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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
Source: Mister Clean
URL Source: [None]
Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
Views: 1902
Comments: 213

Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?

I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood.

These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!"

Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic.

I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.

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Where is the massive flooding of America from global warming?

Texas. Not that I mind at all. We had been in a record-breaking drought until this year.

Amen bump to that.

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Lod  posted on  2007-08-09   17:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you don't see the parallels between Hitler's government and the current government here, maybe you would be better off turning off your computer.

Frankly I see more parallels with this government and the Soviet Union as far as social policies go, but as I pointed out Hitler was not the only dictator who murdered millions and conquered other nations slaughtering innocents. I'm just tired of Hitler always being brought up, it's part of the dumbing down of this country especially as far as history goes.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

bring it back. we're back to being too hot and dry..and i love rain.

Indeed - sprinkler guy is coming over Saturday to replace our pos irrigation timer.

We were enjoying those $13/month water bills, while it lasted.

Back to shake and bake.

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Lod  posted on  2007-08-09   17:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Someone picked a bad day to quit smoking...

http://www.boston.com/business/markets/articles/2007/08/09/wall_street_rises_on_tech_strength/

The Federal Reserve added a larger-than-normal $24 billion in temporary reserves to the U.S. banking system.

The concerns that arose in Europe and spilled onto Wall Street underscored the potential worldwide ramifications of an implosion of some subprime loans and perhaps also weakened arguments that strength in the global economy could help keep profit growth going in the U.S. among large companies that do business overseas.

The ECB's injection of money into the system is an unprecedented move, said Joseph V. Battipaglia, chief investment officer at Ryan Beck & Co., adding that it shows that problems in subprime lending are, in fact, spilling into the general economy.

"This is a mini-panic," he said. "All the things that had been denied up until this point are unraveling. On top of this, retail sales were mediocre, which shows that indeed, the housing collapse is affecting the consumer."

Retailers released July sales figures Thursday that were overall disappointing.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-09   17:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a moral issue of not wanting evil things to be done in your name.

That doesn't change my point that all the caring in the world about the Iraq fiasco has led to nothing.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   17:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Understandable, because it disproves your whole case.

No, because it's your feeble attempt to avoid admitting that caring about Iraq has accomplished nothing.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   17:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope the future records that there were more opinions on this than that of the Mr. Cleans of the world.

I'm not too hopeful as people tend to generalize.

Already people around the world hate Americans, they have a stereotype for Americans and of course it's much easier for them to lump us all together as being for the war in Iraq and all fundie Christians who love Bush.

If we could go back in time to 1938 Germany I bet we would learn a lot, that it was a much more complicated situation than what is now presented to us as history has made the nazi regime into such a black and white issue. For instance there was Daniel Goldhagen's bestseller about how all of the Germans were guilty and adored Hitler when nothing could be further from the truth. It was a brutal dictatorship and most people lived in fear as people do in any dictatorship.

I'm sure the future holds the similar fate for Americans, there will be books written about how all Americans wanted all of the Arabs dead and practically worshipped Bush.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We've killed at least half a million people

We?

Uh, no. I had no role in killing anyone.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Horseshit. It helped to change the electoral composition of the congress and will probably have a huge impact on the 2008 presidential election.

Again, what has that accomplished?

The Democrats give Bush everything he demands! Haha!

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We've killed at least half a million people

Group's Estimate of Iraqi Deaths to Cross One Million

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-09   18:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh, no. I had no role in killing anyone.

Ah, what Tribal Innocence....Yes, but what genius to start this thread today...quite the savvy investor. Any predictions for Friday?

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-09   18:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On LP, aristeides was so effective at raising the level of awareness about the Bush regime and its agenda, that Goldi finally banned him and never gave a reason.

Anyone with any moral sense is outraged over the destruction and genocide in Iraq and the incredible amount of human suffering.

