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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
Source: Mister Clean
URL Source: [None]
Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
Views: 2273
Comments: 213

Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?

I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood.

These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!"

Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic.

I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.

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#1. To: Mister Clean (#0)

Yes. We nailed the Iraqi mess, didn't we. Not to mention the disaster that is BUSH, open immigration, free trade and the overall fraud that is the checked pant Republican party.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-09   10:19:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Yes. We nailed the Iraqi mess, didn't we. Not to mention the disaster that is BUSH.

I wouldn't characterize those who predicted trouble in Iraq as "doom & gloomers." A lot of military guys who are not miserable pessimists knew Iraq was going to go bad and they are certainly not the same as those who think a hot summer is a sign of global warming.

I'm referring to those who are CONSTANTLY predicting some horrendous disaster; economic collapse, terrorism, global warming, peak oil, New World Order... and so on.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   10:27:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mister Clean (#2)

Ah…..think of the New World Order as the destruction of this nation via perpetual war, open borders, a devalued dollar, multiculturalism, hate speech legislation and a growing dependency on communist China and other “trade partners.” In that limited respect alone we REALISTS nailed it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-09   10:34:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#5)

Ah…..think of the New World Order as the destruction of this nation via perpetual war, open borders, a devalued dollar, multiculturalism, hate speech legislation and a growing dependency on communist China and other “trade partners.”

The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   10:41:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mister Clean (#9)

The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.

Oh F***ing please!... What a load of crap. If the "complex realities of globalization" involve selling out our sovereignity, thrashing our rights, socializing our nation and lowering our standard of living you can cram them up your ass...

Since when do the "complex realities of globalization" need to involve weakening our patent system? Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard? Since when does it need to involve enslaving us to debt? Since when does it need to involve lopsided trade wherein we're hamstrung by tighter regulation, taxes, and labor laws? Since when does it need to involve emission treaties that would deny us the very innovations that would make it a breeze for us to comply... Ad infinitum...

Dude, get a grip, or pass around some of what your smoking...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   10:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Axenolith (#16)

Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard?

Firearms have not been banned in America.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   10:56:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Mister Clean (#20)

Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had? Now, the desire is surely there, and the elitists of the world carp and bemoan our heavy ownership to no end, of that, there is no doubt. And they make no bones about its eventuality, though I'm ready to insure there's a few less of them after they try...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   11:03:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Axenolith (#26)

Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had?

You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard."

That has not happened.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:11:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Mister Clean (#31)

You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard."

"Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard?"

Dude, parse that statement and compare it to the quoted...

Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes.

If you don't think firearms ownership has gotten more difficult over time then you're hopeless. And BTW, it hasn't done what it was touted to do either...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   11:21:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Axenolith (#37)

Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes.

Big freaking deal.

You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag?

Ha!

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:25:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Mister Clean (#39)

Big freaking deal.

You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag?

Ha!

Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top.

Also, I don't need to win myself, I would merely need to sell myself dearly. Cowards see long odds and fold to tyranny, freedom lovers fight against long odds, even when there is low hope of winning.

BTW, I thought you were of the opinion that the NWO is fictional???

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   11:39:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Axenolith (#50)

Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top.

If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.

Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:42:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Mister Clean (#53)

If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.

How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?

Ringo Blankenship  posted on  2007-08-09   11:46:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Ringo Blankenship (#58)

How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?

Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:50:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Mister Clean (#60)

Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.

How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-08-09   12:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: SmokinOPs (#69)

How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?

It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics.

The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   12:07:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Mister Clean (#71)

It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics.

The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.

Now now, nuking does not count.

You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs. Powerful Western militaries have trouble on the battlefield (witness the Vietnam War, Iraq, Hezbollah vs. Israel, etc.).

Ringo Blankenship  posted on  2007-08-09   12:14:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Ringo Blankenship (#74)

You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs.

The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   12:23:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: Mister Clean (#78)

The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.

Will counts for a lot, and the Iraqis have a very strong will to rid their country of invaders.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   14:36:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Diana (#90)

Will counts for a lot, and the Iraqis have a very strong will to rid their country of invaders.

Whatever. I really don't care about the Iraq fiasco anymore.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   16:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: Mister Clean (#106)

I really don't care about the Iraq fiasco anymore.

What do you think is the reason we are over there, you said it's not to conquer, I wondered what you think the reason is.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   16:29:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Diana (#114)

What do you think is the reason we are over there, you said it's not to conquer, I wondered what you think the reason is.

I have no idea at this point.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   16:34:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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