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Title: Christopher Bollyn (today): The Lonesome Death of the American Dream
Source: http://www.rumormillnews.com
URL Source: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=107572
Published: Aug 8, 2007
Author: Christopher Bollyn
Post Date: 2007-08-08 15:17:04 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 478
Comments: 29

The Lonesome Death of the American Dream

Posted By: ChristopherBollyn <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 8 August 2007, 5:38 a.m.

In Response To: The Bollyn Trial: The Criminalization of an Outspoken Journalist *PIC* (ChristopherBollyn)

The following article from the blogspot of Smokingmirrors is a very well written appeal to Americans to take action and hold their leaders accountable and take responsibility "for what happens in your name or you soon won't even have a name, you'll have a number."

Smokingmirrors writes that "the worst part of all the evils" is "what is happening to The Laws of the Land." I couldn't agree more.

"America was a nation of laws," he writes. "You may think it is the police and the army that protects you. You may think God is watching over America."

"Your most serious danger is what is happening to your laws; to the basic foundation of your rule of law. And this, this is what is intended by those who are determined to and engaged in the effort to enslave you.

"It is your laws that determine how and where and when the military will act; how the police will act. It is your laws that determine whether agents of the law can drag you from your homes in the middle of the night. It is your laws that allow for you to be beaten by agents of the law for flying a flag up side down on your front porch. It is your laws that determine whether you can be shoved around, denied the right of assembly and generally messed with whenever they want to mess with you.

"Where are the laws that go into force when those who enforce the law are breaking the law? Where is the process that should be automatic that deters the abuse of the law by those empowered to defend it? Where is this thing that isn’t working as I type these words?"

The Lonesome Death of The American Dream

http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com

As bad as we know it is; two terms of an unelected psychopathic stooge in the presidency, a murderous assault on home ground by the very government empowered to protect the people against it, the daily erosion of personal freedom, the trashing of the economy, the banal vomit inducing entertainments, the collective efforts of disinfo agents who present themselves as truthseekers, the cowardly opposition party crawling backwards in estrus toward the dark side, the control of American foreign policy by a foreign government and the enormous human suffering it has all brought about… as bad as it all is, it just keeps getting worse.

The worst part of all the evils presently operating under diplomatic immunity and protected by SWAT-bot forces of true believer enforcement agencies is what is happening to The Laws of the Land. America was a nation of laws. You may think it is the police and the army that protects you. You may think God is watching over America. You may have the idea that The Second Amendment provides you with a catastrophe backup and - there - there is the area I want to visit today; no, not The Second Amendment but that of which it is a part.

The most serious danger you face is not from terrorists, crazed gun nuts, or even your poor discipline about what you eat and your reluctance to exercise. The first two are minor possibilities akin to being struck by lightning. The second is a real concern but more of a long term thing. Your most serious danger is what is happening to your laws; to the basic foundation of your rule of law. And this, this is what is intended by those who are determined to and engaged in the effort to enslave you.

It is your laws that determine how and where and when the military will act; how the police will act.
It is your laws that determine whether agents of the law can drag you from your homes in the middle of the night.
It is your laws that allow for you to be beaten by agents of the law for flying a flag up side down on your front porch.
It is your laws that determine whether you can be shoved around, denied the right of assembly and generally messed with whenever they want to mess with you.

Where are the laws that go into force when those who enforce the law are breaking the law? Where is the process that should be automatic that deters the abuse of the law by those empowered to defend it? Where is this thing that isn’t working as I type these words?

You don’t wake up one morning in a concentration camp and then wonder what happened. You were supposed to see the steps in the process. You were supposed to say something. You were supposed to get together with your neighbors and make a whole helluva lot of noise. You should have been smart enough to see all the manufactured events that led to all of the laws that were being designed to protect you from the imaginary threats being drummed up by those who were empowered to protect you and which wound up stripping you of your basic rights.