As aristeides pointed out, there is a label for a person who does not care about human suffering: psychopath.

from wiki:

Psychopathy is currently defined in psychiatry and clinical psychology as a condition characterized by lack of empathy [1] [2] or conscience, and poor impulse control [3] [4] or manipulative behaviors.[5] It is a term derived from the Greek psyche (soul, breath hence mind) and pathos (to suffer), and was once used to denote any form of mental illness, often being confused with psychosis.

The Bush regime is loaded with psychopaths.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-09   18:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah, what Tribal Innocence....Yes, but what genius to start this thread today...quite the savvy investor. Any predictions for Friday?

Tribal innocence? I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

As far as the market goes I'd say expect further volitility. If you're a short term trader, stock up on the antacids and asprin.

If you're a doom & gloomer, get your hopes up yet again for the big crash that will not come!

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WE did this crime.

Speak for yourself.

The way my tax dollars are spent is completely out of my control.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We call them psychopaths.

Erm, not to quibble, but I think sociopaths is what we call them.

Same thing, psychopaths was the term used for ages but recently they started calling them sociopaths. It's really like a blind spot, they simply are unable to care about others, but I know you guys know that, it's just something I think about at times.

And of course there is no cure as you can't make a non-functioning area of someone's brain work when for all practical purposes it's dead, there is no activity where there should be.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   18:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone with any moral sense is outraged over the destruction and genocide in Iraq and the incredible amount of human suffering.

Yes it's horrible and I can't imagine the suffering going on.

But I'm not going to waste my time thinking about it, reading news articles about it or watching TV news reports about it because I have no influence over the policy.

You see, the idea that your opinion really matters to policy makers is one of America's great illusions. You can be as concerned or as outraged as you want, they don't care and they're not listening to you.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That doesn't change my point that all the caring in the world about the Iraq fiasco has led to nothing.

Well then you have to chalk it up to this being an imperfect world, and we are all flawed.

Also it's possible that the Iraqi situation could be even worse at this point if not for the helpful actions of certain people, though that's something we'll never know.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   18:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wow. Deliberate ignorance coupled with monumental apathy and complete irresponsibility.

It's called facing reality.

"We the people" used to really mean we the people.

Now it's propaganda designed to make people think they have a role in the decisions made by the politicians in Washington.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They Thought They Were Free, The Germans 193_ to 1945 by Milton Mayer is a great resource.

That title alone hits too close to home...

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   18:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clean's the kind of guy who used to be a staunch supporter of the Iraq War. He believed the WMD line and that Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Then, when things started going sour, he fell off the bandwagon and now acts cool by pretending "not to care."

Ringo Blankenship  posted on  2007-08-09   18:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also it's possible that the Iraqi situation could be even worse at this point if not for the helpful actions of certain people, though that's something we'll never know.

Two great books to read about Iraq are "Imperial Life in the Emerald City" and "Fiasco."

All along the way there were smart people who knew when bad decisions were being made. They were ignored. These smart people had great ideas. They were ignored.

Every possible mistake that could have been made was made. This is one case where stupidity, incompetence and worse have won.

If the smart people inside the system couldn't do anything, there's nothing that I, being completely outside the system, can do and that's why I don't care about it anymore.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clean's the kind of guy who used to be a staunch supporter of the Iraq War.

I was not a "staunch" supporter but I was hopeful things would work out.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was not a "staunch" supporter but I was hopeful things would work out.

Were too.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-09   18:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

because I have no influence over the policy.

That's not a reason not to care, that's a reason to fight for a Ron Paul administration.

Keeping track of the regime evildoers is important to raise the awareness among the average American and to aid in the pursuit of justice once this regime is out of power.

Otherwise, you may as well be another psychopath like Barbara Bush, as someone posted to you at the top of this thread.

If you are so apathetic, why do you bother posting on this 4um?

You are not really apathetic, you have posted a lot of Bush propaganda and disinfo on other threads. For this thread, your comments on Iraq, you have chosen apathy to try and discourage Americans from being pro-active about the course of their government.

