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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
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Mister Clean
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Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
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Comments: 213
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster? I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood. These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!" Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic. I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.
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#42. To: Mister Clean (#34)
Nobody. Actions speak louder than words, and while no government comes right out and proposes it, their proxies in the big foundations and NGO's make no bones about it. Rather than red herring that statement, why not take a shot at answering it?
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Many times they are. It's just that you've lived in a historically anomalous time in a historically anomalous place so from your point of reference they've always been wrong. America is a tiny part of the wold population that has had a good bit of fortune. What is commonplace elsewhere would be considered a fat tail event here. The thing about fat tail events though is the longer you go without one, the more likely one is going to happen.
I should have pinged you too, from Poppy Bush's own lips, a New World Order... http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=58908&Disp=38#C38
Ron Paul for President
They're not fighting the "New World Order."
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that if a) your city is below water; and b) the levies fail; that c) your city is going to flood. Likewise it was clear to anyone within the first six months of Gulf War II that the Iraqi insurgency was going to be impossible to defeat without killing every man, woman, and child over there. But what about all the things that were supposed to have killed us by now? SARS, West Nile Virus, Bird Flu, and that "next" Spanish Flu that's just lurking in the wings? Posters on this board and others took those ideas and ran for the hills, buying Tamiflu, etc. For 5 years now, I've been hearing that the dollar is going to become worthless paper and that gold will skyrocket to $1,000 or $2,000 or $12,000 per ounce. That would actually be a really awesome scenario for me, since I am in the gold business and could pay off my debts with worthless paper, but it keeps not happening. What happened to the FEMA camps that Bill and Hillary were going to lock every gun owner into? What happened to Bill and Hillary refusing to leave office in 2001? For 5 years now, I've heard of the impending market crash, even being dumb enough to keep most of my money out of the market, while the DOW gained 5,000 points. Ridiculous.
The "Department of Defense" has never won a war. The "War Department" was undefeated.
When? Where? What?
Except when they go down. Down is the natural state for them to go. It takes alot of central planning to keep them going up.
You think you can fight the New World Order with a 10+ round mag? Ha! Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top. Also, I don't need to win myself, I would merely need to sell myself dearly. Cowards see long odds and fold to tyranny, freedom lovers fight against long odds, even when there is low hope of winning. BTW, I thought you were of the opinion that the NWO is fictional???
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Guess it really depends on what you're talking about. The cost of making and distributing motion pictures has gone up, therefore the cost of movie tickets has gone up.
When the Mongols entered northern Persia you don't think there was a guy in Baghdad talking about doom and gloom for the city in a few years? You don't think anybody in Poland thought there were hard times coming when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany?
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy. Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters.
Then why does Uncle Sam lose so many wars?
You mean Christine is running a forum of castoffs, rejects and assorted ner do wells? Maybe that is why I feel at home.
And the dollar was the only thing the DOW "went up in". Against nearly every other metric, it's been flat or down.
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Input costs don't set the price of goods.
How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?
You don't think anybody in Poland thought there were hard times coming when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany? When I talk about doom & gloomers, I'm talking about people who are CONTINUALLY warning about horrors that await us just around the corner, horrors that never materialize. I gave 3 examples in my original post: economic collapse, terrorism and global warming. I'm not talking about smart people who could see trouble ahead based on specific, credible information. A lot of military guys saw disaster in Iraq, but that doesn't put them in the same category as the doom & gloomer who is continually hyperventilating about al-Qaeda getting nukes.
Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.
Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters. You think you could focus that thimble sized hunk of gray matter and stay on point here? When you keep wandering off track in a feeble attempt at discrediting extraneous statements and walking the subject all over the block, you look like and idiot... BTW, don't forget, you don't believe in the NWO and seem to hold "Uncle Sam" as our benevolent loving benifactor...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
What's your point again? You're afraid the NWO is coming after your precious guns?
Holy crap, that's a caveat and a half. So in the case of economic collapse (or some sub variant), 3000 years of the continuous failure of fiat money systems doesn't count as "specific, credible information???
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
outstanding, as always. i think about you often and hope you're doing well, j.
touche'
No, the point we were on was globalization and a "New World Order", your obvious infatuation with globalization and whether or not it was a good thing. Your infatuation with my stand on firearms ownership is a side bar you seemed to need to focus on (though I did rise to it...)
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Here in the US they rarely materialize. Other places in the world a doom and gloomer could be a prophet.
