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Title: Iraqi leader tells Bush: Get Gen Petraeus out
Source: Telegraph.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai ... l=/news/2007/07/28/wirq128.xml
Published: Jul 28, 2007
Author: Danielk McElroy
Post Date: 2007-07-28 06:46:32 by Zoroaster
Keywords: None
Views: 255
Comments: 18

Iraqi leader tells Bush: Get Gen Petraeus out By Damien McElroy, Foreign Affairs Correspondent Last Updated: 2:44am BST 28/07/2007

Stormy relationship: Nouri al-Maliki and Gen David Petraeus

Relations between the top United States general in Iraq and Nouri al-Maliki, the country's prime minister, are so bad that the Iraqi leader made a direct appeal for his removal to President George W Bush.

Although the call was rejected, aides to both men admit that Mr Maliki and Gen David Petraeus engage in frequent stand-up shouting matches, differing particularly over the US general's moves to arm Sunni tribesmen to fight al-Qa'eda.

One Iraqi source said Mr Maliki used a video conference with Mr Bush to call for the general's signature strategy to be scrapped. "He told Bush that if Petraeus continues, he would arm Shia militias," said the official. "Bush told Maliki to calm down."

At another meeting with Gen Petraeus, Mr Maliki said: "I can't deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you."

advertisementGen Petraeus admitted that the relationship was stormy, saying: "We have not pulled punches with each other."

President Bush's support for Mr Maliki is deeply controversial within the US government because of the Iraqi's ties to Shia militias responsible for some of the worst sectarian violence.

The New York Times claimed yesterday that Saudi Arabia was refusing to work with Mr Maliki and has presented "evidence" that he was an Iranian intelligence agent to US officials. "Bush administration officials are voicing increasing anger at what they say has been Saudi Arabia's counterproductive role in the war," it reported.

Alongside the firm support of Mr Bush, Mr Maliki also enjoys the backing of Ryan Crocker, the US ambassador and his predecessor, Zalmay Khalilzad, now America's representative at the United Nations.

Mr Khalilzad took a swipe at Saudi Arabia in an editorial published earlier this month that was widely seen as an appeal for a larger UN role in stabilising Iraq.

Mr Crocker, who attends Mr Maliki's stormy weekly meetings with Gen Petraeus, said the Iraqi leader was a strong partner of America.

"There is no leader in the world that is under more pressure than Nouri al-Maliki, without question," he said. "Sometimes he reflects that frustration. I don't blame him. I probably would too."


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The surge against Israel's enemies in the Muslim neighborhood will go on. Nothing can stop it. Look for Maliki to committ suicide

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#1. To: Zoroaster (#0)

Maliki won't be suicided. Nor will he be tossed out of office and replaced with someone more compliant.

There is absolutely no need for either. See, unlike the puppet government of South Vietnam- the puppet government of Iraq has truly no power whatsoever. South Vietnam's puppet government commanded- however ineffectually- a bureaucracy, a state apparat, police forces, and an expensive trained military that actually had entire battle capable regiments that could act on their own with little American guidance- not well- and not fight hard- but act alone.

In the case of South Vietnam then- there was cause to murder a Diem and replace him- because the government of South Vietnam wasn't a complete Potemkin fantasy.

This is not the case in Iraq. Maliki's government literally does nothing. It doesn't deliver the mail, it has no reliable police, it can't provide enough troops to guard even the peremiter of the buildings it meets in. Hell- the food they eat isn't local- but American. Maliki's "Government" doesn't even control the Green Zone- I doubt they control even the buildings they meet in. Maliki's orders, edicts, and commands go no farther than his voice- literally.

There is no REASON to replace him as he controls nothinng- is nothing. So let him spout off uselessly. Let him criticize all he wants. The warmongers can then point to this impotent clown and say "see- would a puppet say such critical things?" He serves a propaganda purpose as is.

