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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
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Mister Clean
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Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
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Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster? I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood. These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!" Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic. I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.
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#23. To: Mister Clean (#11)
And there were several instances where is was a very close brush that that collapse didn't occur due to frantic management of money and markets. It kept the wheels on for the time being, but you're not paying $3.00 for a gallon of gasoline and $4.00 for a loaf of bread now because either of the materials to create them are any scarcer or more difficult to process...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
well said, ax. Mr Clean, you act as though world leaders have never said so themselves! here ya go, take your blinders off.
I like the published monthly predictions of Bush or Israel or both attacking Iran 'next month'. It's also fun to listen toe the CYA talk from the 'homeland security' and the other 'authorities', always confidently stating that 'we are going to be attacked again' so, if that ever happens they can say 'see? we told you so!, now let's go on with the torture program'.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had? Now, the desire is surely there, and the elitists of the world carp and bemoan our heavy ownership to no end, of that, there is no doubt. And they make no bones about its eventuality, though I'm ready to insure there's a few less of them after they try...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
I'll give you an example. The plans for the Trans Texas Corridor along with the idea of the NASCO highway along with the SPP are all understood by conspiracy theorists as part of the evil New World Order when, in reality, they are just elements of the process of globalization.
"I am Clean, of the Borg. Prepare for assimilation!"
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Close doesn't count. Every time the market experiences a technical correction, the doom & gloomers come out from under their rocks in gleeful anticipation of a new depression. They're always disappointed! As far as prices go, well, they always go up. That's life.
It's also fun to listen toe the CYA talk from the 'homeland security' and the other 'authorities', always confidently stating that 'we are going to be attacked again' so, if that ever happens they can say 'see? we told you so!, now let's go on with the torture program'. They're all the same! I've been hearing how an attack on Iran is just about to happen. But it never happens. Just like every dire prediction of nuclear jihad or an attack by al-Qaeda using bio-weapons. It never happens.
You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard." That has not happened.
NWO = Globalization = Bullshit... If a global government is such a get out all kick ass notion, I wonder why none of the champagne, brie, and pate' swilling crowd has come to the conclusion that it'd be best done by amalgamating the entire globe under a constitution identical to ours with equal representation and reeking of freedom??? Oh, I know, it's because they lust for power and control and a return to a technological version of the age when they were kings and queens and "Gods direct representative on earth" to us rubes. Fuck that noise. There's a lot of the rest of the planet where you and the other globalist ilk can play serf, you just leave the 48 contiguous, Hawaii, and Alaska to the messy freedom lovers and butt the hell out. And while we're at it, stay the fuck off our moon too...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Count me in as a "doom & gloomer" if that's the label. Someone has to warn people about what is around the corner. Those who ignore the warning signs, and there are many, will continue to live in the faux reality where they feel the most comfortable. Empirical historical evidence suggests that breakdowns in social order occur often and there are usually ample warning signs beforehand. In this time it's not so difficult to get a handle on the converging perils- the financial / economic system, biological hazards, war, natural disasters, the burgeoning police state (what do YOU think these preparations are being made for?), and so-called terrorism. The warnings are everywhere. People like Mister Clean can ignore the warnings and discredit the messengers, but I consider it a personal responsibility to be aware of what is happening in the world and warn others about the intuition of what's coming. At this point, I'd venture to say an event is at the doorstep. Nearly everyone is absolutely dependant on supermarkets for their food and municipalities for their water & power. That dependence is too dangerous to ignore out of hand. Sadly, even conventional wisdom regarding our future is ignored at our own peril. Speaking for myself, It's not "I told you so" after the fact, it's "I'm trying to warn you" before it's too late. We live in dangerous times. America, insulated from the realities of our world for generations, has two choices as a nation. Wake up and make the sacrifices necessary to steer clear of disaster, or ignore the the warnings and face the consequences. I've made my choice. It appears that Mr. clean has made his. Peace
Who has come out and literally proposed a global government? Nobody.
We've all been thrown out of somewhere, that's why we're here.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
It always is.
"Since when do they need to involve "norming" our firearms ownership to a world ban standard?" Dude, parse that statement and compare it to the quoted... Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes. If you don't think firearms ownership has gotten more difficult over time then you're hopeless. And BTW, it hasn't done what it was touted to do either...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Nobody. Poppy Bush New World Order
Ron Paul for President
Big freaking deal. You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag? Ha!