You should have wondered at the missing ballots in Ohio. You should have wondered at the yo-yo terror alerts. You should have wondered at the endless string of lies that justified all the horror and bloodshed and… you should have done something. You should have been part of a greater movement of citizens who gathered by the thousands and tens of thousands in parks and community centers and commercial areas and demanded that these ruthless profiteers and traitors be held accountable. You should have all refused to go to work. A nation that refuses to go to work WILL bring down the government. An informed public is a safe public and so… you should have wondered and you should have wondered aloud. You would have found that most everyone else was wondering too. Meanwhile you got fatter and shorter and more stupid until, one day, you couldn’t remember when it first was that you dropped down on to all fours and forgot to get back up. You forgot when the last time you spoke a human language was. Now you make these animal sounds and no one can understand what you are saying.

Is this the way it is? Is America a nation of sheep? One poll after another show that you believe by a wide majority that 9/11 was an Inside Job, one poll after another show that you have no confidence in your leaders, one poll after another show that you want the U.S. out of Iraq, one poll after another show that you know, you think, you feel… that a whole lot of things have gone wrong. And one day after another your leaders on both sides of the aisle show that there’s only one side of the aisle filled with milling opportunists and professional liars.

All of this comes down to an agenda driven core of merciless psychopaths who are agents of a foreign power. These PNAC/AIPAC vampire overlords in cahoots with the multinational corporations own the media that informs you of what to believe, even though you don’t believe it. Unless you band together and shout from the rooftops and refuse to turn the wheels of the machine, you are lost. Don’t blame me. Don’t blame fate. Don’t blame the immigrants. Don’t blame the weather. Blame yourselves. Shut it down now.

Look at this people. Use your freaking reason. Use your minds- http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bbc_wtc7_videos.html look at this and listen to what the BBC says about what cannot be explained away, no matter what sort of BS they employ. And yeah, The UK is also in the hands of the same people who are doing the same thing to you.

Look at this people http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/020807hitpiece.htm and look at who is behind this presentation. Could it be more clear? Do I have to grab you by the back of the neck and rub your face in it and scream at you to tell me what you smell? Is it the buffet on the table that you smell? Is it your own fear that you smell which convinces you that you had better convince yourself that you don’t smell anything at all? Wake the Hell up.

Now you want to run around like Chicken Little because some bridge fell down in Minnesota and a handful of people died? More people are dying in the Egyptian desert right now than went down off of that bridge and they don’t have to die. They are being murdered. Yeah, let’s all just wring our hands for awhile about a bridge collapse and then we won’t notice that much larger numbers of people are dying every single day because your country is in the hands of agents of a foreign power.

History repeats itself. It’s doing it right now. Very few Germans were Nazi’s. They only needed a few. It’s easy to accomplish once you control the law-making process and thereby those who enforce the law. It’s enough to intimidate a village if you imprison or kill a few of the residents. You can always then count of a portion of the rest of the village to enforce further atrocity just so they can avoid it themselves. Human nature isn’t a virtue.

You had better start holding your leaders accountable. You had better start taking responsibility for what happens in your name or you soon won’t even have a name, you’ll have a number. You had better get about it today. Now is the hour. Let me hear the sound of millions of voices raised in protest. Let me hear the sound of silenced machines. Let me see stalled cars and empty trains and buses and airplanes. Let me see empty malls and empty amusement parks.

Then… let us collectively listen to the anguished screams of the corporations as they gasp for breath. It doesn’t matter what it may cost in the short term. It doesn’t matter if some of us must die if it means that freedom shall continue after. Many before us have paid the price. You ‘had’ what you had because they did.

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#1. To: angle, TommyTheMadArtist, Dakmar, lodwick, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull, Cynicom, Horse, wbales, Brian S, Esso, ghostdogtxn, Red Jones, AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, noone222, ... (#0)

Christopher Bollyn update

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-08-08   15:19:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#0)

As bad as we know it is; two terms of an unelected psychopathic stooge in the presidency, a murderous assault on home ground by the very government empowered to protect the people against it, the daily erosion of personal freedom, the trashing of the economy, the banal vomit inducing entertainments, the collective efforts of disinfo agents who present themselves as truthseekers, the cowardly opposition party crawling backwards in estrus toward the dark side, the control of American foreign policy by a foreign government and the enormous human suffering it has all brought about… as bad as it all is, it just keeps getting worse.

