too worried. I believe you'll find that while many don't believe or question, you'll also find them attached to soccer moms who are afraid of their own shadow. How can this be? Did you read any news articles on the gas tank explosion yesterday in Texas? On any other forums? Possible terrorism was brought up on a horse owners forum I frequent.
I think the point is to grab people's attention and then have them do their own research. One should ALWAYS do their own fact checking and draw their own conclusions. Would you believe something you saw on Faux Snooze without doing your own research on the topic? CNN? President Bush? Free Republic? As for whether anyone cares about those two spies, or anyone not serving--- one thing in common, they are DESPISED for liars and traitors. Yet you seem to expect this guy to get a pass, Vitamin? The point is that most people really don't care. As mentioned before, we have draft dodgers sitting in the highest levels of government. The Iraq War is unpopular, so I really doubt that anyone other than soccer moms, NASCAR dads, and Freepers really care much that some kid deserted the military. Personally, I do not care myself. At least the kid served, which is more than I can say about a lot of other chickenhawks.
The sheeple aren't any too worried. Loose Change seems to make the internet shills and Freeper types very jittery, so I figure it can't be that bad. Whether it is completely factual or not is not so important to me. Remember, we live in an age where image is important, and perception creates reality.
The more you write the more childish and silly you appear. FACT: Someone arrested on an abstract federal warrant by local cops isn't simply released without a hearing in front of a federal magistrate. If the charge is desertion there would be no bail, and this whole story is riddled with bullshit from which you are busily trying to deflect people's attention. The fact that Korey failed to explain how he went from custody to non custody and made no mention of a hearing (and if the charge was accurately reported still would not result in his release because recaptured deserters are not admitted to bail, and certainly not while en route to his base) is more evidence of his inability to be forthcoming with the truth. And, if you'll settle for something less than absolute truth then you are as morally compromised as the enemy, and for you to show up here and lecture grownups with your video arcade morality is an insult to those of us who having been searching for truth since the JFK assassination. IN short, simply supporting the accurate and very damning facts in LOOSE CHANGE aren't enough to establish your credibility or enough to mitigate the damage that may result from this fiasco involving this liar. You're either a twenty something no nothing whose voted in one election and who is pretending to be a wise sage, the voice of reason (in spite of your laughingly improper use of the term "non sequitur") or, you're one of Alex Jones' lickspittles, like the guy who licks mailing labels and sends out DVDs all day long. Either way you are not entitled to courtesy or lengthy explanations and anything I offer you is a gift. For instance, Chairman Mao said "Five percent will fight for change, five percent will oppose them and the other ninety percent will go along with whoever wins." Now, those of us who've been around longer than the IPOD know this, and only an anonymous arrogant snot nosed kid would make an issue over an irrelevant point of the actual percentages of informed versus slothy Americans. The principle is accurate regardless of the numbers, but since you don't know any history and have even less experience, you're simply a nuisance and I don't really have the inclination to educate you. Now, you stated that you aren't a member of the truthers are a just a "political observer". That's a great answer but, who asked? And, if you insist on making this about you then if you want to bully your way in here and make me take notice of you, then you may get your wish. And then you'll regret it. If you want to play games you'd better be prepared to lose, sonny.
You and that other snot nose don't know shit about how things work. The fast that glaring contradictions are in front of your nose and you don't see them is ample evidence that you can't discern between the world you want and the real world. Even before David Duke was a convicted felon (he lied to his supporters in fund raising letters, by the way. He pleaded for money while rolling the dice in casinos) he was denied the opportunity to run as a Democrat by the party to which he was a lifelong member and the courts upheld it. The fact that Duke has written some great things about the Zionist criminal cartel doesn't change the fact that he will never be a national leader, and your hero worship can't change that. I sent him money when your idea of a good time was sitting in front of the TV set, watching Bugs Bunny and gnawing on a Fudgecicle. You're idealism is not unusual for a young person, but it has no place in real world matters, such as, "How did this liar go from custody on a federal warrant to non custody without a hearing, and if he was charged with desertion then how would he be released on bail at all?" So like that other shitbird (who probably worships fatass Alex Jones) to whom you are clinging and enabling, you're projecting others' hatred of your hero onto me and ignoring the real issues. You're way out of your depth, and I've never insulted you so, think again before interpreting my kindness for weakness. I can and will send you home crying to your mama.
