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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
Source: Mister Clean
URL Source: [None]
Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
Views: 1996
Comments: 213

Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?

I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood.

These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!"

Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic.

I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.

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#1. To: Mister Clean (#0)

Yes. We nailed the Iraqi mess, didn't we. Not to mention the disaster that is BUSH, open immigration, free trade and the overall fraud that is the checked pant Republican party.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-09   10:19:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yes. We nailed the Iraqi mess, didn't we. Not to mention the disaster that is BUSH.

I wouldn't characterize those who predicted trouble in Iraq as "doom & gloomers." A lot of military guys who are not miserable pessimists knew Iraq was going to go bad and they are certainly not the same as those who think a hot summer is a sign of global warming.

I'm referring to those who are CONSTANTLY predicting some horrendous disaster; economic collapse, terrorism, global warming, peak oil, New World Order... and so on.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   10:27:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah…..think of the New World Order as the destruction of this nation via perpetual war, open borders, a devalued dollar, multiculturalism, hate speech legislation and a growing dependency on communist China and other “trade partners.” In that limited respect alone we REALISTS nailed it.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-09   10:34:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah…..think of the New World Order as the destruction of this nation via perpetual war, open borders, a devalued dollar, multiculturalism, hate speech legislation and a growing dependency on communist China and other “trade partners.”

The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   10:41:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The New World Order is the name given to the complex realities of globalization by those who don't understand it.

Oh F***ing please!... What a load of crap. If the "complex realities of globalization" involve selling out our sovereignity, thrashing our rights, socializing our nation and lowering our standard of living you can cram them up your ass...

Since when do the "complex realities of globalization" need to involve weakening our patent system? Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard? Since when does it need to involve enslaving us to debt? Since when does it need to involve lopsided trade wherein we're hamstrung by tighter regulation, taxes, and labor laws? Since when does it need to involve emission treaties that would deny us the very innovations that would make it a breeze for us to comply... Ad infinitum...

Dude, get a grip, or pass around some of what your smoking...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   10:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard?

Firearms have not been banned in America.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   10:56:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had? Now, the desire is surely there, and the elitists of the world carp and bemoan our heavy ownership to no end, of that, there is no doubt. And they make no bones about its eventuality, though I'm ready to insure there's a few less of them after they try...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   11:03:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had?

You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard."

That has not happened.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:11:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard."

"Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard?"

Dude, parse that statement and compare it to the quoted...

Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes.

If you don't think firearms ownership has gotten more difficult over time then you're hopeless. And BTW, it hasn't done what it was touted to do either...

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   11:21:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes.

Big freaking deal.

You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag?

Ha!

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:25:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Big freaking deal.

You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag?

Ha!

Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top.

Also, I don't need to win myself, I would merely need to sell myself dearly. Cowards see long odds and fold to tyranny, freedom lovers fight against long odds, even when there is low hope of winning.

BTW, I thought you were of the opinion that the NWO is fictional???

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   11:39:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top.

If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.

Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:42:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.

How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?

Ringo Blankenship  posted on  2007-08-09   11:46:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?

Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   11:50:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.

How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?

SmokinOPs  posted on  2007-08-09   12:05:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?

It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics.

The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   12:07:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics.

The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.

Now now, nuking does not count.

You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs. Powerful Western militaries have trouble on the battlefield (witness the Vietnam War, Iraq, Hezbollah vs. Israel, etc.).

Ringo Blankenship  posted on  2007-08-09   12:14:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs.

The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   12:23:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.

Will counts for a lot, and the Iraqis have a very strong will to rid their country of invaders.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   14:36:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Will counts for a lot, and the Iraqis have a very strong will to rid their country of invaders.

Whatever. I really don't care about the Iraq fiasco anymore.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   16:15:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I really don't care about the Iraq fiasco anymore

In that you do mirror the general zeitgeist around the country, to simply be done with that whole mess, wash our hands of the whole thing and pretend things will ever go back to what they were before the Invasion and Occupation.

swarthyguy  posted on  2007-08-09   16:21:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In that you do mirror the general zeitgeist around the country, to simply be done with that whole mess, wash our hands of the whole thing and pretend things will ever go back to what they were before the Invasion and Occupation.

I don't know about the rest of the country but I've concluded it is a waste of my precious time to care about the Iraq fiasco since there is nothing I can do about it.

