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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
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Mister Clean
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Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
Views: 1875
Comments: 213
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster? I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood. These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!" Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic. I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.
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#1. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Yes. We nailed the Iraqi mess, didn't we. Not to mention the disaster that is
BUSH, open immigration, free trade and the overall fraud that is the checked
pant Republican party.
I wouldn't characterize those who predicted trouble in Iraq as "doom & gloomers." A lot of military guys who are not miserable pessimists knew Iraq was going to go bad and they are certainly not the same as those who think a hot summer is a sign of global warming. I'm referring to those who are CONSTANTLY predicting some horrendous disaster; economic collapse, terrorism, global warming, peak oil, New World Order... and so on.
I was thinking about this the other day. Unlike the rapture cults of the 20th century, doom-and-gloomers are at least smart enough never to pinpoint WHEN this terrible event will occur. If it happens in 3 days, or it happens in 50 years, the predictions are equally as accurate. In the cases where they HAVE predicted a date, like supposed food riots in the late 1970s or whatever, they usually have a whole new disaster scenario cooked up by the time their first one fails to come through. Sure helps to sell books, I guess.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
on the other hand, there's those on the other side who deny reality and/or perpetuate the myth that all is hunky dory.
Ah…..think of the New World Order as the destruction of this nation via perpetual war, open borders, a devalued dollar, multiculturalism, hate speech legislation and a growing dependency on communist China and other “trade partners.” In that limited respect alone we REALISTS nailed it.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Yeah, excellent point. By avoiding specific dates, they can maintain credibility with other doom & gloomers when the predictions don't materialize. Disaster is always lurking around the corner.
Actually, they're almost never wrong, they merely fall under the variations of the rule that states "The Market [read also System, or Society] can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent". If they were actually wrong in the aggregate, or over time, then there would be evidence like a return to sound money, or politicians suddenly spending less, and the Constitution actually being followed to the letter. Ya see that happening? I don't think so, so a word to the wise - Hope for the best but remain prepared for the worst, and the possibility you merely might have to pass on those preparations to your kids...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.
Fat lot of good that does in keeping us from always getting drug into the "rosy outlooker's" messes, and we usually end up being the ones to fix it too!
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
I've been hearing predictions of a massive economic collapse for almost 20 years now and it hasn't happened. But the typical doom & gloomer says it's just around the corner. I really don't see much difference between them and those who say al-Qaeda is about to detonate a nuke in America.
The traitor continues to speak of his desire to destroy America. He who ears to hear, let him hear.
Ron Paul for President
No, it's the name George Orwell - a Fabian socialist - named one of his books. It's also the name Bush #41 sputtered some 200 times, much to the consternation of the FReeples and other pukes.
True but it is still the term conspiracy theorists and doom & gloomers use to describe globalization and other circumstances. 5 minutes listening to Alex Jones will make that clear.
Since globalization is a key component to the destruction of our national sovereignty (see NWO), I’d say it’s use by Jones, et all, is quite appropriate.
Oh F***ing please!... What a load of crap. If the "complex realities of globalization" involve selling out our sovereignity, thrashing our rights, socializing our nation and lowering our standard of living you can cram them up your ass... Since when do the "complex realities of globalization" need to involve weakening our patent system? Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard? Since when does it need to involve enslaving us to debt? Since when does it need to involve lopsided trade wherein we're hamstrung by tighter regulation, taxes, and labor laws? Since when does it need to involve emission treaties that would deny us the very innovations that would make it a breeze for us to comply... Ad infinitum... Dude, get a grip, or pass around some of what your smoking...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Is this guy from the Brookings Institute? What the ? Would you buy a flying saucer from this man?
Things are changing and they will continue to change. It would be better to adapt rather than screech about the "globalists" and their evil plans.
Clean has been thrown out of more forums than I can name. Man of many names,
Firearms have not been banned in America.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
No, Klein...you owe everyone a short essay on the above bizarre statement. I think you'll be able a lot?