Your kindness? You've never insulted me? Hahaha. Yeah right. If that's your idea of "civil debate", well, I can see why you and your Hufschimd crew have gotten NOWHERE! I tried rational, civil discussion but clearly you have some pent up angst that you like to vent online. I don't have time for this.
From this URL: http ://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/07/26/jprowe07253.html 7-26-2007 Rowe’s car seen at old Griffiss base By Jake Palmateer Staff Writer ONEONTA _ A trip last week to film the former Griffiss Air Force Base in Rome led to the arrest of Oneonta resident Korey Rowe for allegedly deserting from the Army in 2005. Air Force Office of Special Investigations personnel notified the Oneonta Police Department there was an outstanding desertion warrant for Rowe, city Police Lt. Cameron Allison said. "An individual was warned about taking pictures on military property in Rome, N.Y.," Allison said Wednesday. "The vehicle was registered to Korey Rowe." The case was handed over to Otsego County sheriff’s deputies, who arrested Rowe on Monday night, Allison said. A source close to Rowe’s family said the 24-year-old was at the end of his active-duty enlistment in the summer of 2005 and was trying to avoid serving a second tour of duty in Iraq under the Army’s stop-loss policy. That policy, in place since the end of the Vietnam War, authorizes the military in wartime to keep a soldier beyond his or her active-duty enlistment termination date. Rowe, a member of the Oneonta-based film production company Louder Than Words, was apprehended at his county Route 47 home by sheriff’s deputies bearing a military warrant for desertion. Louder Than Words is working on a third edition of "Loose Change," a documentary challenging the official government account of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Dylan Avery, the creator of the original "Loose Change film," said he was in Rome alone to film the base and was driving the car. The base is home to the Northeast Air Defense Sector, a component of North American Aerospace Defense Command. Military police from Fort Drum picked Rowe up from the Otsego County jail Wednesday morning, and he was driven back to the Watertown base. "We’ve talked to him. He’s fine. And he should be back home soon," Avery, a childhood friend, said. Rowe is expecting to be processed out of the Army in a week or two, he added. "That’s the impression he’s getting," Avery said. Commanders have a range of administrative, non-judicial and judicial tools at their disposal to address acts of absence without leave and desertion, according to an Army fact sheet on desertion. "Mr. Rowe’s case will follow the same procedures and policies as any other soldier," Army spokesman Anthony O’Bryant said Wednesday. He said the Army could not comment on the details of an individual personnel matter. If a soldier is found guilty through a court martial, five years is the maximum term of confinement for AWOL or desertion under normal circumstances, according to the fact sheet. Although the death penalty is on the books as a punishment for desertion during wartime, it has not been used in the modern era. Judicial and non-judicial penalties also include "no punishment" or a dishonorable discharge, according to the fact sheet. "The overwhelming majority of soldiers are ready to serve," O’Bryant said. He added annual desertions are less than 1 percent of the 500,000-strong force. When soldiers desert or go AWOL, a warrant is issued for their arrest, and in a lot of cases, the Army simply waits for a deserter to show up in the law- enforcement system after a traffic stop or other encounter, O’Bryant said. "It’s not that it’s not a high priority, but as you can imagine, there are a lot of other things going on," he said. The source close to Rowe’s family said the family only learned after his arrest Monday that he was wanted for desertion. But a handful of Rowe’s close friends knew he had not been "totally released," the source said. In the summer of 2005 and with just a short time before his four-year enlistment was to expire, Rowe was arrested in the town of Oneonta for driving while intoxicated, the source said. A routine check revealed he was AWOL, and he was taken into custody by Fort Drum military police, the source added. However, once he was in Fort Drum, Rowe was released on his own recognizance to appear at his duty base with the 101st Airborne in Fort Campbell, Ky., the source said. Rowe returned to Fort Campbell where he was told he would be "immediately" sent back to Iraq, and after unsuccessfully trying to fight the stop-loss order and AWOL charge, he decided to desert, the source said. "He had honestly felt he had done his time," the source said. An infantryman, Rowe served with the 101st on a six-month tour of Afghanistan in 2002 and a nearly year-long tour in Kuwait and Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom. But Rowe did not keep a low profile after the summer of 2005. Along with other members of Louder Than Words, Rowe conducted radio interviews and was even featured in Vanity Fair magazine in August 2006. The group was to have appeared on ABC’s "The View" on May 24, but the lineup of the show was changed after an on-screen fight May 23 between co-hosts Rosie O’Donnell and Elisabeth Hasselbeck. O’Donnell has since left the show. Rowe is a headstrong individual, the source said when asked why he didn’t go underground: "He felt that it was his responsibility to let the American people know about 9/11." ___ I found this link on another forum. Apparently this started back in 2005, and it was known that he had not completed his enlistment.
