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Title: Records-search plan alarms civil-liberties groups
Source: Yahoo News
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/congress_patriot_dc
Published: May 23, 2005
Author: Alan Elsner
Post Date: 2005-05-23 17:56:00 by boonie rat
Keywords: civil-liberties, Records-search, alarms
Views: 35
Comments: 6

Records-search plan alarms civil-liberties groups

By Alan Elsner 1 hour, 2 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. civil-liberties groups said on Monday they were alarmed at new provisions to be considered in Congress this week to strengthen the government's ability to seize private records without judicial review.

Officials from the American Civil Liberties Union, the Open Society Institute and the Center for Democracy and Technology said in a telephone conference call the new provisions to the USA Patriot Act would allow the FBI to secretly demand medical, tax, gun-purchase, travel and other records without approval from a judge.

The act was passed shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and 16 of its provisions are scheduled to expire at the end of this year unless Congress renews them.

The Senate intelligence committee is scheduled to hold a closed session on Thursday to begin considering the renewal legislation, the first step toward a reauthorization vote sought by the Bush administration. The timetable could be disrupted by the current Senate showdown over judicial appointments.

Jim Dempsey, executive director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, said the changes being considered to the original law include far-reaching provisions that would curtail civil liberties.

"This bill includes ideas long sought, and rejected ... The idea that a FBI official could issue a piece of paper saying, 'Give me all your records' with no judicial approval, no prosecutorial review, no checks and balances," he said.

Under this provision, the FBI would be able to issue administrative subpoenas to seize such records without review by a judge or grand jury, as long as they said they were pursuing either a foreign-intelligence or terrorism investigation.

The changes are being pushed by the committee's chairman, Kansas Republican Sen. Pat Roberts (news, bio, voting record), who has said the FBI needs to have its hands untied to fully fight terrorism.

Sarah Little, a spokeswoman for Roberts, said the FBI already had similar subpoena powers when it came to ordinary criminal cases. "The FBI and the Justice Department have requested the same kind of tools for terrorism cases," she said.

In a statement last month, Roberts said U.S. intelligence services needed flexibility to confront national security threats. He said the Sept. 11 hijackers had conducted numerous transactions while planning their attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

"The records of these transactions could have been useful to the intelligence community before the attacks. Records from flight school, cell phone companies, rental car dealers or Internet service providers might have revealed crucial information," he said.

Even if they pass the committee, the outlook for the new provisions remain cloudy, since the Senate Judiciary Committee also has jurisdiction over the bill, while the House of Representatives is drawing up its own legislation.

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#1. To: boonie rat (#0)

If we're going to have an efficient and brutal police state, then we're going to have to do our patriotic duty and sacrifice a few conveniences like our rights. Only the freedom hating anti-American terrorists disagree.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-05-23   17:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: boonie rat (#0)

Oh boy, they're alarmed. But nothing will be done, as the people of this nation are too complacent, lazy, and stupid to do a goddamned thing about it.

The people of this country deserve a living hell as far as I'm concerned, especially when the idiots outnumber the free thinkers 1000 to one. It's because of idiocy we are on this path. Let it run the course, and see where we are in another 20 years. I'm not concerned at all, because the mentality of this country has become so fucking stupified it's not even funny.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-05-23   18:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#2)

Oh boy, they're alarmed. But nothing will be done, as the people of this nation are too complacent, lazy, and stupid to do a goddamned thing about it.

I will be everywhere at once, overseeing everthing that is done with my personal info. Yes, that's a good plan, a sensible plan...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-05-23   20:45:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#2)

You sound really discouraged Tommy. Somebody cheered me up with some stats about the American Revolution. It had like only 1/3 of the colonialists' support. Sorry, I can't help any more than that.

robin  posted on  2005-05-23   20:57:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#4)

No Robin, I'm not discouraged, just sick to death of the lazy, moronic, complacent, idiots of this country. I for one believe that this country deserves to be crushed, and that the people of this country should suffer, for their ignorance, their arrogance, their laziness and complacency.

The morons who run this country know exactly what they are doing. They are working to destroy this country, and amalgamate us into a soviet styled police state. Those of us who do not belong to the elite ruling class in this Leninist Oligarchy, are too fucking stupid, or too lazy to do a goddamned thing about it.

So what if only 1/3rd of Americans fought the revolution??? Do you know how many fronts a REAL PATRIOT would have to fight on???

Let's just name them shall we?

1. The Illegal Aliens From Mexico for starters would take over the southwest. That's fucking given. They are everywhere. They are actively looking to destroy this country, and turn it into Mexico North.

2. A full 40% of the population would be apathetic, and scared of any kind of freedom, thus be the turncoats, and informants. You can point the finger at stupid teenagers, and every fucking senior citizen that draws breath. Haven forbid they know freedom, or bite the hand that feeds them.

3. 30% of the population is too fucking happy to surrender their taxes, their freedoms in exchange for safety. These are your soccer mommies, and middle class pussies who are too gender neutral to have any spine. I blame so much on these fuckers, because they're the first to herd themselves into a camp somewhere believing that government will save them from terrorists. Who the hell wants to save people like that anyway???

4. You have the military, which is made up largely of brainwashed idiots who would gladly bayonet their relatives if ordered to in order to get college money. Don't believe me? Check out their questionnaire to get in the military.

5. You have the willing media vilifying anyone, and everyone who speaks the truth, so you'd have that 40% of the turncoats informing on you at any given second. Everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame, and you can believe that people will turn on their friends and family, if it gives them the reward of facetime on TV.

6. Then you have the government spooks monitoring every goddamned form of communication, because after all, they're protecting our so called freedom. Having the capability to arbitrarily go nab someone off the street at any given time without due process is always a perk when you're running a totalitarian state.

7. You'll have more people against you than you can possibly know, if you are righteous, moral, or good. That's the sickness that is this country.

I for one do not care one bit if this country bellys up, and goes Communist. It's inevitable when you have people, such as our leaders, and the general population of retards that we have. People who stand up to nothing, will fall for everything, and by GOD THEY DESERVE IT.

That's why I'm sick to death of things the way they are. People are too fucking stupid to deserve freedom. That's America. People are too fucking ignorant, to deserve freedom.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2005-05-23   23:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: TommyTheMadArtist, All -must read Tommys rant (#5)

Great post. I laughed and cried.

robin  posted on  2005-05-24   0:15:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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