And there were several instances where is was a very close brush that that collapse didn't occur due to frantic management of money and markets. It kept the wheels on for the time being, but you're not paying $3.00 for a gallon of gasoline and $4.00 for a loaf of bread now because either of the materials to create them are any scarcer or more difficult to process...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
well said, ax. Mr Clean, you act as though world leaders have never said so themselves! here ya go, take your blinders off.
I like the published monthly predictions of Bush or Israel or both attacking Iran 'next month'. It's also fun to listen toe the CYA talk from the 'homeland security' and the other 'authorities', always confidently stating that 'we are going to be attacked again' so, if that ever happens they can say 'see? we told you so!, now let's go on with the torture program'.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had? Now, the desire is surely there, and the elitists of the world carp and bemoan our heavy ownership to no end, of that, there is no doubt. And they make no bones about its eventuality, though I'm ready to insure there's a few less of them after they try...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
I'll give you an example. The plans for the Trans Texas Corridor along with the idea of the NASCO highway along with the SPP are all understood by conspiracy theorists as part of the evil New World Order when, in reality, they are just elements of the process of globalization.
"I am Clean, of the Borg. Prepare for assimilation!"
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Close doesn't count. Every time the market experiences a technical correction, the doom & gloomers come out from under their rocks in gleeful anticipation of a new depression. They're always disappointed! As far as prices go, well, they always go up. That's life.
It's also fun to listen toe the CYA talk from the 'homeland security' and the other 'authorities', always confidently stating that 'we are going to be attacked again' so, if that ever happens they can say 'see? we told you so!, now let's go on with the torture program'. They're all the same! I've been hearing how an attack on Iran is just about to happen. But it never happens. Just like every dire prediction of nuclear jihad or an attack by al-Qaeda using bio-weapons. It never happens.
You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard." That has not happened.
NWO = Globalization = Bullshit... If a global government is such a get out all kick ass notion, I wonder why none of the champagne, brie, and pate' swilling crowd has come to the conclusion that it'd be best done by amalgamating the entire globe under a constitution identical to ours with equal representation and reeking of freedom??? Oh, I know, it's because they lust for power and control and a return to a technological version of the age when they were kings and queens and "Gods direct representative on earth" to us rubes. Fuck that noise. There's a lot of the rest of the planet where you and the other globalist ilk can play serf, you just leave the 48 contiguous, Hawaii, and Alaska to the messy freedom lovers and butt the hell out. And while we're at it, stay the fuck off our moon too...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Count me in as a "doom & gloomer" if that's the label. Someone has to warn people about what is around the corner. Those who ignore the warning signs, and there are many, will continue to live in the faux reality where they feel the most comfortable. Empirical historical evidence suggests that breakdowns in social order occur often and there are usually ample warning signs beforehand. In this time it's not so difficult to get a handle on the converging perils- the financial / economic system, biological hazards, war, natural disasters, the burgeoning police state (what do YOU think these preparations are being made for?), and so-called terrorism. The warnings are everywhere. People like Mister Clean can ignore the warnings and discredit the messengers, but I consider it a personal responsibility to be aware of what is happening in the world and warn others about the intuition of what's coming. At this point, I'd venture to say an event is at the doorstep. Nearly everyone is absolutely dependant on supermarkets for their food and municipalities for their water & power. That dependence is too dangerous to ignore out of hand. Sadly, even conventional wisdom regarding our future is ignored at our own peril. Speaking for myself, It's not "I told you so" after the fact, it's "I'm trying to warn you" before it's too late. We live in dangerous times. America, insulated from the realities of our world for generations, has two choices as a nation. Wake up and make the sacrifices necessary to steer clear of disaster, or ignore the the warnings and face the consequences. I've made my choice. It appears that Mr. clean has made his. Peace
Who has come out and literally proposed a global government? Nobody.
We've all been thrown out of somewhere, that's why we're here.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
It always is.
"Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard?" Dude, parse that statement and compare it to the quoted... Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes. If you don't think firearms ownership has gotten more difficult over time then you're hopeless. And BTW, it hasn't done what it was touted to do either...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Nobody. Poppy Bush New World Order
Ron Paul for President
Big freaking deal. You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag? Ha!
