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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
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Mister Clean
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Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
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Comments: 213
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster? I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood. These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!" Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic. I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.
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#110. To: swarthyguy (#108)
I don't know about the rest of the country but I've concluded it is a waste of my precious time to care about the Iraq fiasco since there is nothing I can do about it. Perhaps if the day comes where I am directly affected, I'll care again.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Texas. Not that I mind at all. We had been in a record-breaking drought until this year.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
What do you think is the reason we are over there, you said it's not to conquer, I wondered what you think the reason is.
Perhaps if the day comes where I am directly affected, I'll care again. " ...why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
In that you do mirror the general zeitgeist around the country, to simply be done with that whole mess, wash our hands of the whole thing and pretend things will ever go back to what they were before the Invasion and Occupation.
#111. To: Mister Clean (#109)
#112. To: Mister Clean (#107)
Where is the massive flooding of America from global warming?
#113. To: Mister Clean (#109)
#114. To: Mister Clean (#106)
I really don't care about the Iraq fiasco anymore.
#115. To: Mister Clean (#110)
I don't know about the rest of the country but I've concluded it is a waste of my precious time to care about the Iraq fiasco since there is nothing I can do about it.
 | Capitalism is NOT an economic system, it's a RELIGION for ASSHOLES! |
#116. To: Sam Houston (#112)
And that's from global warming, huh? Sure.
Texas. Not that I mind at all. We had been in a record-breaking drought until this year.
#117. To: ghostdogtxn (#113)
http://www.youtube.com/watch? v=WjPoeQRewiE&mode=related&search= I'm not interested in watching a video.
This one is shorter.
#118. To: Mister Clean (#110)
Ideally you are at least sort of suppose to care about others besides just yourself.
Perhaps if the day comes where I am directly affected, I'll care again.
#119. To: Diana (#114)
I have no idea at this point.
What do you think is the reason we are over there, you said it's not to conquer, I wondered what you think the reason is.
#120. To: Sam Houston, Mister Clean (#112)
Mister Clean has already stated on another thread that he does not care about Texas.
Texas. Not that I mind at all. We had been in a record-breaking drought until this year.
#121. To: Elliott Jackalope (#115)
Why should I care about something over which I have no influence? Riddle me that, bleeding heart.
" ...why should we hear about body bags, and deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
#122. To: Diana (#118)
How much do you REALLY care about people you don't even know and likely will never know? I say you can't really care all that much precisely because you don't know them.
Ideally you are at least sort of suppose to care about others besides just yourself.
#123. To: Diana (#114)
Well, you see- we are over in Iraq because we do have a flaw. We are too good. We just went over there to help those poor people. And they are obviously not deserving of our goodness. Yes yes, if some other country - say Russia- said they feared Saddam Hussein and his scary weapons of mass destruction and said they were going to invade to "pre-empt" an attack on them- we would laugh at that reason as utter bullshit and rightly believe that Russia was trying to get the oil and position itself to control the world's oil reserves. We would laugh at and ridicule their claims that they "Feared" tiny weak Iraq and its two bit leader - Hussein- and rightly see through this FEEBLE justification as easily as we saw through Hitler's lies for invading Poland. But- since WE invaded Iraq over fear of Saddam Hussein and his scary weapons- it is very believable because- see- we are good- and don't do things like that. No hidden agendas in America. Only kooks think that. We also invaded to help the Iraqi people- to give them democracy- now maybe this was naive thinking on our part- but we never have bad or selfish motives for going to war- unlike the rest of the world which is evil and stuff- we are uniquely good. Conqueor Iraq? LOL. Kook talk.
What do you think is the reason we are over there, you said it's not to conquer, I wondered what you think the reason is.
#124. To: Sam Houston (#112)
bring it back. we're back to being too hot and dry..and i love rain.
Texas. Not that I mind at all. We had been in a record-breaking drought until this year.