I'd say "holding a war in one of the world's largest oil-producing countries" would qualify as making gasoline more difficult to process. And I don't know where you do your shopping, but I can buy fresh bread 6 blocks away for a buck per loaf.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Nobody. Actions speak louder than words, and while no government comes right out and proposes it, their proxies in the big foundations and NGO's make no bones about it. Rather than red herring that statement, why not take a shot at answering it?
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Many times they are. It's just that you've lived in a historically anomalous time in a historically anomalous place so from your point of reference they've always been wrong. America is a tiny part of the wold population that has had a good bit of fortune. What is commonplace elsewhere would be considered a fat tail event here. The thing about fat tail events though is the longer you go without one, the more likely one is going to happen.
I should have pinged you too, from Poppy Bush's own lips, a New World Order... http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58908&Disp=38#C38
Ron Paul for President
They're not fighting the "New World Order."
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if a) your city is below water; and b) the levies fail; that c) your city is going to flood. Likewise it was clear to anyone within the first six months of Gulf War II that the Iraqi insurgency was going to be impossible to defeat without killing every man, woman, and child over there. But what about all the things that were supposed to have killed us by now? SARS, West Nile Virus, Bird Flu, and that "next" Spanish Flu that's just lurking in the wings? Posters on this board and others took those ideas and ran for the hills, buying Tamiflu, etc. For 5 years now, I've been hearing that the dollar is going to become worthless paper and that gold will skyrocket to $1,000 or $2,000 or $12,000 per ounce. That would actually be a really awesome scenario for me, since I am in the gold business and could pay off my debts with worthless paper, but it keeps not happening. What happened to the FEMA camps that Bill and Hillary were going to lock every gun owner into? What happened to Bill and Hillary refusing to leave office in 2001? For 5 years now, I've heard of the impending market crash, even being dumb enough to keep most of my money out of the market, while the DOW gained 5,000 points. Ridiculous.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
When? Where? What?
Except when they go down. Down is the natural state for them to go. It takes alot of central planning to keep them going up.
You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag? Ha! Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top. Also, I don't need to win myself, I would merely need to sell myself dearly. Cowards see long odds and fold to tyranny, freedom lovers fight against long odds, even when there is low hope of winning. BTW, I thought you were of the opinion that the NWO is fictional???
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Guess it really depends on what you're talking about. The cost of making and distributing motion pictures has gone up, therefore the cost of movie tickets has gone up.
When the Mongols entered northern Persia you don't think there was a guy in Baghdad talking about doom and gloom for the city in a few years? You don't think anybody in Poland thought there were hard times coming when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany?
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy. Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters.
Then why does Uncle Sam lose so many wars?
You mean Christine is running a forum of castoffs, rejects and assorted ner do wells? Maybe that is why I feel at home.
And the dollar was the only thing the DOW "went up in". Against nearly every other metric, it's been flat or down.
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Input costs don't set the price of goods.
How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?
You don't think anybody in Poland thought there were hard times coming when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany? When I talk about doom & gloomers, I'm talking about people who are CONTINUALLY warning about horrors that await us just around the corner, horrors that never materialize. I gave 3 examples in my original post: economic collapse, terrorism and global warming. I'm not talking about smart people who could see trouble ahead based on specific, credible information. A lot of military guys saw disaster in Iraq, but that doesn't put them in the same category as the doom & gloomer who is continually hyperventilating about al-Qaeda getting nukes.
Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.
Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters. You think you could focus that thimble sized hunk of gray matter and stay on point here? When you keep wandering off track in a feeble attempt at discrediting extraneous statements and walking the subject all over the block, you look like and idiot... BTW, don't forget, you don't believe in the NWO and seem to hold "Uncle Sam" as our benevolent loving benifactor...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
What's your point again? You're afraid the NWO is coming after your precious guns?
Holy crap, that's a caveat and a half. So in the case of economic collapse (or some sub variant), 3000 years of the continuous failure of fiat money systems doesn't count as "specific, credible information???
