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Title: Deion Sanders - Don't be too quick to judge Vicks (savagery)
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URL Source: http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs ... 0726/SPORTS/707230309/1075/ACC
Published: Jul 26, 2007
Author: Ugga Bugga Press
Post Date: 2007-07-26 16:25:22 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 547
Comments: 38

Don't be too quick to judge Vick

Editor's Note

Deion Sanders column from Sunday's editions of The News-Press has touched a nerve in the Southwest Florida community and around the country. This morning the column was read word-for-word on ESPN Radio.

Here's his column

I would've never thought Mike Vick, one of the NFL's most exciting players — the man who makes the network execs smile every time he plays — would ever be indicted for crimes against man's best friend.

The potential impact could be devastating.

He could lose millions worth of endorsements. Nike has already suspended the release of his new shoe. He could lose millions he was supposed to get from the Atlanta Falcons, if the club decides to cut him. That's unlikely, but it could happen if he's convicted or makes a plea arrangement.

Or his reputation might wind up so stained that he's never forgiven in the court of public opinion. That would be too bad for the 27-year-old superstar.

This is all the result of perspective.

What a dog means to Vick might be a lot different than what he means to you or I. Hold on, don't start shaking your head just yet. Listen to me.

Some people kiss their dogs on the mouth. Some people let their dogs eat from their plate. Some people dress their dogs in suits more expensive than mine, if you can believe that.

And some people enjoy proving they have the biggest, toughest dog on the street. You're probably not going to believe this, but I bet Vick loves the dogs that were the biggest and the baddest. Maybe, he identified with them in some way.

You can still choose to condemn him, but I'm trying to take you inside his mind so you can understand where he might be coming from.

I'm sure all of the animal activists and Humane Society folks have a dart board with Vick's picture in the center of it. And if he plays this season, PETA is going to picket every stadium where he plays.

Still, I must ask the question: Where is all of this going?

By now you've read all of the accusations about the cruelty involving the dogs — and I'm not just talking about their duels to the death. All of that is enough to make me cringe because I have three highly-trained protection German shepherds, just in case someone wants to rob my family.

Believe me, you don't want to deal with them. With one German command, our dog Yascho turns into Cujo. And for the record, I live around the corner from the police station, so it won't take them long to show up and save you from the dogs.

Now back to Vick.

Why are we indicting him? Was he the ringleader? Is he the big fish? Or is there someone else? The fights allegedly occurred at a property that he purchased for a family member. They apparently found carcasses on the property, but I must ask you again, is he the ringleader?

This situation reminds me of a scene in the movie "New Jack City," when drug dealer Nino Brown is on the witness stand and eloquently says, "This thing is bigger than me."

Are we using Vick to get to the ringleader? Are we using him to bring an end to dogfighting in the United States?

The only thing I can gather from this situation is that we're using Vick.

Was he wrong? Absolutely. Was he stupid? Can't argue with that. Was he immature? No doubt. But is he the ringleader? I just can't see it.

I believe Vick had a passion for dogfighting. I know many athletes who share his passion. The allure is the intensity and the challenge of a dog fighting to the death. It's like ultimate fighting, but the dog doesn't tap out when he knows he can't win.

It reminds me of when I wore a lot of jewelry back in the day because I always wanted to have the biggest chain or the biggest, baddest car. It gives you status.

Can I pause for a moment to ask you a question?

Who shot Darrant Williams? Remember the Denver Bronco cornerback? I'm just more concerned about bringing to justice someone who killed a human. Or finding out who broke into Miami Heat forward Antoine Walker's home, tied him up and robbed him at gunpoint.

We're attacking this dogfighting ring the same way a teenager attacks his MySpace page after school (by the way parents, make sure you monitor your kids). We should have the same passion for man that we have for man's best friend.

The reason this is turning into a three-ring circus is that baseball is boring, basketball is months away, football is around the corner and we in the media don't have a thing interesting to write about.

How will this end up? I have no idea. All I know is Falcons fans better pray because Vick's backup is Joey Harrington. Enough said.

God bless and God willing I'll hollah at you next week.

— Deion Sanders, a North Fort Myers High School graduate, played in the NFL and Major League Baseball. He works as an analyst for the NFL Network and is part-owner of the Austin Wranglers of the Arena Football League.


Poster Comment: It sounds like Deion has been to a dog fight or 20....

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

You can still choose to condemn him, but I'm trying to take you inside his mind so you can understand where he might be coming from.