Boy, he must be reading my mind. My Hope Meter is registering a flat zero. There will be no pulling out of this nose dive. The Rs, with their endless wars and adoration of free trade, have transformed us into a teetering mess no longer capable of doing what we do best; toppling governments, stealing wealth and installing puppet regimes.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-08   15:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin, Calamity, Paul Revere, nolu_chan, intotheabyss, FormerLurker, HOUNDDAWG, palo verde, SmokinOps, Rupert Pupkin, Original_Intent, wudidiz, IndieTx, Ringo Blankenship, ALL (#1)

The worst part of all the evils presently operating under diplomatic immunity and protected by SWAT-bot forces of true believer enforcement agencies is what is happening to The Laws of the Land. America was a nation of laws. You may think it is the police and the army that protects you. You may think God is watching over America. You may have the idea that The Second Amendment provides you with a catastrophe backup and - there - there is the area I want to visit today; no, not The Second Amendment but that of which it is a part.

The most serious danger you face is not from terrorists, crazed gun nuts, or even your poor discipline about what you eat and your reluctance to exercise. The first two are minor possibilities akin to being struck by lightning. The second is a real concern but more of a long term thing. Your most serious danger is what is happening to your laws; to the basic foundation of your rule of law. And this, this is what is intended by those who are determined to and engaged in the effort to enslave you.

omygoodness...this is so good.

christine  posted on  2007-08-08   18:34:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#3)

Your most serious danger is what is happening to your laws; to the basic foundation of your rule of law. And this, this is what is intended by those who are determined to and engaged in the effort to enslave you.

Hence Alberto "torture boy" Gonzales, and torture friends John "crush the testicles of children if the president says it's ok" Yoo, David "Chief Author of Torture" Addington, and all those Executive Orders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo

Cheney's Lawyer Addington Penned Key Torture Memo

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-08-08   18:56:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: robin (#0)

It's like the lonesome death of Hattie Carroll.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2007-08-08   19:07:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: MUDDOG, Dakmar, *Music Club* (#5)

Thanks MUD, I didn't recognize it.

1964 on Steve Allen's show (from the looks of it)

1994 in Prague:

Bob Dylan: "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll"

William Zanzinger killed poor Hattie Carroll
With a cane that he twirled around his diamond ring finger
At a Baltimore hotel society gath'rin'.
And the cops were called in and his weapon took from him
As they rode him in custody down to the station
And booked William Zanzinger for first-degree murder.
But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

William Zanzinger, who at twenty-four years
Owns a tobacco farm of six hundred acres
With rich wealthy parents who provide and protect him
And high office relations in the politics of Maryland,
Reacted to his deed with a shrug of his shoulders
And swear words and sneering, and his tongue it was snarling,
In a matter of minutes on bail was out walking.
But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

Hattie Carroll was a maid of the kitchen.
She was fifty-one years old and gave birth to ten children
Who carried the dishes and took out the garbage
And never sat once at the head of the table
And didn't even talk to the people at the table
Who just cleaned up all the food from the table
And emptied the ashtrays on a whole other level,
Got killed by a blow, lay slain by a cane
That sailed through the air and came down through the room,
Doomed and determined to destroy all the gentle.
And she never done nothing to William Zanzinger.
But you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

In the courtroom of honor, the judge pounded his gavel
To show that all's equal and that the courts are on the level
And that the strings in the books ain't pulled and persuaded
And that even the nobles get properly handled
Once that the cops have chased after and caught 'em
And that the ladder of law has no top and no bottom,
Stared at the person who killed for no reason
Who just happened to be feelin' that way without warnin'.
And he spoke through his cloak, most deep and distinguished,
And handed out strongly, for penalty and repentance,
William Zanzinger with a six-month sentence.
Oh, but you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears,
Bury the rag deep in your face
For now's the time for your tears.

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-08-08   19:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#0)

As bad as we know it is; two terms of an unelected psychopathic stooge in the presidency, a murderous assault on home ground by the very government empowered to protect the people against it, the daily erosion of personal freedom, the trashing of the economy, the banal vomit inducing entertainments, the collective efforts of disinfo agents who present themselves as truthseekers, the cowardly opposition party crawling backwards in estrus toward the dark side, the control of American foreign policy by a foreign government and the enormous human suffering it has all brought about… as bad as it all is, it just keeps getting worse.

