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Title: Truthers - Steel cantilevered bridge collapses - What happened?
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Published: Aug 2, 2007
Author: EdCondon
Post Date: 2007-08-02 08:07:26 by EdCondon
Keywords: 9/11 truthers, troofers, steel WTC
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No fire! No planes! No muslims that anyone could see ... Wha happened?
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#47. To: JCHarris (#46)
When God's ready to let it happen...when He thinks we've learned our lesson, probably, or when "He sees our strength is gone", or when He takes pity and has mercy on us....or all the above. If you read my reply to you on the other thread, you will see my explanation that Christians are true Israel, and Christian America is the New Israel/New Jerusalem of prophecy. We have followed in the footsteps of the first Israel...they rejected God from ruling over them, and asked for a king: 1Sa 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them...... and He proceeded to warn them of what would become of them under their king: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Sa/1Sa008.html#7 Jesus said to call no man on earth your father, because you have one Father who is in heaven. After this country was founded in the name of Jesus Christ [see Psalm 2:6], what did we do....we got ourselves a "king" and called HIM the FATHER OF OUR COUNTRY. However, God said He WOULD rule over His people Israel.... Eze 20:33 ¶ [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you: Eze 20:34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out. Eze 20:35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. Eze 20:36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord GOD. Eze 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant: [He's talking about the NEW Covenant here] Eze 20:38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD..... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze020.html#33 ================================================= Deu 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that [their] power is gone, and [there is] none shut up, or left. Deu 32:37 And he shall say, Where [are] their gods, [their] rock in whom they trusted, Deu 32:38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, [and] drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, [and] be your protection. Deu 32:39 See now that I, [even] I, [am] he, and [there is] no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither [is there any] that can deliver out of my hand. Deu 32:40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever. Deu 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. Deu 32:42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; [and that] with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy. Deu 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people..... http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Deu/Deu032.html#36 Isa 10:24 ¶ Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt. Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction. Isa 10:26 And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and [as] his rod [was] upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt. Isa 10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa010.html#25 probably the best thing we could do: 2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/7/14.html ======================== pentagram = pentagon
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
That's what happened. It is also interesting, in a 'post 9/11 world', critical 'corridor' bridges, were NOT under constant scrutiny for structural soundness and security. To protect life, limb and big business. I am so glad to hear that big business is REALLY chipping in to help the workers. With Granola bars and plastic chairs. That is REALLY nice. Target is throwing in some shirts. I do have a cheaper suggestion here. Perhaps those businesses could outsource themselves and eliminate the need for rebuilding. Move the college into the FEMA trailers.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
We don't know that they didn't yet. Stock market hula for two weeks, someone made money.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
BTW, the shirts, chairs and granola bars were probably made in China. Just sayin'.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Yep.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
But I guess we're (they're) going to beat that timeline now. Wanna bet?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
~: / No.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
I haven't heard but has Mayor Rudy shown up on the disaster scene yet? I mean, what a way to grab the 9/11 conscience. Opportunity knocks, yet no candidate answers? How ODD.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
ROLFth !!!!! Perfect.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
This just in. FoxNews' Neil Cavuto reports that upon hearing the news of the bridge collapse, Iranians and Syrians, jumped for joy. Distraction duly noted.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
I have a couple questions. We have this video of the bridge collapse and it was seen and released already early today. In what, not even 12 hours? Where after 6 years are the videos of the aircraft impact at the Pentagon that still haven't been released? Where after 11 years are the videos of the bombing at OKC? The NTSB said it was going to save and preserve EVERY piece of the bridge, and may reconstruct it. You mean we are not hiring Tomaseti-Thorton to haul all the steel away to China. Where is Gene Corley, CDI, FEMA, NIST and all the other criminals? I'll tell ya. There not needed here, this truly looks like a failure of some type. Gene Corley and the boys only come in to cover up the government false flag fingerprints.