Hey stupid...Inside that mans mind is the last place any sane person would want to be.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-26   16:30:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

What a country. It's amazing (and sad) that playing cornerback in the NFL grants you enough clout to write "opinion" pieces for a newspaper. If he's not writing about man to man coverage or what it takes to play corner, I have no interest in what he's saying. He's a self-absorbed Vick apologist, who should thank his lucky stars he was born with amazing athletic ability. He doesn't seem to have much else to work with.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-26   16:37:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

i'm not cutting him any slack

i recently spoke with someone who apparently was very involved in breaking this...i asked this person not to fill me in with any details [this thread is the most i've seen or heard, and i didn't read but half of it], because i was nursing a near-death pocket pet at the time, and i couldn't take any more....my daughter heard the whole story, and was VERY DISTURBED and angry afterwards...i can't repeat what she thought they should do to him....he was my other daughter's favorite player...no more.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-07-26   16:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

God, I'm so glad this ain't the Eagles...

Falcons' Vick Pleads Not Guilty

The Atlanta Falcons quarterback was to appear at a bond hearing and enter a plea on dogfighting conspiracy charges. He said nothing as he walked into the courthouse, which was lined by spectators who began gathering at dawn.

Vick arrived at 3 p.m. in a black sport utility vehicle and was booed by a crowd of hundreds.

Wearing a dark suit and blue shirt, Vick looked straight ahead as he walked up the ramp to the courthouse.

Vick is accused with three others of conspiracy involving competitive dogfighting, procuring and training pit bulls for fighting, and conducting the enterprise across state lines. Federal prosecutors allege the operation known as Bad Newz Kennels operated on Vick's property in Surry County.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-07-26   16:40:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

The only thing I can gather from this situation is that we're using Vick.

Blacks stole the eternal victimhood from the Jews.

Now anytime they are in a tight spot with no way out,..."You are anti-black"..that is a guaranteed ticket home.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-26   16:42:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull, Deion (#0)

You're probably not going to believe this, but I bet Vick loves the dogs that were the biggest and the baddest.

you're right, Deion. we don't believe it. vick's a narcissist incapable of genuine love for anyone or anything other than himself.

christine  posted on  2007-07-26   16:50:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#6)

you're right, Deion. we don't believe it. vick's a narcissist incapable of genuine love for anyone or anything other than himself.

Vick has over a million dollars a month income, thus money was not the allure.

Just perhaps the blood, the savagery, was the intoxicant.

Barbarism at its extreme. The gall of Sanders is disgusting.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-26   16:57:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#0) (Edited)

I'll hollah at you next week.

They were hollahr'n outside the court today. Licence to breed. On his property. I'm sorry to family and the team. Yeah right.

Billy Martin the attorney on the job now, is doing some fine lawyering saying Vick is only one of tens of thousands of 'DOG-MEN'.

I had wished he said 'dog meat'.

As for action by the NFL.... I am SICK of the 'animals' in sports. While boycotts are generally considered ineffective, I would encourage all decent human beings, to boycott these sick institutions until they clean out the GARBAGE. No more. No SuperBowl, no Toilet Bowl, no water bowl, no money bowl...

There is no hole deep enough for these vermin. ANYONE defending this crap, is an evil POS, and there will be NO, NONE ZERO EXCUSE FOR any National 'SPORT OF FILTH' team to bother with 'playing the game'.

Damn ..............................

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   17:06:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Calamity (#8)

Nice rant - thank you.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-07-26   17:12:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Calamity (#8)

Damn ..............................

Uhhhhhhh...Calm down and then read this.

The lawyers and the law most likely find some way out for Vick, slap on his wallet and back to football.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-26   17:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: lodwick (#9)

Nice rant - thank you.

Thanks.

I hadn't heard many of the details till last night, or a video I can't erase from my mind.

I'll be waiting for more statements from the NFL.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   17:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Cynicom (#10)

Uhhhhhhh...Calm down and then read this.

The lawyers and the law most likely find some way out for Vick, slap on his wallet and back to football.

Sorry for the language Cyni.

There is NO WAY OUT for the NFL on this one. Vick, has already made his place in hell. I just hope he squeals like the dogs he tortured on all the others involved in this.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   17:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Calamity (#12)

There is NO WAY OUT for the NFL on this one. Vick, has already made his place in hell.

At the most perhaps a years suspension from football. Criminal wise, a slap on the wallet. Others will bear the brunt. Vick knew nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-26   17:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Calamity (#8)

The Portland Trailblazers which earned the nickname Portland Jail Blazers is still recovering from their former "Talent First, Ethics Second" management style.

