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Title: U.S. border cop charged with murdering Mexican
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Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/topN ... 07?feedType=RSS&rpc=22&sp=true
Published: Aug 7, 2007
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2007-08-07 08:25:03 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 545
Comments: 49
U.S. border cop charged with murdering Mexican Tue Aug 7, 2007 7:34AM EDT BISBEE, Arizona (Reuters) - A U.S. Border Patrol agent must stand trial for murder in the shooting of a Mexican man trying to enter the United States, an Arizona judge ruled Monday in a case that drew criticism from Mexico. Agent Nicholas Corbett was charged in April with four counts of homicide in the January 12 shooting of Francisco Dominguez Rivera shortly after he crossed the border illegally on a stretch of desert between Douglas and Naco. Cochise County Justice of the Peace David Morales ruled the evidence supported lesser charges of second-degree murder, but threw out charges of first-degree murder, which supposes premeditation. The ruling followed a preliminary hearing that heard evidence from three illegal immigrants present at the shooting, a pathologist, county sheriff's detectives and two Border Patrol supervisors. No date was set for Corbett's arraignment. Following the killing, Mexico's Foreign Ministry complained of "disproportionate violence" and instructed the Mexican Embassy in Washington to investigate the circumstances. Last year, border police captured 1.1 million undocumented immigrants crossing over the border from Mexico and recorded a soaring number of attacks on agents. Lawyers for Corbett argue he shot Dominguez Rivera in self-defense after he was threatened with a rock.
Poster Comment: I'd shoot him too if he threatened m/with a rock.
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#10. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
I would back up as much as i can and look for other options. And if i am cornered that i really have to fear for my life (don't forget he had a stone and not an AK47) i would shoot his legs and arms. An agent i would say has the training for it. What do you say?
Yes and no. Do you know it? I don't. And if so there are few methods to avoid a killing......... if you want.
Actually i know it first hand. In Greece there is military draft. As i soldier i we had to control the border to albania. And shooting was only permited if a gun was there. We were not to shoot if we would get attacked with knife if there were more than 2 of us present. And again........ first legs and hands.
Yes and no. Lets start with the basic premise here. Is the "Mexican" an illegal and thus a criminal or was he a legitimate tourist? If he was illegal and a criminal, does that place him in a different light in respect to the border agent? Admitting we are dealing with a criminal, one that is threatening me with a rock, the shooting is justified. Had the "illegal" been able to disarm the agent and kill him, you would not be here???
Given this strategy, your life span as a BP would be closer to weeks than years.
Ah, the 'flesh wound' tactic. Lovely. I was trained - and I assume every academy in the nation is the same - that if your life was in danger and you pulled your gun, be prepared to shoot. The silhouette we used didn’t contain limbs. We were trained to shoot into the chest. Period, end of threat. Now I'm no John Wayne, but if an illegal comes at me w/a rock, and I feel my life is in danger, he goes. This as it should be.
I know what you are trying to say, but the law is clear - if you shoot, you shoot to kill, not maim. Most excellent advice for the private citizen as well, for multiple reasons. Besides in a panic situation trying to hit an arm or leg is something only a very well trained person could even hope to do. Best go for center of mass and unload the gun --- and be sure you have no other option. Tell the cops "I feared for my life and I only wanted to stop him".
"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men" Plato
There is no other way.
I preffer this tactic and not the 'shoot now and think later' tactic.
Met agents that haven't used their weapon in duty other than as a warning method. But again.......... the moral and character changes if you get the power to shoot anyone you want for 'feeling' threatend.
1) No doubt he is an illegal. Thus a criminal...... please..... i think you know to differ between criminal and illegal work seeker. 2) Nope. Before the law all the same till proven guilty. 3) If you watch Fox news long enough and get phychotic about your own shadow i guess so. 4) I would. I don't care if its an illegal or an citizen that had a drink too much and gets shot.
Was the the man a criminal by violating our laws????
If you go by the lawyer book, YES. But again......... common sence to differ.
I just want to make it clear........... it has nothing to do that he was-is a mexican. My whole point is how everybody is so easy and comfortable with killing and shooting a human beeing. All about the "i felt threatend" argument.
Your argument is specious at best.
No one's ever seriously thrown rocks at you, have they?
Shall we pelt them with tacos and refried beans? Good lord, is it any wonder this nation is breathing fumes?
Do you remember when we were safe in foreign countries? When no foreign country would ever dare to bomb us?
Jethro... "Lost" never lived in NYC, and appears to have never faced reality.
Greek army? Not the best army, my friend....
