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Title: Truthers - Steel cantilevered bridge collapses - What happened?
Source: Self
URL Source: http://Press
Published: Aug 2, 2007
Author: EdCondon
Post Date: 2007-08-02 08:07:26 by EdCondon
Keywords: 9/11 truthers, troofers, steel WTC
Views: 868
Comments: 87

No fire!

No planes!

No muslims that anyone could see ...

Wha happened?

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#6. To: EdCondon (#0)

Wha happened?

A childish, silly, unfair and loaded question for the morning after.

But you know that.

The truther guys really get to you huh? This attempted cheap shot shows it.

...  posted on  2007-08-02   9:29:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: ... (#6)

The truther guys really get to you huh? This attempted cheap shot shows it.

Well, I think this is a really cheap shot that you made; contrast what the truthers are doing with 9/11 about 4,000 casualtys and all I wanted to do is get a head start on what the established and well-informed truthers thought of this event early-on.

(I am almost inclined to believe that you might have truther tendancies, but I will not make that leap at this time. I will see how you respond to this post first.)

Why wait until YEARS after the event, we should ALL be grabbing news accounts and recording ANY video that is being shone - some ONLY once maybe!

So you see, there is good reason to ask this question now, to get answers now, and prepare for the future possible cover-up by government and its many stooges.

In case you did not notice, a good portion of that bridge over land also fell down.

Highly unusual.

Almost like they 'pulled it' like some say the towers and WTC 7 was.

No?

EdCondon  posted on  2007-08-02   20:57:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: EdCondon (#68) (Edited)

In case you did not notice, a good portion of that bridge over land also fell down.

Highly unusual.

Almost like they 'pulled it' like some say the towers and WTC 7 was.

No?

No, if you look at the video, the farthest spans (over land, are part of the bridge)

Video http://www.kare11.com/video/player.aspx?aid=51385&bw=

Span snapshots http://www.kare11.com/interactive_bridge_map.aspx

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-02   21:10:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Eoghan (#69)

No, if you look at the video, the farthest spans (over land, are part of the bridge)

That's right, a good portion of that bridge was over land and it also fell down.

Were we dealing with 'weak steel' here?

EdCondon  posted on  2007-08-02   21:22:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: EdCondon (#70)

Were we dealing with 'weak steel' here?

Yes, and joints, cracks and rusted fasteners.

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-02   21:31:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Eoghan (#71) (Edited)

Were we dealing with 'weak steel' here? Yes, and joints, cracks and rusted fasteners.

E,

By what stretch of common sense, would a city build a monster stadium, if they KNEW, that a bridge, TO IT, was a time bomb? If the neglect was deliberate, who benefitted? It's not the stadium that was built, it was those who built it.

Along another line, we have been told today, that the bridge was inspected in '05, '06, and already this year.

By what standard did it pass, knowing the increased loads, KNOWING, it is a main corridor for FedEX, to pass to Canada, and down to our favorite nation helping us in this WOT, Mexico?

KNOWING, the increased truck traffic... knowing the nearby construction causing additional load...

Knowing, it was going it blow, at an incredible opportune time. How in Gods name, could all this be overlooked, considering, it was deemed 'deficient' in '05?

The answer shouldn't be decided by unqualified spectators. Though for some, it's an opportunistic kill sport.

(edited)

Calamity  posted on  2007-08-02   22:33:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Calamity (#74)

who benefitted? It's not the stadium that was built, it was those who built it.

The daily headlines tell us the usual suspects benefited...maybe, according to occult beliefs also, Aug 1 was a calendar killin' time too...

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-02   22:48:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Eoghan (#76)

Aug 1 was a calendar killin' time too...

I wondered about that, but dared not post such.

Calamity  posted on  2007-08-02   22:54:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Calamity (#79)

I wondered about that, but dared not post such.

August 1st sabat known as the harvest of souls.

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-02   23:25:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#83. To: Eoghan (#82)

Lammas: The First Harvest

It was upon a Lammas Night
When corn rigs are bonny,
Beneath the Moon's unclouded light,
I held awhile to Annie...

The time went by with careless heed
Between the late and early,
With small persuasion she agreed
To see me through the barley...