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI've been hearing predictions of a massive economic collapse for almost 20 years now and it hasn't happened. But the typical doom & gloomer says it's just around the corner.
#24. To: Axenolith, Mr Clean (#16)
#25. To: Mister Clean (#0)
#26. To: Mister Clean (#20)
#27. To: Eoghan (#22)
No, Klein...you owe everyone a short essay on the above bizarre statement. I think you'll be able a lot?
#28. To: Mister Clean (#18)
It would be better to adapt rather than screech about the "globalists" and their evil plans.
#29. To: Axenolith (#23)
And there were several instances where is was a very close brush that that collapse didn't occur due to frantic management of money and markets. It kept the wheels on for the time being, but you're not paying $3.00 for a gallon of gasoline and $4.00 for a loaf of bread now because either of the materials to create them are any scarcer or more difficult to process...
#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
I like the published monthly predictions of Bush or Israel or both attacking Iran 'next month'.
#31. To: Axenolith (#26)
Never stated they have been, did you decide that needed to be stated merely to imply I had?
#32. To: Mister Clean (#27)
...understood by conspiracy theorists as part of the evil New World Order when, in reality, they are just elements of the process of globalization.
#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)
Doom and gloomers (like me) predicted that the housing market was a bubble that would eventually pop and collapse.
#34. To: Axenolith (#32)
If a global government is such a get out all kick ass notion, I wonder why none of the champagne, brie, and pate' swilling crowd has come to the conclusion that it'd be best done by amalgamating the entire globe under a constitution identical to ours with equal representation and reeking of freedom???
#35. To: Cynicom (#19)
Clean has been thrown out of more forums than I can name.
#36. To: lightmind (#33)
At this point, I'd venture to say an event is at the doorstep.
#37. To: Mister Clean (#31)
You said that US gun laws are "norming" to a "world ban standard."
#38. To: Mister Clean (#34)
Who has come out and literally proposed a global government?
#39. To: Axenolith (#37)
Now, in retrospect, I'll agree that, yes, they are norming. Can I no longer get a 10+ round mag in CA? Yes. Is the 1968 gun control act modeled after the National Socialists of Germanys? Yes.
#40. To: Axenolith (#23)
but you're not paying $3.00 for a gallon of gasoline and $4.00 for a loaf of bread now because either of the materials to create them are any scarcer or more difficult to process...
#41. To: Indrid Cold (#35)
#42. To: Mister Clean (#34)
Who has come out and literally proposed a global government?
#43. To: Mister Clean (#39)
#44. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?
#45. To: Axenolith (#42)
#46. To: ghostdogtxn (#43)
The Iraqis are doing a pretty good job of fighting the new world order with AKs and plastique.
#47. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)
Well, the doom and gloomers of National Geographic Magazine noticed that most of New Orleans proper was under sea level and proposed that a breach in the levies might result in flooding and death.
#48. To: SmokinOPs (#44)
Many times they are.
#49. To: Mister Clean (#29)
As far as prices go, well, they always go up.
#50. To: Mister Clean (#39)
Big freaking deal.
#51. To: SmokinOPs (#49)
Down is the natural state for them to go. It takes alot of central planning to keep them going up.
#52. To: Mister Clean (#48)
When? Where? What?
#53. To: Axenolith (#50)
Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top.
#54. To: Mister Clean (#53)
Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of.
#55. To: Indrid Cold (#35)
We've all been thrown out of somewhere, that's why we're here.
#56. To: Indrid Cold (#47)
For 5 years now, I've heard of the impending market crash, even being dumb enough to keep most of my money out of the market, while the DOW gained 5,000 points.
#57. To: Mister Clean (#51)
The cost of making and distributing motion pictures has gone up, therefore the cost of movie tickets has gone up.
#58. To: Mister Clean (#53)
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.
#59. To: SmokinOPs (#52)
When the Mongols entered northern Persia you don't think there was a guy in Baghdad talking about doom and gloom for the city in a few years?
#60. To: Ringo Blankenship (#58)
How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?
#61. To: Mister Clean (#53)
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.
#62. To: Axenolith (#61)
You think you could focus that thimble sized hunk of gray matter and stay on point here?
#63. To: Mister Clean (#59)
I'm not talking about smart people who could see trouble ahead based on specific, credible information.
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