We live in a different situation today when considering the weapons available to the opposing factions. We have been instructed "Biblically" to "Get out of her (Babylonic System) my children". Our complete withdrawal from and resistance to their system are the only non- violent methods available to us . The problem that we should take notice of is that "they" (the current rulers) want a violent confrontation and are bitch slapping the public continually by imposing blatantly unamerican values, dictates and policies upon the people, while building a monstrous technological military police state to enforce submission that ultimately requires one to compromise their own "spirit" or suffer the consequences ... all I can say to those that continue to participate and thereby finance this self destruction is enjoy it. It's yours, you paid for it. I'm disappointed that we Americans as a "group" are unable to organize to a level of almost universal resistance to an illegitimate government that we all KNOW is putrid and extremely dangerous to our future and that of our children. Instead, we focus on our own individual circumstance hoping to be "missed" or excluded by the powers that be, and deep down inside we know we are deceiving ourselves and our "free spirit". All of the talk about free, brave, and righteous americans is complete bullshit. We've become a collection of quakers, quaking in our boots before the god, mammon, and the whole while turning upon each other "just doing our jobs", "just following orders", unable to discern what's truly right from the wrongs we are asked to impose upon our neighbors daily for the ORGANS of STATE. This behavior has brought our society from relative freedom to fascism.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
I believe that anyone could be a government shill. I also think much of the assessment you've determined to be truth is speculation based upon little in the way of factual evidence. People are capable of error. In his case he may have made up his mind about leaving the military without considering the advantages of advertising the fact in the USA TODAY. He may have thought his attachment to the military had ended or even that someday they might come after him, without feeling that it was necessary to divulge personal information before making Loose Change. He may have even considered confusing his personal issues with the movie would be counter-productive. If Alex Jones is the shill you claim he is, then the government doesn't want a small scuffle with us, they want AJ to awaken millions for a huge brawl. Patience combined with vigilance is a virtue Houndawg. You may be proven absolutely right, but currently your theory lacks sufficient evidence to support a conviction.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
Why an arrest in the first place ? Couldn't the gubbmint "FIX"it ? They (FEDS) could easily waive any and all arrest warrants issued by the military. So why, if the guy is a plant would the arrest and release go forward at all ?
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
Your lack of understanding this issue has little to do with facts. Either he has a DD-214 or he doesn't. Either he has ETSed into the inactive reserve or he hasn't. Either he has a final discharge or he doesn't. All this paperwork is handed to you when you leave the Army. Why the confusion? Why the apprehension for desertion? Why the trip to Campbell? Ever hear of FUBAR or Military Intelligence is an oxymoron ? I've seen a million fuck ups by the military and am relatively certain you have as well. Asking why is good, but concluding that a bunch of questions equals an answer is error.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
You are exactly right. Eric Hufschimd, Daryl Bradford Smith, Chris Bollyn. Here are 3 "real credible" sources. LOL.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
I didn't need LOOSE CHANGE to determine 9-11 was not what we were being told by the government, or that PNAC should have been seen for the "coup" that it was and still is via the Neo-Con cabal. I knew that morning when NORAD stood down something smelled. It started stinking up the place when the NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR and now SECRETARY OF STATE said "we had no idea" that terrorists would use commercial aircraft as missiles" ... NO FRIGGING IDEA ... ludicrous and a LIE. There are movies, TV Shows and THINK TANKS that constantly float scenarios of this exact situation. Later we find out that 15 similar drills were taking place that exact morning with the mission objective of deterring hijacked aircraft being used as missiles. Building 7 falling at free-fall velocity into its own footprint was even more than obvious evidence that the government was full of shit. Korey Rowe's influence is minimal and the military antics have little relevance to anything.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
"He had honestly felt he had done his time," the source said. I can fully understand his position and decision.