The Daily Burkeman1

Burkeman1  posted on  2007-07-28   7:06:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

Remember George Scott's line in the Patton movie?

"Kill the other SOB before he kills you."

It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Maliki will kill Petraeus.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2007-07-28   7:28:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Zoroaster (#2)

true, and Maliki standing up to the US may be his death warrant as well.

give Maliki credit though. He sees Patraeus harm his country and he tries to stop him.

Jeremiah 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

Red Jones  posted on  2007-07-28   7:42:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Zoroaster. all (#0)

At another meeting with Gen Petraeus, Mr Maliki said: "I can't deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you."

The way power can delude ones mind is an amazing thing to watch. If this article is true, Maliki must actually believe that he is in a popular position of power. If tomorrow every American now in Iraq was raptured up, Maliki would be just another decapitation vid on Youtube within 24 hours.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-28   8:17:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Zoroaster, wudidiz, wbales, Eoghan, BlueEyedGirl, DeaconBenjamin.IndieTx (#0)

Relations between the top United States general in Iraq and Nouri al-Maliki, the country's prime minister, are so bad that the Iraqi leader made a direct appeal for his removal to President George W Bush.

Maliki is the Shitty-ite Hegemony's Man.

China-Pakistan-N Korea-Iran-Shitty-ite Empire is the line up.

Boy George's supposed boy, Talabani, Maliki's number 2, just went to Red China and spent $100,MILLION US Taxpayer Dollars buying CHINESE arms for the US-backed Shiite Regime.

While I am at it, the Drug Lord from MEXICO was CHINESE.

This bit of info went *poof* down the glory hole and no one here even wanted to comment on it.

Does everyone here wish the destruction of what little is left of the United States? It seems like that is the case.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-28   8:54:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

If tomorrow every American now in Iraq was raptured up, Maliki would be just another decapitation vid on Youtube within 24 hours.

I don't think so.

I think Maliki is Iran-China-Shitty-ite hegemony's man on the scene.

Boy Jorge just used piss poor judgement, as usual, or was told to screw and humiliate the US even more and let the red hordes and beheading Shitty-ites have their way.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-28   8:56:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: JCHarris (#6)

Are you telling me all those ragamuffins in robes, waving purple "I voted" fingers in the air was a ruse??? And their "leader" a mere puppet to powers other than Prince George? goodholylordabove.......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-28   9:23:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

If Maliki publicly said that Petraeus was unwelcome in his country and had to be replaced, it would make things very awkward indeed for the Bush administration.

I'd say that's power.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-07-28   9:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: aristeides (#8)

If Maliki publicly said that Petraeus was unwelcome in his country and had to be replaced, it would make things very awkward indeed for the Bush administration.

It also indicates the level of insanity our Iraqi policy has become. Saddam was a Sunni; we deposed him and installed Maliki, only to re-arm the Sunnis to fight on our side against the Shia. This is without question the most flawed foreign policy blunder in the history of our nation. Thank-you Mr. Bush, with your wacky blend of Christianity and GOP'er politics. And they call us KooKs.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-28   9:57:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Burkeman1 (#1)

Bush's refusal to remove Petraeus supports your view of the situation. Iraq is to be kept in a permanent state of helplessness as long as Bush is in charge.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-28   9:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

It also indicates the level of insanity our Iraqi policy has become.

I don't think the policy has changed a bit - insanity is the plan. Well, humiliation, depopulation and profit anyway. Not exactly the greatest of ideals.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-28   10:04:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Dakmar (#11)

insanity is the plan

Yep, and what's really insane is that the wacky-ones who hatched it can't recognize how nutty it is. BTW, these press conferences from Bagdad are beginning to remind me of the old Groucho Marx show, complete with the rubber duck.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-28   10:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

They make their own reality, remember? What else would we expect.

"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2007-07-28   10:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#9)

Saddam was a Sunni; we deposed him and installed Maliki, only to re-arm the Sunnis to fight on our side against the Shia.