#125. To: Mister Clean (#121)
Riddle me that, bleeding heart. "Riddle me that, bleeding heart." Oh man, where to begin.... First of all, this is supposed to be a nation where WE THE PEOPLE supposedly have the power to determine the policies of our government. So, for example, say if this country were to embark upon a stupid, pointless, senseless war that was costing thousands and thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars then, in theory, WE THE PEOPLE have not only a right, but a RESPONSIBILITY and a DUTY to stand up and confront our leaders, and tell them in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that we do NOT support their insane and destructive policies, and then we have a RESPONSIBILITY and a DUTY to do everything in our power to non-violently OPPOSE those insane and destructive policies. See, this is what CITIZENS are supposed to do. I'm really surprised and rather shocked that I have to explain this to you in this manner. This is supposed to be something that any fifth-grade student should know after having taking one or two classes on "civics". See, here's the deal Sparky.... when a nation degenerates to the point where its citizens abandon all hope of having any influence whatsoever over the leadership of said nation, then that nation has ceased to be a "representative government" and has instead devolved into one form or another of oligarchy or dictatorship. Now, I do freely acknowledge that our government is wholly beholden to powerful, well- funded interests, and that our current system of (s)electing leaders is a dreadful sham. BUT, this does NOT mean that we should simply give up trying to do anything whatsoever to oppose it when our so- called "leaders" proceed to embrace policies that are anathema to anyone with the ability to know the difference between RIGHT and WRONG. Seriously, I simply cannot BELIEVE that I have to EXPLAIN this to you!
Why should I care about something over which I have no influence?
| Capitalism is NOT an economic system, it's a RELIGION for ASSHOLES! |
#126. To: Diana (#114)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#127. To: DeaconBenjamin, Axenolith (#85)
Oh, good Lord, I don't translate everything into the price of gold before I make rash statements--gold is not some universal constant like the speed of light, fer chrissakes. Today gold dropped over $11. Does that mean that the government *removed* eleventy-seven million dollars from circulation, and that tomorrow, when gold goes up again, they'll have put back half of them? Gold is just a commodity now.
As the Dow burst through the 13,000 milestone this week, few understood the hollowness of the achievement. Measured against the rising dollar-denominated prices of just about everything else on the planet, the Dow has actually lost value over the past seven years. Measured against the truest benchmark, the price of gold, the record high for the Dow was set back in January of 2000 when its price equaled approximately 43 ounces of gold. Today it is only worth about 19 ounces.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
#128. To: Mister Clean (#110)
Perhaps if the day comes where I am directly affected, I'll care again. By that logic, Germans shouldn't have cared about the evils that were being done in their name by the Nazi government.
I don't know about the rest of the country but I've concluded it is a waste of my precious time to care about the Iraq fiasco since there is nothing I can do about it.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#129. To: Elliott Jackalope (#125)
The sooner you accept that the better off you'll be.
See, here's the deal Sparky.... when a nation degenerates to the point where its citizens abandon all hope of having any influence whatsoever over the leadership of said nation, then that nation has ceased to be a "representative government" and has instead devolved into one form or another of oligarchy or dictatorship.
#130. To: aristeides (#128)
I'm going to guess that you care sooooooooooooooooo much about what's happening in Iraq. Now, tell me what all your caring has accomplished. (Besides making you feel good about yourself)
By that logic, Germans shouldn't have cared about the evils that were being done in their name by the Nazi government.
#131. To: Mister Clean (#129)
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams. And thank you for at least being honest enough to show your true colors.
| Capitalism is NOT an economic system, it's a RELIGION for ASSHOLES! |
#132. To: Mister Clean (#130)
I take your posting to indicate that you agree with my statement above, and think Germans shouldn't have cared. If you don't see what's wrong with thinking Germans shouldn't have cared, there really isn't much I can say to the likes of you.
By that logic, Germans shouldn't have cared about the evils that were being done in their name by the Nazi government.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#133. To: Elliott Jackalope (#131)
And thank you for at least being honest enough to show your true colors. I've never kept my "true colors" hidden. One day you may accept the fact that America is all about money. Always has been, always will be. You can dig up all kinds of quotes from the founders but it doesn't change reality. America wraps itself up in all kinds of grand illusions that sound so nice, illusions about freedom, democracy and the ability of the individual to change history with their vote. It's a lot of crap.
"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." - Samuel Adams.
#134. To: aristeides (#132)
If you don't see what's wrong with thinking Germans shouldn't have cared, there really isn't much I can say to the likes of you. I want to know what all of your caring has accomplished, particularly as far as Iraq goes.
I take your posting to indicate that you agree with my statement above, and think Germans shouldn't have cared.