Perhaps if the day comes where I am directly affected, I'll care again.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   16:24:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't know about the rest of the country but I've concluded it is a waste of my precious time to care about the Iraq fiasco since there is nothing I can do about it.

Perhaps if the day comes where I am directly affected, I'll care again.

By that logic, Germans shouldn't have cared about the evils that were being done in their name by the Nazi government.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-09   16:51:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

By that logic, Germans shouldn't have cared about the evils that were being done in their name by the Nazi government.

I'm going to guess that you care sooooooooooooooooo much about what's happening in Iraq.

Now, tell me what all your caring has accomplished.

(Besides making you feel good about yourself)

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   16:54:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

By that logic, Germans shouldn't have cared about the evils that were being done in their name by the Nazi government.

I take your posting to indicate that you agree with my statement above, and think Germans shouldn't have cared.

If you don't see what's wrong with thinking Germans shouldn't have cared, there really isn't much I can say to the likes of you.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-09   17:03:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I take your posting to indicate that you agree with my statement above, and think Germans shouldn't have cared.

(I know that post was for Mister Clean.)

Even though I'm sick of the implication that the nazi regime was the only one of it's kind that ever existed, I will say the German people most likely did not know all the was being carried out by their government, just like we don't know the extent of what our government is doing to all the men they are rounding up in various countries to put in torture camps. We know it's happening, but we know very few details as they are purposely being kept from us.

I'm sure HITLER, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, Saddam and the many other dictators did not tell their people all of their plans, in fact it's the norm for such governments to operate in secrecy. They tell their citizens one thing when in fact the reality is something else.

It's about time to quit demonizing the German people, those Germans of 50+ years ago are no more guilty of the war crimes of their government than we are of ours. It took great courage for the Germans who spoke out in opposition to Hitler to do so, as most of them met with death as a result. Yet we hear almost nothing of those people, only how all Germans were guilty.

In the future the world will be saying all Americans were guilty, and I resent that because I am very much against what this government is doing, taking away basic rights, slaughtering people in the mideast, the use of torture (horrifyingly evil and beyond words), etc.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:32:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:36:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope the future records that there were more opinions on this than that of the Mr. Cleans of the world.

I'm not too hopeful as people tend to generalize.

Already people around the world hate Americans, they have a stereotype for Americans and of course it's much easier for them to lump us all together as being for the war in Iraq and all fundie Christians who love Bush.

If we could go back in time to 1938 Germany I bet we would learn a lot, that it was a much more complicated situation than what is now presented to us as history has made the nazi regime into such a black and white issue. For instance there was Daniel Goldhagen's bestseller about how all of the Germans were guilty and adored Hitler when nothing could be further from the truth. It was a brutal dictatorship and most people lived in fear as people do in any dictatorship.

I'm sure the future holds the similar fate for Americans, there will be books written about how all Americans wanted all of the Arabs dead and practically worshipped Bush.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:58:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:01:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#181. To: ghostdogtxn (#168)

They Thought They Were Free, The Germans 193_ to 1945 by Milton Mayer is a great resource.

That title alone hits too close to home...

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09 18:16:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

They Thought They Were Free, The Germans 193_ to 1945 by Milton Mayer

I'm going to look up this book, see if it's similar to Goldhagen's.

In reality the people knew they were not free. My mother was a kid at the time in Austria when Hitler took over there, they were forced to join Hitler youth groups, spend time making floats and ribbons for parades for Hitler, they were told by their teachers that they must report anyone who speaks ill of the fuhrer, and her mother had to flee the country because she remarried a Jewish man, so my mother lived out the war with her grandparents, and rejoined her mother and step-father after the war and the end of nazis.

She came from a wealthy family but at that point no one any longer had any money, food was scarce, and no one dared discuss politics because everyone feared getting in trouble.

My step-mother lived in Germany at the time, she was also a kid and her father was forced to join some kind of club, everyone had to join, from little kids to old people. It was a bad time for anyone who did not like groups. Also many people were put in jail for flimsy reasons, and people were often picked on for not working hard enough which at the time was equated with being unpatriotic. They also put a huge emphasis on athletic abilities and looks, skin and hair color and so on, so many people easily felt they could not measure up, were not good enough, and could be thrown in the camps at any time. People tend to think only Jews went to the camps but regular Germans, Poles and Austrians wound up in the camps too.

It was not a happy or secure time for most all of the people who lived under that rule, except for those hard core nazis who were really into it, their modern-day counterparts would be the rabid bots.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09 19:28:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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