I am on record as always having LIKED Saddam, even during the 12 years of TOTAL BRAINWASHING the American public received from ALL of our major media after Iraq invaded Kuwait after checking with the U.S. ambassador to see if it was okay (and she told him it was fine by her).

We now clearly see (as anyone with ANY common sense could have) that Saddam was the only thing which was holding together Iraq, a confederation of dozens of tribes and ethnicities and not even totally a Muslim one as there used to be more than a million Christians there, including Tariq Aziz, one of his chief aides. Saddam was Iraq's version of Yugoslavia's Josip Broz Tito.

Saddam fought against Iran for eight years with massive aid from the U.S. There's that famous photo of him in 1983 towering over the midget Rumsfeld to thank him for his visit after they signed the deal for the chemical weapons.

But after the U.S. media, on orders from Israel first and Bush 41 later (Bush 41 and Saddam were business partners shaking down the Saudis and had a falling-out), turned this guy into the "new Hitler," it almost became inevitable that "Joe Man-On-The-Street" would blame all his ills, real and imagined, on this designated villain.

Fortunately "Joe Man" only knows the term "Muslim" or its variant created by Fox News Channel - "Islamofascist" - and agrees with Franklin Graham and various other Southern Baptist chickenhawks that Islam is EE-vull and must be eradicated from the planet (good luck with that).

"Joe Man" is not a nimble enough thinker to differentiate among the various sects (and, frankly, doesn't care to devote enough time to the subject to find out, what with his other interests such as NASCAR, country music, etc.).

"Joe Man" only wonders why we haven't KILLED THEM ALL rather than arming one side or the other and then switching sides when the balance is threatened. "Joe Man" also is wondering why gasoline prices have doubled. Part of the deal - wink, wink - was that Iraq would be pumping six million barrels a day by now and oil would be $20 a barrel. Rupert Murdoch even said so.

Murdoch himself said the greatest thing to come out of the war would be "$20 a barrel for oil."

The benefits of education and of useful knowledge, generally diffused through a community, are essential to the preservation of a free government. - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2007-07-28   11:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Sam Houston (#14)

I am on record as always having LIKED Saddam, even during the 12 years of TOTAL BRAINWASHING the American public received from ALL of our major media after Iraq invaded Kuwait after checking with the U.S. ambassador to see if it was okay (and she told him it was fine by her).

Sadaam could have been bought for a song.

Clinton did it.

JCHarris  posted on  2007-07-28   12:10:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Sam Houston (#14)

Part of the deal - wink, wink - was that Iraq would be pumping six million barrels a day by now and oil would be $20 a barrel. Rupert Murdoch even said so.

oh boy. so, iow, all Iraq belong to US.

christine  posted on  2007-07-28   12:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Sam Houston (#14)

Now that you mention it, I liked Saddam too. What’s to dislike about a guy who was at ease in a robe, swim suit or pork pie hat? And what about those rifle shots off his balcony? It was a freaking beautiful thing.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-07-28   12:31:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Sam Houston (#14)

Despite his brutality and all his faults, there is no doubt that Saddam engendered the creation, no doubt the trends already existed, of the most literate, secular and technocratic savvy Arab population in the ME.

I think the saying went, the Egyptians write the books, and the Iraqis read them.

He and his Baath Party were also instrumental in encouraging women to engage in all fields of endeavour, including science and medicine, and to create a secular sphere in civil society that moved away from much of the misogny of the Arab world.

Even during the Iran war, Baghdad was one of the most cosmopolitan if Arab cities, Beirut being destroyed at that time, where one could have a beer along with fresh fried fish caught in the Tigris. Now, they won't fish the Tigris because of the sheer number of corpses in it. They even have a corpse catchbasin downstream of Baghdad now.

The meek may inherit the earth -- but not its mineral rights. -- J. Paul Getty

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-07-28   14:40:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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