The doom & gloomers who have been predicting an economic collapse for years have been consistently wrong. That's really the point. That's the kind of doom & gloomer I'm referring to, the chicken littles who always see disaster ahead yet the disaster they see never materializes.
How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?
By and large I think globalization is a good thing.
It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics. The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.
Totally different ballgame when the people accept the surrender decision of the central government.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan. Now now, nuking does not count. You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs. Powerful Western militaries have trouble on the battlefield (witness the Vietnam War, Iraq, Hezbollah vs. Israel, etc.).
hehehehe..love it!
I'm sure the bombing of Dresden and the 2 nukes in Japan helped the people accept surrender.
Which "World Bank Types" advocated war on Iraq?
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
So nuking is pretty much the only way to "win". I see.
People were predicting the US civil war 30 years before it happened.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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#43. To: Mister Clean (#39)
#44. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?
#45. To: Axenolith (#42)
#46. To: ghostdogtxn (#43)
The Iraqis are doing a pretty good job of fighting the new world order with AKs and plastique.
#47. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)
Well, the doom and gloomers of National Geographic Magazine noticed that most of New Orleans proper was under sea level and proposed that a breach in the levies might result in flooding and death.
#48. To: SmokinOPs (#44)
Many times they are.
#49. To: Mister Clean (#29)
As far as prices go, well, they always go up.
#50. To: Mister Clean (#39)
Big freaking deal.
#51. To: SmokinOPs (#49)
Down is the natural state for them to go. It takes alot of central planning to keep them going up.
#52. To: Mister Clean (#48)
When? Where? What?
#53. To: Axenolith (#50)
Um, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top.
#54. To: Mister Clean (#53)
Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of.
#55. To: Indrid Cold (#35)
We've all been thrown out of somewhere, that's why we're here.
#56. To: Indrid Cold (#47)
For 5 years now, I've heard of the impending market crash, even being dumb enough to keep most of my money out of the market, while the DOW gained 5,000 points.
#57. To: Mister Clean (#51)
The cost of making and distributing motion pictures has gone up, therefore the cost of movie tickets has gone up.
#58. To: Mister Clean (#53)
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.
#59. To: SmokinOPs (#52)
When the Mongols entered northern Persia you don't think there was a guy in Baghdad talking about doom and gloom for the city in a few years?
#60. To: Ringo Blankenship (#58)
How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?
#61. To: Mister Clean (#53)
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.
#62. To: Axenolith (#61)
You think you could focus that thimble sized hunk of gray matter and stay on point here?
#63. To: Mister Clean (#59)
I'm not talking about smart people who could see trouble ahead based on specific, credible information.
#64. To: lightmind (#33)
#65. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
It's also fun to listen toe the CYA talk from the 'homeland security' and the other 'authorities', always confidently stating that 'we are going to be attacked again' so, if that ever happens they can say 'see? we told you so!, now let's go on with the torture program'.
#66. To: Mister Clean (#62)
#67. To: Mister Clean (#59)
When I talk about doom & gloomers, I'm talking about people who are CONTINUALLY warning about horrors that await us just around the corner, horrors that never materialize
#68. To: Axenolith (#63)
So in the case of economic collapse (or some sub variant), 3000 years of the continuous failure of fiat money systems doesn't count as "specific, credible information???
#69. To: Mister Clean (#60)
Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.
#70. To: Axenolith (#66)
No, the point we were on was globalization and a "New World Order", your obvious infatuation with globalization and whether or not it was a good thing.
#71. To: SmokinOPs (#69)
How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?
#72. To: Mister Clean (#71)
The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.
#73. To: Mister Clean (#46)
#74. To: Mister Clean (#71)
It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics.
#75. To: Axenolith, Jethro Tull (#32)
There's a lot of the rest of the planet where you and the other globalist ilk can play serf, you just leave the 48 contiguous, Hawaii, and Alaska to the messy freedom lovers and butt the hell out.
#76. To: SmokinOPs (#72)
Totally different ballgame when the people accept the surrender decision of the central government.
#77. To: ghostdogtxn (#73)
You need to seriously study why we are there and what we are fighting for. It has to do with oil, sure, but also monetary structures, Saddam's refusal to play ball with the World Bank types, and a lot of other very "new world order" things.
#78. To: Ringo Blankenship (#74)
You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs.
#79. To: Indrid Cold (#47)
#80. To: Mister Clean (#78)
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
#81. To: Axenolith (#8)
Actually, they're almost never wrong, they merely fall under the variations of the rule that states "The Market [read also System, or Society] can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent".
#82. To: Mister Clean (#77)
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