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... lol, yeap as you say ............ actually i am in kindergarden. You win you right. I wave the white flag... crap, i better run before you feel threatened and shoot me.
Don't care even if it was.
The point others made was that you have to be trained to shoot to kill in these instances. Otherwise you are a crap soldier. Opa!
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Percy, a crap soldier is the one who shoots blindly. The one that see's in his complex cyborg training no other way to stop a half size mexican with a stone other than killing him.
The best way to handle a rock thrower is to charge him, removing the distance the rock needs to gain the momentum needed to hurt someone. That is what I wish this official had done. I am not happy to see someone die over such a minor thing as this.
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A half-size Mexican? You are kidding, right?
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Oh god........... it feels like a court room discusiion...... Use imagination..... he definately didn't have his powerade drink and nutribar this day he crossed the border.
If Lost were the BP agent, he would shoot himself in self defense.
"after he was threatened with a rock" is what the artikel says.
Don't forget that i also would get him a rental car with A/C.
Lost, you seem to be a person who plays Monday morning quarterback. I do hear your sadness around human death, but the logic you are using is not good.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Yes, I pick up on that too.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Percy, personally i do not give a crap if someone dies. This does not mean i don't know what is right or wrong. I am replying from a logic point of view. The logical view and the humane view is my point.
So you don't care if someone lives or dies, but soldiers should second guess their targets? Look, here's a really simple example: where I grew up, there was a government piece of land by me. As a kid, I really wanted to snoop around there, and get inside. But in doing so, I knew I would get a butt full of lead. So I didn't do it. If there is a border, and military or police there, you get shot. It's really that simple.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Don't take any wooden nickels! (I have this empty space, you see.......and now I know not what to do with it.....)
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... In a BLACK and WHITE world and in a 'YOU ARE EITHER WITH ME OR AGAINST ME' world you are right. However i see more colors and options. Thanks for the talk.
there's an edit function for you to fix your typos. look at the links under your posts. ;)
I'm so glad you're here, it keeps me from wandering too far off the beaten path!! ;-)
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... Well, I hope those colors are lined with lead! See you later. Bring gyro next time.
Swimming around in my bourbon highball..... So, using that logic, I should wait until I'm hurt before attempting to defend myself. No thanks.
#11. To: Cynicom (#7)
Was the illegal trying to do something to the BP agent?
#12. To: PercyDovetonsils (#6)
#13. To: LostBody (#11)
Yes and no.
#14. To: LostBody (#10)
I would back up as much as i can and look for other options.
#15. To: LostBody (#12)
We were not to shoot if we would get attacked with knife if there were more than 2 of us present. And again........ first legs and hands.
#16. To: LostBody, jethro tull (#10)
And if i am cornered that i really have to fear for my life (don't forget he had a stone and not an AK47) i would shoot his legs and arms.
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
but if an illegal comes at me w/a rock, and I feel my life is in danger, he goes. This as it should be.
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
Ah, the 'flesh wound' tactic
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
Given this strategy, your life span as a BP would be closer to weeks than years.
#20. To: Cynicom (#13)
#21. To: LostBody (#20)
1) No doubt he is an illegal. Thus a criminal...... please..... i think you know to differ between criminal and illegal work seeker.
#22. To: Cynicom (#21)
#23. To: All (#22)
#24. To: LostBody (#22)
If you go by the lawyer book, YES.
#25. To: LostBody (#23)
All about the "i felt threatend" argument.
#26. To: Cynicom (#17)
There is no other way.
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
Shall we pelt them with tacos and refried beans? Good lord, is it any wonder this nation is breathing fumes?
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
Good lord, is it any wonder this nation is breathing fumes?
#29. To: LostBody (#12)
#30. To: Cynicom (#28)
#31. To: PercyDovetonsils (#29)
#32. To: LostBody (#31)
#33. To: PercyDovetonsils (#32)
#34. To: LostBody (#33)
#35. To: LostBody (#33)
#36. To: PercyDovetonsils (#35)
#37. To: PercyDovetonsils (#35)
You are kidding, right?
#38. To: BlueEyedGirl (#25)
No one's ever seriously thrown rocks at you, have they?
#39. To: Cynicom (#37)
#40. To: LostBody (#36)
#41. To: Cynicom (#37)
#42. To: PercyDovetonsils (#40)
#43. To: LostBody (#42)
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#44. To: All (#43)
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#45. To: PercyDovetonsils (#43)
#46. To: PercyDovetonsils (#44)
#47. To: christine (#46)
#48. To: LostBody (#45)
#49. To: LostBody (#38)
"after he was threatened with a rock" is what the artikel says.
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