I'd say "holding a war in one of the world's largest oil-producing countries" would qualify as making gasoline more difficult to process. And I don't know where you do your shopping, but I can buy fresh bread 6 blocks away for a buck per loaf.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
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#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
Yes. We nailed the Iraqi mess, didn't we. Not to mention the disaster that is BUSH.
#3. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?
#4. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#5. To: Mister Clean (#2)
#6. To: Indrid Cold (#3)
#7. To: Indrid Cold (#3)
I was thinking about this the other day. Unlike the rapture cults of the 20th century, doom-and-gloomers are at least smart enough never to pinpoint WHEN this terrible event will occur. If it happens in 3 days, or it happens in 50 years, the predictions are equally as accurate.
#8. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#5)
Ah…..think of the New World Order as the destruction of this nation via perpetual war, open borders, a devalued dollar, multiculturalism, hate speech legislation and a growing dependency on communist China and other “trade partners.”
#10. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)
but at least the doom and gloomers don't get caught with their dicks in a hornet's nest because they think everything is roses all the damn time.
#11. To: Axenolith (#8)
If they were actually wrong in the aggregate, or over time, then there would be evidence like a return to sound money, or politicians suddenly spending less, and the Constitution actually being followed to the letter.
#12. To: Mister Clean, *Destroying the Middle Class* (#9)
The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.
#13. To: Mister Clean (#9)
The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
No, it's the name George Orwell - a Fabian socialist - named one of his books. It's also the name Bush #41 sputtered some 200 times, much to the consternation of the FReeples and other pukes.
#15. To: Mister Clean (#14)
#16. To: Mister Clean (#9)
The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.
#17. To: robin, Mister Klein (#12)
The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
Since globalization is a key component to the destruction of our national sovereignty (see NWO), I’d say it’s use by Jones, et all, is quite appropriate.
#19. To: Axenolith (#16)
Dude, get a grip, or pass around some of what your smoking...
#20. To: Axenolith (#16)
Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard?
#21. To: Axenolith (#10)
#22. To: Mister Clean (#20)
The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.
“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"
#23. To: Mister Clean (#11)
I've been hearing predictions of a massive economic collapse for almost 20 years now and it hasn't happened. But the typical doom & gloomer says it's just around the corner.
#24. To: Axenolith, Mr Clean (#16)
#25. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#26. To: Mister Clean (#20)
#27. To: Eoghan (#22)
No, Klein...you owe everyone a short essay on the above bizarre statement. I think you'll be able a lot?
#28. To: Mister Clean (#18)
It would be better to adapt rather than screech about the "globalists" and their evil plans.
#29. To: Axenolith (#23)
And there were several instances where is was a very close brush that that collapse didn't occur due to frantic management of money and markets. It kept the wheels on for the time being, but you're not paying $3.00 for a gallon of gasoline and $4.00 for a loaf of bread now because either of the materials to create them are any scarcer or more difficult to process...
#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
I like the published monthly predictions of Bush or Israel or both attacking Iran 'next month'.
#31. To: Axenolith (#26)
Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had?
#32. To: Mister Clean (#27)
...understood by conspiracy theorists as part of the evil New World Order when, in reality, they are just elements of the process of globalization.
#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)
Doom and gloomers (like me) predicted that the housing market was a bubble that would eventually pop and collapse.
#34. To: Axenolith (#32)
If a global government is such a get out all kick ass notion, I wonder why none of the champagne, brie, and pate' swilling crowd has come to the conclusion that it'd be best done by amalgamating the entire globe under a constitution identical to ours with equal representation and reeking of freedom???
#35. To: Cynicom (#19)
Clean has been thrown out of more forums than I can name.
#36. To: lightmind (#33)
At this point, I'd venture to say an event is at the doorstep.
#37. To: Mister Clean (#31)
You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard."
#38. To: Mister Clean (#34)
Who has come out and literally proposed a global government?
#39. To: Axenolith (#37)
Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes.
#40. To: Axenolith (#23)
but you're not paying $3.00 for a gallon of gasoline and $4.00 for a loaf of bread now because either of the materials to create them are any scarcer or more difficult to process...
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