As I posted before Mister Dirty Traitor, I believe you are a paid shill. Do hurry along to Canada or wherever. Hopefully the Canadians will see you for what you truly are.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-09   18:31:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You are not really apathetic, you have posted a lot of Bush propaganda and disinfo on other threads.

There is not a single post from me on this forum or LP that is in support of Bush.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   19:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They Thought They Were Free, The Germans 193_ to 1945 by Milton Mayer

I'm going to look up this book, see if it's similar to Goldhagen's.

In reality the people knew they were not free. My mother was a kid at the time in Austria when Hitler took over there, they were forced to join Hitler youth groups, spend time making floats and ribbons for parades for Hitler, they were told by their teachers that they must report anyone who speaks ill of the fuhrer, and her mother had to flee the country because she remarried a Jewish man, so my mother lived out the war with her grandparents, and rejoined her mother and step-father after the war and the end of nazis.

She came from a wealthy family but at that point no one any longer had any money, food was scarce, and no one dared discuss politics because everyone feared getting in trouble.

My step-mother lived in Germany at the time, she was also a kid and her father was forced to join some kind of club, everyone had to join, from little kids to old people. It was a bad time for anyone who did not like groups. Also many people were put in jail for flimsy reasons, and people were often picked on for not working hard enough which at the time was equated with being unpatriotic. They also put a huge emphasis on athletic abilities and looks, skin and hair color and so on, so many people easily felt they could not measure up, were not good enough, and could be thrown in the camps at any time. People tend to think only Jews went to the camps but regular Germans, Poles and Austrians wound up in the camps too.

It was not a happy or secure time for most all of the people who lived under that rule, except for those hard core nazis who were really into it, their modern-day counterparts would be the rabid bots.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   19:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So long as it's just a mini panic. I was nervous there for a second.

The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke

DeaconBenjamin  posted on  2007-08-09   19:41:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The doom and gloomers are almost always wrong. Example: there will be no draft, or marital law, there are no concentration camps just waiting in America, or war on Iran.

Global warming is minor and caused by minor variations in the Sun, peak oil is a myth.

I always discount hysteria. And there's a lot of it.

“When I am the weaker, I ask you for my freedom, because that is your principle; but when I am the stronger, I take away your freedom, because that is my principle.”-Louis Veuillot

YertleTurtle  posted on  2007-08-09   19:52:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Every possible mistake that could have been made was made. This is one case where stupidity, incompetence and worse have won.

they weren't smart people. from the outset they lied about the reasons for invading Iraq. this is the blowback. those of us who were against it from the getgo were smarter than your "smart people within the system." maybe you ought to do some study of unrevisionist history of wars.

christine  posted on  2007-08-09   20:07:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Example: there will be no draft, or marital law, there are no concentration camps just waiting in America, or war on Iran.

if/when any one of these occurs, i'll send you some nice roasted crow. of course, none of these things has ever happened to other imperialistic countries in history whose model, incidentally, the US government is emulating. have you ever heard the adages, "the best predictor of future behavior is past" and "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it?"

christine  posted on  2007-08-09   20:14:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Measured against the rising dollar-denominated prices of just about everything else on the planet...

"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."

Axenolith  posted on  2007-08-09   20:15:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

or marital law,

I'd submit we already have it. Police road blocks and searches are common place, surveillance cameras litter the landscape, Habeas Corpus went bye-bye, our 1st amendment right is permitted only in “free speech zones�, government can listen in to phone conversations and read your email whenever they want w/o court order, the president refers to the constitution as a piece of toilet paper and people who distrust government are called KooKs by men who wear Bermuda shorts and raise pugs. What’s missing, a curfew? Give them one more 911, and that’s next.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2007-08-09   20:19:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The doom and gloomers are almost always wrong. Example: there will be no draft, or marital law, there are no concentration camps just waiting in America, or war on Iran.

Yep.

The funny thing is, their horrendous track record doesn't phase them. They are quite dedicated to their pessimism.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   20:48:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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