No wonder they're trying to incarcerate him.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-08-08   19:51:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine, IndieTX (#3)

Your most serious danger is what is happening to your laws; to the basic foundation of your rule of law. And this, this is what is intended by those who are determined to and engaged in the effort to enslave you.

He can write.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-08-08   19:54:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#1)

whew. thank you for posting. i guess we got our marching orders. be a thousand points of light.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat010.html#16

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2007-08-08   23:45:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin, REDPANTHER (#0)

PING

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2007-08-09   1:54:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#3)

omygoodness...this is so good.

Thanks for the ping Christine. Marked for reading.

"Very few established institutions, governments and constitutions... are ever destroyed by their enemies until they have been corrupted and weakened by their friends." -- Walter Lippmann (1889-1974)

Calamity  posted on  2007-08-11   10:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#0)

The following article from the blogspot of Smokingmirrors is a very well written appeal to Americans to take action and hold their leaders accountable ...

I DO NOT AGREE - I DO NOT HAVE A LEADER ... and i am tired of people talking like this. it's so sad to see so many "followers" with "leaders". who the hell ever said Americans have or need "leaders" - BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!

... as bad as it all is, it just keeps getting worse.

and why is that? i can't wait to hear the solution ...

America was a nation of laws.

huh? did Jefferson say that? where did that phrase originate?

It is your laws that determine how and where and when the military will act; how the police will act. It is your laws that determine whether agents of the law can drag you from your homes in the middle of the night. It is your laws that allow for you to be beaten by agents of the law for flying a flag up side down on your front porch. It is your laws that determine whether you can be shoved around, denied the right of assembly and generally messed with whenever they want to mess with you. Where are the laws that go into force when those who enforce the law are breaking the law? Where is the process that should be automatic that deters the abuse of the law by those empowered to defend it? Where is this thing that isn’t working as I type these words?

as i ALWAY SAY: POWER CORRUPTS AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY - it is a MAXIM OF LIFE IN THIS WORLD! and it is greed and ignorance that drives people to declare themselves federal-14th-amendment-US-citizens - and THE LAW IS - SUCH CITIZENS ARE 100% SUBJECT TO FEDERAL GOVT - which includes all the "STATE OF ..." corporations. FACT: US citizens HAVE NO RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS OR ANY OTHER REMEDY AT LAW. ZERO - SO STOP YOUR BITCHING - SLAVE! YOU WANT THE BENEFITS - WELL - TOO BAD - YOU GOT CONSEQUENCES FOR THEM TOO! AND THAT IS THE LAW. you don't know what you are talking about. i am SO TIRED OF THIS FOUNDATIONLESS BS!

You should have wondered at the missing ballots in Ohio. You should have wondered at the yo-yo terror alerts. You should have wondered at the endless string of lies that justified all the horror and bloodshed and… you should have done something. You should have been part of a greater movement of citizens who gathered by the thousands and tens of thousands in parks and community centers and commercial areas and demanded that these ruthless profiteers and traitors be held accountable. You should have all refused to go to work. A nation that refuses to go to work WILL bring down the government. An informed public is a safe public and so… you should have wondered and you should have wondered aloud.

NO - you should wonder what people have been doing ever since the unCivil War, when they started giving up their independence on small farms in exchange for US citizenship (freed-slave citizenship) and corporate jobs. IF YOU WANT TO OPERATE IN THE DOMAIN OF "US citizen" - DON'T COMPLAIN - YOU ARE NOTHING. ZERO.

Is this the way it is? Is America a nation of sheep?

NO - THIS IS WHAT BEING 100% SUBJECT TO THE FEDERAL GOVT IS. no - you aren't a sheep - your an ignorant "person" - and not a man/woman.

You had better start holding your leaders accountable.

NO - i don't have leaders - i am not a US citizen. i am sovereign, and if you trespass on MY property, i will warn you, and if you don't leave, i will kill you out of fear for my life.

You had better start taking responsibility for what happens in your name or you soon won’t even have a name, you’ll have a number.

you already have a number. and i don't have name - names are given to things that are owned - but you can call me something if you like. and taking responsibility is taking care of yourself - why don't you start there, beginning with learning what a US citizen is.

