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Title: Study: Iraqis May Experience Sadness When Friends, Relatives Die
Source: The Onion
URL Source: [None]
Published: Jul 27, 2007
Author: The Onion
Post Date: 2007-07-27 00:06:15 by kiki
Keywords: None
Views: 155
Comments: 13

Sponsored by CHAPEL HILL, NC—A field study released Monday by the University of North Carolina School of Public Health suggests that Iraqi citizens experience sadness and a sense of loss when relatives, spouses, and even friends perish, emotions that have until recently been identified almost exclusively with Westerners.

"We were struck by how an Iraqi reacts to the sight of the bloody or decapitated corpse of a family member in a not unlike an American, or at the very least a Canadian, would," said Dr. Jonathan Pryztal, chief author of the study. "In addition to the rage, bloodlust, and hatred we already know to dominate the Iraqi emotional spectrum, it appears that they may have some capacity, however limited, for sadness."

Though Pryztal was quick to add that more detailed analysis is needed, he said the findings cast some doubt on long-held assumptions about human nature in that region.

"Contrary to conventional wisdom, it seems that Iraqis do indeed experience at least minor feelings of grief when a best friend or a grandparent is ripped apart by a car bomb or shot execution style and later unearthed in a shallow mass grave," Prytzal said. "Last December's suicide-bomb killing of 71 Shiites in Baghdad, for example, produced unexpected reactions ranging from crumpled, sobbing despair to silent, dazed shock."

Iraqis have often been observed weeping and wailing in apparent anguish, but the study offers evidence indicating this may not be exclusively an outward expression of anger or a desire for revenge. It also provocatively suggests that this grief can possess an American-like personal quality, and is not simply a tribal lamentation ritual.

An Iraqi mother expressing American-like grief at the loss of her son. Said Pryztal: "When trying to understand the psychology of the Iraqi citizenry after four years of war, think of a small American town roiled by the death of a well-known high school football player."

According to Pryztal, the intensity of the grief does not diminish if the mourner experiences multiple bereavements over time. "If a woman has already lost one child, the subsequent killings of other children will evoke similar responses," he said. "In the majority of cases we studied, it appeared as though those who lost multiple kids never actually got used to it."

Though Pryztal expects the results of the study may be of some interest to students of Arab psychology, he did concede that the data may not be entirely accurate because it was gathered directly from Iraqis themselves.

"Almost all the Iraqis we interviewed said the war had ruined their lives because of the incalculable loss of friends and family," Pryztal said. "But to be totally honest, these types of studies can be skewed rather easily by participant exaggeration."

Psychologists and anthropologists have thus far largely discounted the study, claiming it has the same bias as a 1971 Stanford University study that concluded that many Vietnamese showed signs of psychological trauma from nearly a quarter century of continuous war in southeast Asia.

"We are, in truth, still a long way from determining if Iraqis are exhibiting actual, U.S.-grade sadness," Mayo Clinic neuropsychologist Norman Blum said. "At present, we see no reason for the popular press to report on Iraqi emotions as if they are real."

Pryztal said that his research group would next examine whether children in Sudan prefer playing with toys or serving as guerrilla fighters and killing innocent civilians.

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#1. To: kiki, all (#0)

Pryztal said that his research group would next examine whether children in Sudan prefer playing with toys or serving as guerrilla fighters and killing innocent civilians.

All satire aside -

For the last several years as we have watched the thousands of ordinary Iraqi citizens get killed (in the most brutal ways), I have wondered just how much larger the ratio of bad Iraqis there are to the number of good Iraqis.

That's not to mention the multiple thousands that are seriously injured that will need enormous health care for the rest of their lives.

I think the world would have been better if George Bush had never been born.

"I've even suggested that we follow the constitution."
"I believe in spreading democracy, not with guns but rather by example."
- Dr. Ron Paul

tzf90  posted on  2007-07-27   8:27:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: tzf90 (#1)

This reminds me of what I routinely shout at the radio or TV whenever I hear our "noble savages" of the U.S. military talk about their latest patrols and describe the "bad guys" they feel are lurking in the shadows (often these turn out to be innocent civilians, which is only discovered after they've been blasted into pink mist; then oftentimes the U.S. goons plant an AK on them and declare them "insurgents").

What I shout at the radio or TV is, "YOU are the 'bad guys.'" From Day One in March 2003 when this started, the U.S. soldiers, sailors and Marines along with the Blackwater types are analogous to the Nazi storm troopers of the 1930s and '40s. They can never admit it to themselves, but I don't have to pretend there is anything "good" about what they have been ordered to do.

Another Freudian slip has occurred, BTW. The "surge" in Baghdad is called "Operation Impose Law" (OIL)".

The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government. - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-07-27   8:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: kiki (#0)

When I saw the headline I thought, "I hope that's from the Onion...I'd hate to find this to be a real study."

“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-07-27   8:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: kiki (#0)

emotions that have until recently been identified almost exclusively with Westerners.

"Almost all the Iraqis we interviewed said the war had ruined their lives because of the incalculable loss of friends and family," Pryztal said. "But to be totally honest, these types of studies can be skewed rather easily by participant exaggeration."

biting, very good

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-07-27   8:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: kiki (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-07-27   9:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)

one thing's for sure - bush supporters don't have sadness over it.

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Red Jones  posted on  2007-07-27   9:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Red Jones (#6)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-07-27   10:04:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ghostdogtxn (#7)

their consciences are seared over.

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Red Jones  posted on  2007-07-27   10:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Red Jones (#8)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-07-27   10:08:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: kiki (#0)

Not that far off when you examine the statements of our legislative lightweights, media pundits and miscellaneous others.

It's hard to satirise contemporary America.

The meek may inherit the earth -- but not its mineral rights. -- J. Paul Getty

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-07-27   14:35:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: tzf90 (#1)

That's not to mention the multiple thousands that are seriously injured that will need enormous health care for the rest of their lives.

if only they still had decent health care facilities. we've destroyed those too. I read an article a few months back that said iraqis would be thrilled to have the level of care offered at walter reed.

kiki  posted on  2007-07-27   21:36:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: swarthyguy (#10)

Not that far off when you examine the statements of our legislative lightweights, media pundits and miscellaneous others.

It's hard to satirise contemporary America.

that's so true. I wanna scream when I hear public officials talk about how they're losing patience with iraq. we created a problem we can't solve and they're supposed to solve it on our terms and fast.

this article is barely satire, it's closer to what passes for news these days.

kiki  posted on  2007-07-27   21:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: kiki (#12)

they're supposed to solve it on our terms and fast.

Well, it is our oil, despite their presence on it.

The meek may inherit the earth -- but not its mineral rights. -- J. Paul Getty

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-07-28   14:44:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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