Mark "I was real close to Building 7 when it fell down... That didn't sound like just a building falling down to me while I was running away from it. There's a lot of eyewitness testimony down there of hearing explosions. [..] and the whole time you're hearing "boom, boom, boom, boom, boom." I think I know an explosion when I hear it... — Former NYC Police Officer and 9/11 Rescue Worker Craig Bartmer
Quote from Murray N. Rothbard "It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any outcropping of what is now called 'a conspiracy theory of history.' For a search for 'conspiracies,' as misguided as the results often are, means a search for motives, and an attribution of individual responsibility for the historical misdeeds of ruling elites. If, however, any tyranny or venality, or aggressive war imposed by the State was brought about not by particular State rulers but by mysterious and arcane 'social forces,' or by the imperfect state of the world -- or if, in some way, everyone was guilty -- then there is no point in anyone's becoming indignant or rising up against such misdeeds. Furthermore, a discrediting of 'conspiracy theories' will make the subjects more likely to believe the 'general welfare' reasons that are invariably put forth by the modern State for engaging in aggressive actions." Quote by: Murray N. Rothbard (1926-1995) Dean of the Austrian School of Economics Source: For a New Liberty (New York: Macmillan, 1973), p. 6 "Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
I think it collapse for no reason whatsoever. A spontaneous collapse if you will. A catostrophic event which is in no way predictable or preventable, and something that can happen at any time and place to any kind of structure, regardless of it's construction materials, methods, design or modifications. Therefore no person is suitable to accept either responsibility or blame. Perhaps this bit of sarcasm sufficiently argues that there IS a cause for all events like this bridge collapse. We just don't know the cause of this one.
New tactic Kamala. And 24 hours haven't passed yet. Full force of the Fed Guv already been there and seen. NTSB already stated, don't expect an answer for at least a year. So, how do we 'fix' with funding, that which we don't know caused the failure? Same experts that gave the bridge to 2020, going to be trusted with prioritizaion? There is not enough analysis at this point to fund anything. Especially when this bridge was 50 on the list, and not in 'imminent danger' of collapse. This STINKS.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
Well, I think this is a really cheap shot that you made; contrast what the truthers are doing with 9/11 about 4,000 casualtys and all I wanted to do is get a head start on what the established and well-informed truthers thought of this event early-on. (I am almost inclined to believe that you might have truther tendancies, but I will not make that leap at this time. I will see how you respond to this post first.) Why wait until YEARS after the event, we should ALL be grabbing news accounts and recording ANY video that is being shone - some ONLY once maybe! So you see, there is good reason to ask this question now, to get answers now, and prepare for the future possible cover-up by government and its many stooges. In case you did not notice, a good portion of that bridge over land also fell down. Highly unusual. Almost like they 'pulled it' like some say the towers and WTC 7 was. No?
Highly unusual. Almost like they 'pulled it' like some say the towers and WTC 7 was. No? No, if you look at the video, the farthest spans (over land, are part of the bridge) Video http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?aid=51385&bw= Span snapshots http://www.kare11.com/interactive_bridge_map.aspx
That's right, a good portion of that bridge was over land and it also fell down. Were we dealing with 'weak steel' here?
Yes, and joints, cracks and rusted fasteners.
Statisticly speaking what are the chances so many failures across the entire length would fail at the same time?
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
Well Homeland security has already ruled out terrorism despite the fact they weren't there, didn't see it happen, and know nothing about bridges. The better question right now is how do they know it wasn't terrorism? And what about Chertoff's gut? We really shouldn't ignore the guy's gut feeling about terror attacks, should we? Maybe his gut told him this wasn't a terror attack. Hmmmm...
God is always good! E, By what stretch of common sense, would a city build a monster stadium, if they KNEW, that a bridge, TO IT, was a time bomb? If the neglect was deliberate, who benefitted? It's not the stadium that was built, it was those who built it. Along another line, we have been told today, that the bridge was inspected in '05, '06, and already this year. By what standard did it pass, knowing the increased loads, KNOWING, it is a main corridor for FedEX, to pass to Canada, and down to our favorite nation helping us in this WOT, Mexico? KNOWING, the increased truck traffic... knowing the nearby construction causing additional load... Knowing, it was going it blow, at an incredible opportune time. How in Gods name, could all this be overlooked, considering, it was deemed 'deficient' in '05? The answer shouldn't be decided by unqualified spectators. Though for some, it's an opportunistic kill sport. (edited)
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
Great point RickyJ. Well if his gut TELLS him that terror is coming, then a significant bridge collapse, should at least give him gas. And the "cheese" (incident) stands alone.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
The daily headlines tell us the usual suspects benefited...maybe, according to occult beliefs also, Aug 1 was a calendar killin' time too...
Bullshit. The patronizing tone in your original post says it all. You're just upset because you got called on it. Your wiggling above just makes you look pathetic. You took a cheap shot at something the people here take seriously, you got your covers yanked and then you whine about it and try to make it into something that it isn't. If you don't want to live with what you posted at the top of the thread, don't post it to begin with.
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And that would be an awful thing wouldn't it. Are you saying that would make my viewpoint less valuable than a person that didn't have "truther tendencies"? I think this little gem proves my original thesis, i.e., your original post is a patronizing put down something that some people here take very seriously. If this is true, and your slip quoted above seems to indicate this, then your post number 68 above is nothing but a pack of whiney lies. You had no honorable motives when you posted this thread. It was, as I originally indicated, a cheap shot.