They went from ten consecutive years of Sold Out games to not being able to fill half of their new bigger Arena. While they are again starting to sell-out games their former sell-out is still remembered by many - I do not patronize them nor do I tout them.

Professional Sports has become nothing more than another business enterprise. Where once teams actually represented the community that hosted them they are now run by souless "Bean Counters" who care little about the sport of the enterprise and merely whether it is bringing double digit profits. I would just as soon go cheer for the "Walmart Warriors" as virtually any Professional Sports Business. It is a business not a sport and the NBA proves it every year by not holding "Stuporstars" to the same standards as other players and allowing them to commit multiple fouls without getting "called". It is only marginally more a real competition than "Professional Wrestling".

"When I die I want to go peacefull in my sleep like my Grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers." - Unk. Discordian

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-07-26   17:26:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#13)

At the most perhaps a years suspension from football. Criminal wise, a slap on the wallet. Others will bear the brunt. Vick knew nothing.

You're not trying to get me riled are you? ;)

Ohmmmmmmmmmmm.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   17:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Calamity (#15)

You're not trying to get me riled are you? ;)

Nope.

If it were you, you would get ten to twenty. Bread and water.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-07-26   17:40:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent, Cynicom (#14)

I hate the Snailblazers. I don't much care for Portland either and didn't think much of someone's sport judgement if they wore a TrailBlazer logoed clothing.

It is interesting though to see former University of Oregon Duck star Joey Harrington get another chance as a starter. He has usually been the victim of bad circumstances being on clunkers of teams that made his bad record as a starting quarterback an inevitability.

I hope he does his usual classy take command of the Falcons and does a great job. He has intelligence, character, and plays piano extremely well.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-26   18:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent (#14) (Edited)

The Portland Trailblazers which earned the nickname Portland Jail Blazers is still recovering from their former "Talent First, Ethics Second" management style.

They went from ten consecutive years of Sold Out games to not being able to fill half of their new bigger Arena. While they are again starting to sell-out games their former sell-out is still remembered by many - I do not patronize them nor do I tout them.

If the bean counters won't get the message we need to stop sending the beans. Just stop. Don't go to games, don't watch, don't support their sponsors, don't buy their licensed garbage. It all feeds those beasts, and it's time we slammed the door shut on all of it.

I moved from a town where one coach embarked on a decades long crusade to recruit those who had little opportunity but great talent. And in nearly every single case, they knawed the hand of chance off at the stump, and spat in the face of the community that 'STAYED THE FRIKKEN COURSE' supporting that idiotic experiment. It hasn't gotten better, but the local stooges still need to feel they're getting their 'alumni' money's worth. Morons.

At this point, is CURLING the only game I have left to trust? (Sheesh don't spoil it for me). At this point, I'm not even sure about the bell-ringers for the Salvation Army.

I'm sick of it. 80 channels of ESPN that lick the boots of heathens and money grubbing monsters? (Note: write to the cable co too).

Ping-pong. Bring back ping-pong. Jacks. Marbles. 52-card pickup.

Gads, that's almost a Byeltsin isn't it?

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   18:19:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

Isn't Deon Sanders the player that was the kiss o' death to every team he ever played on?

If he'd spend less time and money on his wardrobe and get in touch with real life he might have something worthwhile saying.

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-07-26   18:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Cynicom (#16)

Nope.

If it were you, you would get ten to twenty. Bread and water.

I'm voting for judge Roy Bean.

"In questions of power, then, let no more be said of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." -- Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Thomas.Jefferson.Quote.B6BD

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   18:21:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Sodie Pop (#19)

Deon indeed should keep his trap shut. Of course maybe we should get OJ's opinion on this too. I bet he can recommend good lawyers for Vick and would also give hima free pass on this display of callous cruelty.

Thesis: Official 9/11 story is an unproven conspiracy theory. http://911truth.org http://Justicefor911.org http://summeroftruth.org Probable-cause standards have been met for an unlimited investigation of unsolved crimes relating to the events of Sept. 11, including allegations of criminal negligence, cover-up, complicity or commission of the attacks by US officials and assets of intel services.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2007-07-26   18:26:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

we should get OJ's opinion on this too

Jackson and the Rev Al should be commenting soon.

Arete  posted on  2007-07-26   18:37:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Arete (#22)

Jackson and the Rev Al should be commenting soon.

Where are they on the Katrina issue these days?

Bloated and floating into irrelevance.