If Korey's influence is minimal, why bother running threads about the guy? If he has these major league problems, why would anyone use him to try to further their case? Certainly, most here are aware that the opposition would use any 'jot or tittle', if you will, to downplay or debunk or detract from the real issues of 911. This is where I'm coming from. If everyone wants the truth, then why use a source who admits that they're slackards at finding it. Their credibility is on par with the liar in chief and his admin. Does John Q Public believe liar a or liar b? See where I'm coming from.... There are lots of folks who will listen--if they don't have to dig deep to find the inner meaning of life, or whatever it is. They don't have the resources, time, or frankly will, to do the heavy lifting. I, too, knew all wasn't kosher when the air systems failed, and certainly when the black bush made her pronouncement! And pics of the bump on the log in the reading classroom didn't improve my thoughts.
I can see his thinking, too. However, employees don't set the rules of employment contracts after they're signed. But this article points out that what was apparently told to Alex wasn't quite true. "Thinking" he was done serving and actually being "severed" from serving are two different things. And being in the military, he HAD to know that. It certainly adds to the concerns that Hounddawg expressed above. I've pinged HOUNDDAWG because I've taken/used his name. There were other avenues to pursue besides desertion. If the penalty for desertion didn't bother him, then the penalty for badmouthing the officers or liar in chief shouldn't have bothered him--that is one way out, and one which he apparently believes in--at least about the liar in chief. That would have been an honorable way out, as well as showing the willingness to 'put his money where his mouth is', so to speak, in being willing to put his tail on the line to get the truth out. But then, this still doesn't address the truthfulness/completeness/distortion/whatever as related in their documentary.
true..it is bothersome that he lied about that.
It doesn't appear that he or his friends were aware of problems existing such as would cause these most recent developments. When I was 20 and allowed to come back to the States from Vietnam, I considered not returning but did so without any regard for the legal ramifications. I had decided that the war was a farce, the career military were an embarrassment and a joke more akin to overaged, fat assed, beer guzzling dependents than leaders. In the end I went back because my parents asked me to do it,even though my mom said she would support whatever decision I made. I can understand Korey Rowe's position and decision, but am not informed enough about the specifics to comment any further. Which errors, mistakes or lies were contained in Loose Change hasn't been an important enough issue for me to evaluate. I can see that the film has stirred a great deal of interest, almost cult-like in my opinion; and I can see how the opposition might try to discredit Rowe for any mis-step he may have made. I didn't start this thread, I merely responded to other posts that I felt were more speculative than informative. Our currency is depreciating, our borders are pourous, our kids are being vaccinated into a coma, the country is a police state, the Justice Department is running interference for Mexican Drug dealers and locking up border guards for doing their jobs, the Trans-Texas Corridor is being shoved up our asses in support of the NAU and the total loss of any sovereignty that might have remained ... and I don't have the facts yet but Alex Jones is talking about Pat Tillman having been murdered on the instruction of officials in the highest authority. So, taking a cursory glance at dying America, Korey Rowe's problems appear miniscule to me.