#135. To: Burkeman1 (#123)
Oh no... I can't take it anymore, HITLER, again and again and again..... Arrgghhh!!! I would like to know the real reason we are over there though, I'd guess it's some misguided attempt to steal their oil, I read in 1996 that wars would soon break out in an effort to rein in the world's dwindling oil supply.
as easily as we saw through Hitler's lies for invading
#136. To: Diana (#135)
Yeah, it's pretty stupid to see Hitler/Nazi Germany pop up so much. I guess some people have a hard time making a point without the Hitler crutch.
Oh no... I can't take it anymore, HITLER, again and again and again.....
#137. To: aristeides, bluedogtxn (#128)
oh boy. One of these days I will turn off my computer, read nothing, no radio, and take a walk in the woods, maybe then I will get a break from HITLER.
in their name by the Nazi government.
#138. To: Mister Clean (#133)
Only it's crap that you seem very happy to accept.
It's a lot of crap.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#139. To: Mister Clean (#134)
What did Stauffenberg accomplish?
I want to know what all of your caring has accomplished, particularly as far as Iraq goes.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#140. To: Diana (#137)
If you don't see the parallels between Hitler's government and the current government here, maybe you would be better off turning off your computer.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#141. To: aristeides (#139)
Irrelevant. What has all of YOUR caring about Iraq done?
What did Stauffenberg accomplish?
#142. To: Mister Clean (#141) (Edited)
Why? I meant the example to illustrate the absurdity of your position. By the way, what, may I ask, has all YOUR posting here accomplished?
Irrelevant.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#143. To: aristeides (#142)
Since you won't answer the question, I'll answer it for you. All of your caring about Iraq has accomplished absolutely nothing. Just like all of the anti-war protests and speeches and blogs have accomplished nothing as far as Iraq goes. Hey, if it makes you feel good about yourself to "care" about Iraq, knock yourself out. But it won't change anything.
Why? I meant the example to illustrate the absurdity of your position.
#144. To: aristeides (#142)
Entertainment.
By the way, what, may I ask, has all YOUR posting here accomplished?
#145. To: Mister Clean (#143)
So, because Stauffenberg's plot failed, he shouldn't have lifted a finger. At least according to you.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#146. To: aristeides, Mister Clean, bluedogtxn, cynicom, christine, Burkeman1, All (#132)
(I know that post was for Mister Clean.) Even though I'm sick of the implication that the nazi regime was the only one of it's kind that ever existed, I will say the German people most likely did not know all the was being carried out by their government, just like we don't know the extent of what our government is doing to all the men they are rounding up in various countries to put in torture camps. We know it's happening, but we know very few details as they are purposely being kept from us. I'm sure HITLER, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Saddam and the many other dictators did not tell their people all of their plans, in fact it's the norm for such governments to operate in secrecy. They tell their citizens one thing when in fact the reality is something else. It's about time to quit demonizing the German people, those Germans of 50+ years ago are no more guilty of the war crimes of their government than we are of ours. It took great courage for the Germans who spoke out in opposition to Hitler to do so, as most of them met with death as a result. Yet we hear almost nothing of those people, only how all Germans were guilty. In the future the world will be saying all Americans were guilty, and I resent that because I am very much against what this government is doing, taking away basic rights, slaughtering people in the mideast, the use of torture (horrifyingly evil and beyond words), etc.
I take your posting to indicate that you agree with my statement above, and think Germans shouldn't have cared.
#147. To: Mister Clean (#133)
America wraps itself up in all kinds of grand illusions that sound so nice, illusions about freedom, democracy and the ability of the individual to change history with their vote. It's a lot of crap. Sadly you're probably right about that.
One day you may accept the fact that America is all about money. Always has been, always will be. You can dig up all kinds of quotes from the founders but it doesn't change reality.
#148. To: Diana (#146)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#149. To: aristeides (#145)
I'm not the least bit interested in discussing the Nazi era. You really should just face present day reality and accept the fact that caring about the Iraq fiasco is a waste of time.
So, because Stauffenberg's plot failed, he shouldn't have lifted a finger. At least according to you.
#150. To: Diana (#146)
I come close to agreeing with your statement. I would just say Americans today are more guilty, because we know more, and are in considerably less danger if we speak out. I certainly don't intend to demonize all Germans, nor do I think that is a reasonable interpretation of my postings in this thread. You may have noticed that I mentioned Stauffenberg more than once.
It's about time to quit demonizing the German people, those Germans of 50+ years ago are no more guilty of the war crimes of their government than we are of ours.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
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