"No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words 'no' and 'not' employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights." -- Rev. Edmund A. Opitz (1914-2006) American minister, author

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   18:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Calamity (#18)

Ping-pong. Bring back ping-pong.

That is a sport I did play at the collegiate level. There was a short lived Collegiate League here back in the 70's. I wasn't great but was the 5th Starter of 5 (we finished second to Oregon State in the Northwest Intercollegiate Championship Tournament the year I played - still have the Plaque somewhere). The problem of course for Table Tennis is that the ball is small (does not show up well on TV) and it is an extremely fast sport. You have to see it up close to appreciate that, but it takes lightning reflexes to do well at the sport. However, it is not telegenic and in the age of Tee Bee you need your sport televised for it to be considered a major sport (despite the fact that outside of the U.S. it ranks no worse than the 3rd most popular sport).

I moved from a town where one coach embarked on a decades long crusade to recruit those who had little opportunity but great talent. And in nearly every single case, they knawed the hand of chance off at the stump, and spat in the face of the community that 'STAYED THE FRIKKEN COURSE' supporting that idiotic experiment. It hasn't gotten better, but the local stooges still need to feel they're getting their 'alumni' money's worth. Morons.

Boise State? I know they have specialized in locating talented youngsters who were not developed enough for the big Schools - and as they proved last year it was a winning strategy. It would be sad to see them tarnished.

At this point I am turned off on most professional sports and don't bother to watch them at all. Although I still like the World Series and the Stupor Bowl.

"When I die I want to go peacefull in my sleep like my Grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers." - Unk. Discordian

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-07-26   20:09:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Ferret Mike (#17)

I hate the Snailblazers. I don't much care for Portland either and didn't think much of someone's sport judgement if they wore a TrailBlazer logoed clothing.

I would not be caught dead wearing a Jail Blazers logoed product - and would not wear one even if it were free.

It is interesting though to see former University of Oregon Duck star Joey Harrington get another chance as a starter. He has usually been the victim of bad circumstances being on clunkers of teams that made his bad record as a starting quarterback an inevitability.

I wish him well - even if he was a frickin' "Duck". GO BEAVERS!!!!!!!!!!!

"When I die I want to go peacefull in my sleep like my Grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers." - Unk. Discordian

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-07-26   20:15:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

I bet he can recommend good lawyers

I dunno. Johnny Cochran croaked off a few years ago, and I saw Shapiro doing ambulance chasing commercials on TV the other day.

But OJ could help Vick write a book...something titled "If I were Going to Fight Dogs, This is How I'd Do It"

Sodie Pop  posted on  2007-07-26   20:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Original_Intent (#24)

Boise State?

No.

Boise State did rather well under Coach Petersen, No? Fiesta Bowl?? The greatest game every played. To the last nano-second. History making. Jared Zabransky and Ian Johnson. Undenied!

A humble team with wonderful attitudes. NOTHING, nothing AT ALL, in any way, like the old town.

"No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words 'no' and 'not' employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights." -- Rev. Edmund A. Opitz (1914-2006) American minister, author

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   20:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Of course maybe we should get OJ's opinion on this too.

laughing...

christine  posted on  2007-07-26   20:30:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Sodie Pop (#26)

But OJ could help Vick write a book...something titled "If I were Going to Fight Dogs, This is How I'd Do It"

laughing again

christine  posted on  2007-07-26   20:35:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Calamity (#27)

Boise State did rather well under Coach Petersen, No? Fiesta Bowl?? The greatest game every played. To the last nano-second. History making. Jared Zabransky and Ian Johnson. Undenied!

It was a killer game. They came in a two touchdown underdog and dominated most of the game. The Statue of Liberty Play was so well executed that the runner could have walked into the End Zone.

"When I die I want to go peacefull in my sleep like my Grandfather, not screaming in terror like his passengers." - Unk. Discordian

Original_Intent  posted on  2007-07-26   20:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#30) (Edited)

HOOK AND LATERAL BAYYYYYYBEEEEEE!! lol!

Sweet.

I almost turned it off, I couldn't stand the suspense. But it was worth every minute to see the look on the Sooners faces. Mama. Har.

It's on video, and there is a book out now. Movie to be made, I believe tentatively titled, "Out of the Blue".

I can't remember watching anything more thrilling since 'Rudy'.

Wonder if curling will ever get to that point?