"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins
Even with discharge papers in hand he is a member of the inactive reserve component for years and therefore legally subject to stop loss. Knowing this, do you still agree with his position? To do so is to simply state that you believe in disregarding laws which are not convenient for you, and pretending that if you bury your head then they don't apply to you. And, if the source is correct and he knew he wasn't out of the woods (and I believe that) then, he was counting on his popularity and some silly Americans' tendency to make stars of anyone in the news (including Ted Bundy, who received marriage proposals from "women who understood him") and Korey was wrapping himself in the moral mantle of 9/11 truth for selfish reasons. I don't want an immature, narcissistic asshole telling me anything, and he's certainly in no position to criticize the govt for ignoring laws that don't fit their agenda or lecture anyone on right or wrong. People who lead the attack on the evil ones must have clean hands. Because if "perception is reality" and FOX NEWS creates the perceptions for the majority then Korey is a liability except in the minds of sicko women who are taken in by his good looks and pisswilly men looking for heroes and who don't care what he did. (Many of his generation just don't get it. Because they've always slipped the noose their entire lives and never been in situations that their mommies or their daddys' lawyers couldn't extricate them from. And, when they do find themselves in such a situation for the first time they're simply amazed, and they lash out out people like me who believe in absolute right or wrong instead of self serving situational ethics, which is what got us in this mess in the first place.) Like it or not he volunteered, and as such he became US govt property. He signed away his rights and he, like service members who were lined up to witness atomic blasts may be used for whatever experiments (including untested and possibly harmful vaccines which he was probably given-did he have the right to refuse those?) the govt sees fit to use him for. If they refuse and are willing to accept the dire consequnces that is honorable. But, to refuse and demand that the law shouldn't apply is the type of treatment that too many sons of privilege (like Bush) have come to expect. Officers can resign their commissions, enlisted men and women cannot. He knew or through the exercise of reasonable care should have known that before he signed up, and he certainly knew that when he in a most cowardly fashion chose to seek the safety of OUR numbers, even though such safety doesn't exist and he could do irreparable harm to the 9/11 truth effort. In short, he had little to gain and Americans have much to lose but he was willing to risk it for his own sake and to Hell with everyone else. Now if he said, "Screw you I ain't doing it" and was willing to go to Leavenworth he'd have my respect. But, for him to post professionally done pix of his handsome self (Hell, even I, my ugly old ass got amazing responses after posting my pics from women no older than my kids!) and to cozy up to an issue that is dear to many heartsick and frightened Americans without telling us that he could be a liability and be used to discredit the honest work of others, well, that makes him a fucking selfish, lying scumbag in my book. (If he could bring down the administration just to avoid serving another year, would he do it? "Oh, no, he's much too honorable for that! he really believes in the patriot movement (patriotism is subject to his narrow definition of course) and, you're exaggerating his importance, DAWG!") Well, we'll see, won't we? When they spring some distorted version of this fiasco on the people on FEB 4th, the day before most Republican primaries and hold the deserter up as the "typical Ron Paul supporter" and there's not time to 'splain it all, then you'll see what I mean.) If he did that to my group (LOOSE CHANGE or the RON PAUL CAMPAIGN) after I went to all the effort to establish credibility and make my attack on the govt bulletproof I'd want his head on a pike! And the assholes who are attacking me will be flabbergasted to learn that the American people are that stupid and can be so easily deceived on primary day! Of course I don't have the instinct to mother that handsome lad, so, some may disagree. My apologies to any Little Bo Peeps who may be offended.
"Stop loss".....thank you. That was a term I was grasping for on another thread regarding this matter. There was a big brou ha ha within the last year or so about this issue in that there weren't enough troops available to do the dirty work over there, what with the national guard being used as regulars, and the like. I certainly can't and won't argue against your argument or debate points because I agree fully. I've always noticed the other guy can make all sorts of 'outrageous' statements or comments and is never called on them, but let me or one of my kind make a statement and instantly the demand is for proof, for verification, for citations, etc. BAC was a classic example of this. And if people can't see this and opt to back a loser, then the cause loses. I would no more be interested in reading a book by g.w.bush, entitled, "The Truth and Why it Matters" than I would be in watching a documentary made by someone who has said they didn't worry about the truth, or getting the full story, or words to that effect.
Rowe states that he is now on his way from Boston Airport to Fort Campbell in order to verify his status is cleared so that he will be a "political prisoner" no more.
#2. To: noone222 (#0)
good news bump
#3. To: noone222 (#0)
#4. To: lodwick (#2)
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#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)
#7. To: noone222, HOUNDDAWG (#6)
Regardless of which theory is correct or incorrect as to the specifics of what actually happened on that morning they are completely irrelevant to disproving the governments obvious bullshit story. On that I think we can all agree.
#8. To: noone222 (#6)
The difficulty being that we have become unable to trust anyone.
Enemies of the Republic
#9. To: The Thread (#7)
Regardless of which theory is correct or incorrect as to the specifics of what actually happened on that morning they are completely irrelevant to disproving the governments obvious bullshit story. On that I think we can all agree.
#10. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)
#11. To: noone222, christine (#6)
#12. To: Critter (#8)
Leaderless resistance seems to be the only choice now.
#13. To: Red Jones (#10)
#14. To: robin, lodwick, noone222, HOUNDDAWG, christine (#1)
Rowe states that he is now on his way from Boston Airport to Fort Campbell in order to verify his status is cleared so that he will be a "political prisoner" no more.