It doesn’t matter if some of us must die if it means that freedom shall continue after. Many before us have paid the price.

no - i don't know of any US citizens that ever paid a price for my freedom. and i am not going to die protecting any of them - i hope they get what they deserve. on the other hand, i will gladly stand and fight for any sovereign man or woman that is in the right.

2cb  posted on  2007-08-15   3:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: 2cb (#12)

I DO NOT AGREE - I DO NOT HAVE A LEADER ... and i am tired of people talking like this. it's so sad to see so many "followers" with "leaders". who the hell ever said Americans have or need "leaders" - BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!

The entire sentence is more pertinent to your point. It is: "Beam me up Scotty, there doesn't appear to be any intelligent life on this planet" !

Your point is well made and well taken.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-15   4:08:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Boy, he must be reading my mind. My Hope Meter is registering a flat zero. There will be no pulling out of this nose dive. The Rs, with their endless wars and adoration of free trade, have transformed us into a teetering mess no longer capable of doing what we do best; toppling governments, stealing wealth and installing puppet regimes.

Reading your mind would register the same as your "Hope Meter" = ZERO.

The R's and the (pay attention moron) D's are two sides of the same coin joined at the hip, enjoying a seamless relationship, intent upon providing a false paradigm wherein small minds lose their sense of independence.

Anarchy is preferable to organized destruction especially when that desruction is self-financed by the eventually destroyed.

The endless wars of which you complain are only possible when the victims of them finance them, send their kids to die in them and do nothing more than bitch about taxes etc., and put "SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL POLICE" bumper stickers and chinese made flags on their autos.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-15   4:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: noone222 (#14)

The R's and the (pay attention moron) D's are

go fuck yourself you wacky religious asshole.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-15   11:32:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

go fuck yourself you wacky religious asshole.

Whaaaa ... take your meds you feeble minded moron !

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-15   13:54:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222 (#16)

No meds needed for me, you bible spouting asshole, and btw, I was aware of the political scam long before you were taking arrests for driving about unlicensed (yeah, that's a winning strategy) and trying desperately to assemble that 10,000,000 man army to march on Washington :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-15   14:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: noone222 (#16)

Geez, I didn't know you were a wacky religious asshole. ;}

I'll need to pay closer attention.

"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then they fight you. Then you win." --Mahatma Gandhi

angle  posted on  2007-08-15   14:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: angle (#18)

I'll need to pay closer attention.

Do so at your own risk. This flaming 'hole is Exhibit A in the dysfunctional "patriot" (bowel) movement.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-15   15:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)

I've been asked to apologize ... so let me simply say that I'm very sorry that you're a moron !

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-15   19:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: noone222 (#20)

Did you get something wrong?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-15   19:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: angle (#18)

Geez, I didn't know you were a wacky religious asshole. ;}

I could be considered a little whacky, and a huge asshole, but never "religious" !

I study the Bible but do not attend a church nor am I affiliated with any religious organization.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-15   19:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: noone222 (#22)

I study the Bible

In between humping cows?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-15   20:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#23)

I study the Bible (I said this to angle).

In between humping cows? (You respond ... duh )

Thanks for proving my point about your being a moron so convincingly.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-15   20:47:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#24)

By Bob.

By 4.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-15   21:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222, Jethro Tull, christine (#14)

noone, JT is well aware of the fact that the Rs and Ds are two cheeks of the same horse's ass.

He singled out the Pubs because it is the neocons who steered the ship of state into these treacherous waters (from which a course correction may never result) but, JT knows all too well which DEM special interests silently applauded and/or assented and why.

Your insults and beginner's lecture were poorly targeted. JT is as politically savvy as anyone you'll ever engage, and you cannot be the voice of political wisdom and childishly refuse to see that. They are mutually exclusive.

And, he's certainly not the only member who gets royally pissed when someone (who mistakenly extrapolated the wrong point of view to begin with) blindsides him with no justification.

I'm inclined to believe that your hostility is a continuation of a previous exchange, because the conclusion to which you leaped does not logically follow what JT wrote.

Why don't you try thinking of yourself as someone who is capable of human error, and take appropriate action? We already know that you're human and aren't infallible.

The question on the floor now is, do you?