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I wondered about that, but dared not post such.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
Where after 11 years are the videos of the bombing at OKC? The NTSB said it was going to save and preserve EVERY piece of the bridge, and may reconstruct it. You mean we are not hiring Tomaseti-Thorton to haul all the steel away to China. Where is Gene Corley, CDI, FEMA, NIST and all the other criminals? I'll tell ya. There not needed here, this truly looks like a failure of some type. Gene Corley and the boys only come in to cover up the government false flag fingerprints. right on
The patronizing tone in your original post says it all. You're just upset because you got called on it. Scatagorically right on.
"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)
August 1st sabat known as the harvest of souls.
Lammas: The First Harvest It was upon a Lammas Night The time went by with careless heed Corn rigs and barley rigs, Although in the heat of a Mid-western summer it might be difficult to discern, the festival of Lammas (Aug 1st) marks the end of summer and the beginning of fall. The days now grow visibly shorter and by the time we've reached autumn's end (Oct 31st), we will have run the gammut of temperature from the heat of August to the cold and (sometimes) snow of November. And in the midst of it, a perfect Mid-western autumn. The history of Lammas is as convoluted as all the rest of the old folk holidays. It is of course a cross-quarter day, one of the four High Holidays or Greater Sabbats of Witchcraft, occuring 1/4 of a year after Beltane. It's true astrological point is 15 degrees Leo, but tradition has set August 1st as the day Lammas is typically celebrated. The celebration proper would begin on sundown of the previous evening, our July 31st, since the Celts reckon their days from sundown to sundown. However, British Witches often refer to the astrological date of Aug 6th as Old Lammas, and folklorists call it Lammas O.S. ('Old Style'). This date has long been considered a 'power point' of the Zodiac, and is symbolized by the Lion, one of the 'tetramorph' figures found on the Tarot cards, the World and the Wheel of Fortune (the other three figures being the Bull, the Eagle, and the Spirit). Astrologers know these four figures as the symbols of the four 'fixed' signs of the Zodiac, and these naturally allign with the four Great Sabbats of Witchcraft. Christians have adopted the same iconography to represent the four gospel-writers. 'Lammas' was the medieval Christian name for the holiday and it means 'loaf-mass', for this was the day on which loaves of bread were baked from the first grain harvest and laid on the church altars as offerings. It was a day representative of 'first fruits' and early harvest. In Irish Gaelic, the feast was referred to as 'Lugnasadh', a feast to commemorate the funeral games of the Irish sun-god Lugh. However, there is some confusion on this point. Although at first glance, it may seem that we are celebrating the death of Lugh, the god of light does not really die (mythically) until the autumnal equinox. And indeed, if we read the Irish myths closer, we discover that it is not Lugh's death that is being celebrated, but the funeral games which Lugh hosted to commemorate the death of his foster-mother, Taillte. That is why the Lugnasadh celebrations in Ireland are often called the 'Tailltean Games'. One common feature of the Games were the 'Tailltean marriages', a rather informal marriage that lasted for only 'a year and a day' or until next Lammas. At that time, the couple could decide to continue the arrangement if it pleased them, or to stand back to back and walk away from one another, thus bringing the Tailltean marriage to a formal close. Such trial marriages (obviously related to the Wiccan 'Handfasting') were quite common even into the 1500's, although it was something one 'didn't bother the parish priest about'. Indeed, such ceremonies were usually solemnized by a poet, bard, or shanachie (or, it may be guessed, by a priest or priestess of the Old Religion). Lammastide was also the traditional time of year for craft festivals. The medieval guilds would create elaborate displays of their wares, decorating their shops and themselves in bright colors and ribbons, marching in parades, and performing strange, ceremonial plays and dances for the entranced onlookers. The atmosphere must have been quite similar to our modern-day Renaissance Festivals, such as the one celebrated in near-by Bonner Springs, Kansas, each fall. A ceremonial highlight of such festivals was the 'Catherine wheel'. Although the Roman Church moved St. Catherine's feast day all around the calender with bewildering frequency, it's most popular date was Lammas. (They also kept trying to expel this much-loved saint from the ranks of the blessed because she was mythical rather than historical, and because her worship gave rise to the heretical sect known as the Cathari.) At any rate, a large wagon wheel was taken to the top of a near-by hill, covered with tar, set aflame, and ceremoniously rolled down the hill. Some mythologists see in this ritual the remnants of a Pagan rite symbolizing the end of summer, the flaming disk representing the sun-god in his decline. And just as the sun king has now reached the autumn of his years, his rival or dark self has just reached puberty. Many comentators have bewailed the fact that traditional Gardnerian and Alexandrian Books of Shadows say very little about the holiday of Lammas, stating only that poles should be ridden and a circle dance performed. This seems strange, for Lammas is a holiday of rich mythic and cultural associations, providing endless resources for liturgical celebration.