#15. To: wbales (#14)
#16. To: wbales (#14)
#17. To: noone222 (#0)
Rowe extends his thanks to the 9/11 truth community and all others involved in making phone calls, writing stories and otherwise pressuring his release from military custody
#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#3)
#19. To: noone222 (#6)
The difficulty being that we have become unable to trust anyone. What the solution to this problem is has escaped me.
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#11)
C. Don't you understand that one self serving lie is all the enemy needs to mitigate all of the damage we've done to their campaign to destroy America? What's the moral difference between a lying 9/11 researcher demanding truth and a hypocritical Republican womanizer sponsoring family values legislation?
hypocritical Republican womanizer sponsoring family values legislationlying government hack demanding truth?
#21. To: wbales (#14)
That being said, any person participating in a effort to open people's eyes to 09/11--get people asking questions about 09/11--such as the Loose Change DVD does, is my ally. That is the big picture.
#22. To: wbales (#14)
I don't understand why a trip to Fort Campbell is necessary to verify his status--that can be done via faxes, phone calls and/or regular mail or by merely presenting discharge paperwork.
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
And, in the minds of the 90 percentile there is no diff between those convicted spies and a deserter.
#24. To: Vitamin Z (#23)
Do you really think that ninety percent of Americans really care that a kid deserted the army?
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
You could do without Robert Hansen's or Jonathan Pollard's support, for instance. And, in the minds of the 90 percentile there is no diff between those convicted spies and a deserter.
#26. To: Vitamin Z (#25)
Ninety percent of Americans do not know, and most probably don't care, who Robert Hansen and Jonathan Pollard are. Your logic is rather odd.
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#24)
Do you think they'd let you cite him as a source of information when attacking the govt that they reflexively defend? Just because career politicians are sweating re-election doesn't mean that voters are willing to admit their mistakes.
#28. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)
Fuck off and argue with someone else, okay asshole?
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG, robin, lodwick, noone222, christine, Vitamin Z, rowdee (#22)
And if your ally's credibility goes down in flames so does LOOSE CHANGE.
#30. To: Vitamin Z (#27)
and my observation is that your logic is a non sequitur and difficult to follow here.
#31. To: Vitamin Z, HOUNDDAWG (#27)
#32. To: wbales (#29)
#33. To: rowdee (#31)
'Cuse me, boys......but is the issue the one of possible desertion OR the fact that he doesn't have a problem in lying/stretching/omitting/whatever truth while encouraging everyone to do their own checking?
#34. To: rowdee (#32)
One certainly couldn't approach the sacred halls of congresscowards asking them to look at this video. That would seem to be where the action would be forthcoming IF THERE IS to be any regarding 911.
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#36. To: wbales, Vitamin Z (#30)
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#37. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
You're way out of your depth, and I've never insulted you so, think again before interpreting my kindness for weakness. I can and will send you home crying to your mama.
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG, w bales, Christine, lowick, Vitamin Z (#36)
THE DAILY STAR, from the Heartland of New York
#39. To: rowdee (#19)
But there has to be ways to defeat that technology
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#11)
#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
FACT: Someone arrested on an abstract federal warrant by local cops isn't simply released without a hearing in front of a federal magistrate. If the charge is desertion there would be no bail, and this whole story is riddled with bullshit from which you are busily trying to deflect people's attention.
#42. To: HOUNDDAWG (#22)
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I don't understand why a trip to Fort Campbell is necessary to verify his status--that can be done via faxes, phone calls and/or regular mail or by merely presenting discharge paperwork.
#43. To: Vitamin Z (#37)
#44. To: rowdee (#17)
#45. To: rowdee (#38)
Rowe returned to Fort Campbell where he was told he would be "immediately" sent back to Iraq, and after unsuccessfully trying to fight the stop-loss order and AWOL charge, he decided to desert, the source said.
#46. To: noone222 (#44)
#47. To: christine, HOUNDDAWG (#45)
#48. To: rowdee (#47)
But this article points out that what was apparently told to Alex wasn't quite true. "Thinking" he was done serving and actually being "severed" from serving are two different things. And being in the military, he HAD to know that.
#49. To: rowdee (#46)
If he has these major league problems, why would anyone use him to try to further their case?
#50. To: christine, rowdee (#45)
I can fully understand his position and decision.
#51. To: HOUNDDAWG (#50)
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