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-15   22:15:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26) (Edited)

(1). I'm inclined to believe that your hostility is a continuation of a previous exchange, because the conclusion to which you leaped does not logically follow what JT wrote.

(2). He singled out the Pubs because it is the neocons who steered the ship of state into these treacherous waters (from which a course correction may never result) but, JT knows all too well which DEM special interests silently applauded and/or assented and why.

(3). you cannot be the voice of political wisdom and childishly refuse to see that.

(1). The entire exchange was a continuation of prior commentary complete with blindsided remarks made on the part of both of us.

(2). My reply in this instance wasn't illogical, his statement was, especially when one considers the myriad of legislative encroachments congress is passing without hesitation on the part of both parties.

(3). Here is an example of making a poor choice in commentary. Where I chose the term moron inappropriately you have chosen to use the word childishly.

Your rescue attempt only perceives one side of this squabble (debate) and ignores completely any liability on JT's part or prior blind sided attacks made by JT. I'd have to admit my blind sided reply was a little too much, and that I should refrain from usage of terms like moron. However, I also think it's easy to take the commentary on forums too seriously or make mountains out of mole hills.

Lastly, everyone understands that forum exchanges will sometimes escalate into disputes. These disputes sometimes take on a life of their own, and then get blown way out of proportion. Often times other members take up arms in the battle for a friend without asking themselves "where was I when my friend was out of line and blind siding this other party" ... and in this instance you have imposed yourself in just this manner.

When a dispute arises between two capable individuals they should be allowed to carry out their dispute publicly or privately however they see fit to address it. Others should feel free to comment and state their position relative to the dispute, and be prepared to demonstrate why they have a dog in the fight.

It's a given that people participating on a forum know that at times they will have to defend their remarks. Deciding to participate includes doing just that and when confrontations occur they should be conducted in most instances by the original parties. Others wishing to donate their 2 cents are generally welcomed to do so at their own risk.

The above comments are my opinion, and like assholes everyone has one, not as religious as mine according to JT.

"The mighty are only mighty because we are on our knees. Let us rise!" --Camille Desmoulins

noone222  posted on  2007-08-16   5:38:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

long before you were taking arrests for driving about unlicensed (yeah, that's a winning strategy)

Driving about "unlicensed" may present some "hardships", but that is something that a true patriot deals with. It's a very easy, comfortable road to take just to comply to avoid hassles.

A license is defined as:
Permission granted by the State to do something which would otherwise be illegal, a tort, or a trespass.

A license is considered a privilege - granted in exchange for a fee.

Now I ask you - WHY on earth would you consider it illegal to get in a vehicle you PAID for to travel down the public highway to visit a sick relative? Apparently the state thinks it's illegal; that's why they came up with this "license" scheme. Personally, I'm NOT going to "bend a knee" to the State and ask their PERMISSION to travel in my private affairs. Same principle applies to a great number of things for which most folks routinely get licenses. Why should it be illegal to get married? Catch a fish for supper? Hunt a deer for meat to put in the freezer? One has to ask how we ever managed to get along without "licenses".

The DRIVER license issue is further complicated by the fact that Section 666 (how ironic! - at least for those of us that DO believe in Scripture) of the Code of Federal Regulations mandates that all states require that people give their Social Security number (the Mark of the Beast?) to obtain a driver's license.

The REAL problem with this country is that damned near everyone looks at "playing along to get along" as being a "winning strategy". They don't want to risk personal hardships or hassles. Sure, they bitch and moan about how bad things are; but they continue to "play along". So by all means go ahead and continue to "play along" - you'll certainly be subjected to less hardships (but don't forget that in the process you are being an ENABLER for the State to do all the shit you complain about - just like giving money to a junkie is enabling him to stay high longer). Keep your DL current. Go get that license the next time you want to go fishing. And above all make damned sure you pay your income taxes!!!. The Federal Reserve and some Iraqi child thanks you for your support.

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-16   10:49:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: 2cb (#12)

EXCELLENT POST!!! I wholeheartedly agree with what you stated. That attitude and outlook is what sets a tiny handful of us in this country apart from the rest...

99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Steven Wright

innieway  posted on  2007-08-16   21:42:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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