Corn rigs and barley rigs,
Corn rigs are bonny!
I'll not forget that happy night
Among the rigs with Annie!

Although in the heat of a Mid-western summer it might be difficult to discern, the festival of Lammas (Aug 1st) marks the end of summer and the beginning of fall. The days now grow visibly shorter and by the time we've reached autumn's end (Oct 31st), we will have run the gammut of temperature from the heat of August to the cold and (sometimes) snow of November. And in the midst of it, a perfect Mid-western autumn.

The history of Lammas is as convoluted as all the rest of the old folk holidays. It is of course a cross-quarter day, one of the four High Holidays or Greater Sabbats of Witchcraft, occuring 1/4 of a year after Beltane. It's true astrological point is 15 degrees Leo, but tradition has set August 1st as the day Lammas is typically celebrated. The celebration proper would begin on sundown of the previous evening, our July 31st, since the Celts reckon their days from sundown to sundown.

However, British Witches often refer to the astrological date of Aug 6th as Old Lammas, and folklorists call it Lammas O.S. ('Old Style'). This date has long been considered a 'power point' of the Zodiac, and is symbolized by the Lion, one of the 'tetramorph' figures found on the Tarot cards, the World and the Wheel of Fortune (the other three figures being the Bull, the Eagle, and the Spirit). Astrologers know these four figures as the symbols of the four 'fixed' signs of the Zodiac, and these naturally allign with the four Great Sabbats of Witchcraft. Christians have adopted the same iconography to represent the four gospel-writers.

'Lammas' was the medieval Christian name for the holiday and it means 'loaf-mass', for this was the day on which loaves of bread were baked from the first grain harvest and laid on the church altars as offerings. It was a day representative of 'first fruits' and early harvest.

In Irish Gaelic, the feast was referred to as 'Lugnasadh', a feast to commemorate the funeral games of the Irish sun-god Lugh. However, there is some confusion on this point. Although at first glance, it may seem that we are celebrating the death of Lugh, the god of light does not really die (mythically) until the autumnal equinox. And indeed, if we read the Irish myths closer, we discover that it is not Lugh's death that is being celebrated, but the funeral games which Lugh hosted to commemorate the death of his foster-mother, Taillte. That is why the Lugnasadh celebrations in Ireland are often called the 'Tailltean Games'.

One common feature of the Games were the 'Tailltean marriages', a rather informal marriage that lasted for only 'a year and a day' or until next Lammas. At that time, the couple could decide to continue the arrangement if it pleased them, or to stand back to back and walk away from one another, thus bringing the Tailltean marriage to a formal close. Such trial marriages (obviously related to the Wiccan 'Handfasting') were quite common even into the 1500's, although it was something one 'didn't bother the parish priest about'. Indeed, such ceremonies were usually solemnized by a poet, bard, or shanachie (or, it may be guessed, by a priest or priestess of the Old Religion).

Lammastide was also the traditional time of year for craft festivals. The medieval guilds would create elaborate displays of their wares, decorating their shops and themselves in bright colors and ribbons, marching in parades, and performing strange, ceremonial plays and dances for the entranced onlookers. The atmosphere must have been quite similar to our modern-day Renaissance Festivals, such as the one celebrated in near-by Bonner Springs, Kansas, each fall.

A ceremonial highlight of such festivals was the 'Catherine wheel'. Although the Roman Church moved St. Catherine's feast day all around the calender with bewildering frequency, it's most popular date was Lammas. (They also kept trying to expel this much-loved saint from the ranks of the blessed because she was mythical rather than historical, and because her worship gave rise to the heretical sect known as the Cathari.) At any rate, a large wagon wheel was taken to the top of a near-by hill, covered with tar, set aflame, and ceremoniously rolled down the hill. Some mythologists see in this ritual the remnants of a Pagan rite symbolizing the end of summer, the flaming disk representing the sun-god in his decline. And just as the sun king has now reached the autumn of his years, his rival or dark self has just reached puberty.

Many comentators have bewailed the fact that traditional Gardnerian and Alexandrian Books of Shadows say very little about the holiday of Lammas, stating only that poles should be ridden and a circle dance performed. This seems strange, for Lammas is a holiday of rich mythic and cultural associations, providing endless resources for liturgical celebration.

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2007-08-02 23:34:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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