I've forsaken my Celtic roots...as for happiness, prosperity...never done us any good...
i like the summer night poem above and the idea of a late summer celebration.
Here is a really good graphic of the bridge. http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/20070803_BRIDGE_GRAPHIC.html#step1
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#48. To: EdCondon (#0)
#49. To: ghostdogtxn (#48)
The Bush administration refused to fund repairing it after it was declared structurally unsound in 2005. Like the folks in the Twin Towers, those killed on the bridge were killed by George Bush's incompetence and corruption.
#50. To: Calamity (#49)
#51. To: ghostdogtxn (#50)
There's no profit in watching bridges. How's Blackwater or Exxon supposed to make money off of that kind of thing?
#52. To: Calamity (#51)
#53. To: ghostdogtxn (#50)
#54. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
#55. To: Calamity (#53)
#56. To: ghostdogtxn (#52)
got paid for fixing the bridge.
#57. To: EdCondon (#0)
#58. To: EdCondon (#4)
it was a 40 yr old bridge ... due for replacement in 2020.
#59. To: ghostdogtxn (#55)
Probably? Can it be doubted?
#60. To: ghostdogtxn (#55)
#61. To: Calamity (#60)
#62. To: ghostdogtxn (#61)
"I'm jutht tho proud to be here in Minethota. And I can tell you that on Theptember eleventh, 2001 I wath proud to be there too, when I wath needed. And jutht like the heroic polithemen there helped out the people, I want you to know that the heroic therfithmen of Michigan, Er, Minnethota will be moving to help right away. And the terrerrith may have thtruck a blow on Theptember eleventh, but they can't defeat the great American thpirit. Oopth. Gotta Go, I thee a camera!"
#63. To: All (#62)
#64. To: angle, all, robin, esso, Skydrifter, Christine (#44)
#65. To: All (#62)
#66. To: EdCondon (#0)
#67. To: Kamala (#64)
#68. To: ... (#6)
The truther guys really get to you huh? This attempted cheap shot shows it.
#69. To: EdCondon (#68)
(Edited)
In case you did not notice, a good portion of that bridge over land also fell down.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#70. To: Eoghan (#69)
No, if you look at the video, the farthest spans (over land, are part of the bridge)
#71. To: EdCondon (#70)
Were we dealing with 'weak steel' here?
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#72. To: Eoghan, EdCondon (#71)
#73. To: EdCondon (#0)
(Edited)
Wha happened?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]
#74. To: Eoghan (#71)
(Edited)
Were we dealing with 'weak steel' here? Yes, and joints, cracks and rusted fasteners.
#75. To: RickyJ (#73)
Well Homeland security has already ruled out terrorism despite the fact they weren't there, didn't see it happen, and know nothing about bridges. The better question right now is how do they know it wasn't terrorism? And what about Chertoff's gut? We really shouldn't ignore the guy's gut feeling about terror attacks, should we? Maybe his gut told him this wasn't a terror attack. Hmmmm...
#76. To: Calamity (#74)
who benefitted? It's not the stadium that was built, it was those who built it.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#77. To: EdCondon (#68)
... all I wanted to do is get a head start on what the established and well-informed truthers thought of this event early-on.
#78. To: EdCondon (#68)
I am almost inclined to believe that you might have truther tendancies ...
#79. To: Eoghan (#76)
Aug 1 was a calendar killin' time too...
#80. To: Kamala, TommyTheMadArtist (#64)
Where after 6 years are the videos of the aircraft impact at the Pentagon that still haven't been released?
#81. To: ... (#77)
Bullshit.
#82. To: Calamity (#79)
I wondered about that, but dared not post such.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#83. To: Eoghan (#82)
When corn rigs are bonny,
Beneath the Moon's unclouded light,
I held awhile to Annie...
Between the late and early,
With small persuasion she agreed
To see me through the barley...
Corn rigs are bonny!
I'll not forget that happy night
Among the rigs with Annie!
#84. To: Morgana le Fay (#83)
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#85. To: Eoghan (#84)
#86. To: All (#0)
#87. To: ghostdogtxn (#61)
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