"No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words 'no' and 'not' employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights." -- Rev. Edmund A. Opitz (1914-2006) American minister, author

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-26   21:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Calamity, Jethro Tull (#18)

nice rant.

while we are focused on the subject of animal cruelty...

i think we should take on the everyday animal slaughterers as well....hundreds of thousands die every day...

stories about babies and kittens in microwaves...i can't read them, and hopefully, they are very rare...i forced myself to read this because it is widespread...but i had to stop and jump around the page...i read enough to know i want to see it stopped....

not for the tender-hearted....

The agony of dying - ritual slaughter

http://www.visualstatistics.net/East-West/Ritual%20Sacrifice/Slaughter.htm

...But can they suffer? The controversy about animal suffering has a long history. In his Summa Theologica (1267-1273) Saint Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) maintains that the killing of animals is in congruence with Biblical precepts and concludes that

33;God does not ask humans what they do with their oxen and other animals.33; ....

ahem....

Pro 12:10 — A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Pro/12/10.html

I read the other day, on a targeted and destroyed website, that due to the Kosher Tax and all that, that actually, 90% of the animal slaughters in this country are like this...i didn't read the whole article before it was whisked away...and i have no way of knowing if it's true, but i have seen packaged meat not just stating, but BRAGGINNG that it is Kosher with all that entails, and i think people should stop and think and perhaps start asking questions before they partake in this.

i haven't eaten red meat in about 25 years, and may just switch totally to fish until this is resolved.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-07-27   14:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#32)

ahem....

Pro 12:10 — A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Pro/12/10.html

I read the other day, on a targeted and destroyed website, that due to the Kosher Tax and all that, that actually, 90% of the animal slaughters in this country are like this...i didn't read the whole article before it was whisked away...and i have no way of knowing if it's true, but i have seen packaged meat not just stating, but BRAGGINNG that it is Kosher with all that entails, and i think people should stop and think and perhaps start asking questions before they partake in this.

Excellent post and links.

I completely agree with you.

I'm not sure of the fish anymore either. The sewage water they are forced to live in and antibiotics, etc. Eh.

I can not watch any Animal Police shows. I can barely even force myself to click on any link relative to animal abuse or neglect. In this case, with Vick, this HAD to be known on a wide scale. He was breeding the dogs.

I have worked with animal rescue organizations in the past, and have seen and heard all I need for this lifetime. These despicable acts upon our pets and torture of anykind for some sick ritual, does not fall into any other category than evil.

(That includes human beings as well.) It does matter, and final judgement will determine the price.

I will pass the the links on.

"No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words 'no' and 'not' employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights." -- Rev. Edmund A. Opitz (1914-2006) American minister, author

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-27   15:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Calamity (#33)

I have worked with animal rescue organizations in the past, and have seen and heard all I need for this lifetime. These despicable acts upon our pets and torture of anykind for some sick ritual, does not fall into any other category than evil.

the person i spoke to regarding the Vick story [i didn't know it was Vick at the time, as i asked not to hear any details, and the story had not broken yet] is an animal rescuer as well...this person said it was hard to believe the things people do to animals where she lives, a perfectly beautiful, peaceful place...i can't listen to these stories anymore, so i don't know the details...again, my daughter heard some of them, and she was so shocked....i think animal cruelty is satanic....i am so thankful there are other people out there fighting this.

I will pass the the links on.

thank you...i appreciate it.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-07-27   15:56:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#32)

Pro 12:10 — A righteous [man] regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked [are] cruel.

That may become one of my favorite verses of Scripture...thanks!

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-07-27   15:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Calamity (#33)

I try to rescue kitties when I can, and encourage others to do so...see my tag line. :-)

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2007-07-27   16:00:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: who knows what evil (#36)

I try to rescue kitties when I can, and encourage others to do so...see my tag line. :-)

That is wonderful.

I'm sorry I hadn't noticed it earlier.

Gods work.

Thanks !

"No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words 'no' and 'not' employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights." -- Rev. Edmund A. Opitz (1914-2006) American minister, author

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-27   21:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#34)

....i think animal cruelty is satanic....i am so thankful there are other people out there fighting this.

Same here.

We've known a couple that have been rescuing dogs now for almost 20 years. Emotionally, I don't know how they do it. Incredible strength.

"No one can read our Constitution without concluding that the people who wrote it wanted their government severely limited; the words 'no' and 'not' employed in restraint of government power occur 24 times in the first seven articles of the Constitution and 22 more times in the Bill of Rights." -- Rev. Edmund A. Opitz (1914-2006) American minister, author

Calamity  posted on  2007-07-27   21:15:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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