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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
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Mister Clean
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Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
Views: 1927
Comments: 213
Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster? I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood. These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!" Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic. I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.
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#53. To: Axenolith (#50)
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy. Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters.
Then why does Uncle Sam lose so many wars?
You mean Christine is running a forum of castoffs, rejects and assorted ner do wells? Maybe that is why I feel at home.
And the dollar was the only thing the DOW "went up in". Against nearly every other metric, it's been flat or down.
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Input costs don't set the price of goods.
How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?
You don't think anybody in Poland thought there were hard times coming when Hitler became Chancellor of Germany? When I talk about doom & gloomers, I'm talking about people who are CONTINUALLY warning about horrors that await us just around the corner, horrors that never materialize. I gave 3 examples in my original post: economic collapse, terrorism and global warming. I'm not talking about smart people who could see trouble ahead based on specific, credible information. A lot of military guys saw disaster in Iraq, but that doesn't put them in the same category as the doom & gloomer who is continually hyperventilating about al-Qaeda getting nukes.
Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.
Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of. Besides, Americans are consumers, not guerrilla fighters. You think you could focus that thimble sized hunk of gray matter and stay on point here? When you keep wandering off track in a feeble attempt at discrediting extraneous statements and walking the subject all over the block, you look like and idiot... BTW, don't forget, you don't believe in the NWO and seem to hold "Uncle Sam" as our benevolent loving benifactor...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
What's your point again? You're afraid the NWO is coming after your precious guns?
Holy crap, that's a caveat and a half. So in the case of economic collapse (or some sub variant), 3000 years of the continuous failure of fiat money systems doesn't count as "specific, credible information???
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
outstanding, as always. i think about you often and hope you're doing well, j.
touche'
No, the point we were on was globalization and a "New World Order", your obvious infatuation with globalization and whether or not it was a good thing. Your infatuation with my stand on firearms ownership is a side bar you seemed to need to focus on (though I did rise to it...)
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
Here in the US they rarely materialize. Other places in the world a doom and gloomer could be a prophet.
The doom & gloomers who have been predicting an economic collapse for years have been consistently wrong. That's really the point. That's the kind of doom & gloomer I'm referring to, the chicken littles who always see disaster ahead yet the disaster they see never materializes.
How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?
By and large I think globalization is a good thing.
It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics. The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.
Totally different ballgame when the people accept the surrender decision of the central government.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan. Now now, nuking does not count. You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs. Powerful Western militaries have trouble on the battlefield (witness the Vietnam War, Iraq, Hezbollah vs. Israel, etc.).
hehehehe..love it!
I'm sure the bombing of Dresden and the 2 nukes in Japan helped the people accept surrender.
Which "World Bank Types" advocated war on Iraq?
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
So nuking is pretty much the only way to "win". I see.
People were predicting the US civil war 30 years before it happened.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the “Right to Keep and Bear Arms Act.” This legislation prohibits US taxpayer dollars from being used to support or promote any United Nations actions that could infringe on the Second Amendment. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms Act also expresses the sense of Congress that proposals to tax, or otherwise limit, the right to keep and bear arms are “reprehensible and deserving of condemnation.” Over the past decade, the UN has waged a campaign to undermine gun rights protected by the Second Amendment of the US Constitution. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has called on members of the Security Council to “tackle” the proliferation and “easy availability” of small arms and light weapons. Just this June, the UN tried to “tackle” gun rights by sponsoring a “Week of Action Against Small Arms.” Of course, by small arms, the UN really means all privately owned firearms. Secretary Annan is not the only globalist calling for international controls on firearms. For example, some world leaders, including French President Jacques Chirac, have called for a global tax on firearms. Meanwhile, the UN Security Council’s “Report of the Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms” calls for a comprehensive program of worldwide gun control and praises the restrictive gun polices of Red China and France! Contrary to the UN propaganda, the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right and, according to the drafters of the Constitution, the guardian of every other right. Scholar John Lott has shown that respecting the right to keep and bear arms is one of the best ways governments can reduce crime. Conversely, cities where the government imposes gun control have higher crime rates. Far from making people safer, gun control endangers innocent people by increasing the odds that they will be victimized! Gun control also increases the odds that people will lose their lives and liberties to power-hungry government officials. Tyrannical governments throughout the world kill approximately 2,000,000 people annually. Many of these victims of tyranny were first disarmed by their governments. If the UN is successful in implementing a global regime of gun control, more innocent lives will be lost to public (and private) criminals. I would remind my colleagues that policies prohibiting the private ownership of firearms were strongly supported by tyrants such as Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung. Mr. Speaker, global gun control is a recipe for global tyranny and a threat to the safety of all law-abiding persons. I therefore hope all my colleagues will help protect the fundamental human right to keep and bear arms by cosponsoring the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Act. Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
WHAT RECORD HIGH? As the Dow burst through the 13,000 milestone this week, few understood the hollowness of the achievement. Measured against the rising dollar-denominated prices of just about everything else on the planet, the Dow has actually lost value over the past seven years. Measured against the truest benchmark, the price of gold, the record high for the Dow was set back in January of 2000 when its price equaled approximately 43 ounces of gold. Today it is only worth about 19 ounces. * * * Despite its recent eclipse of 13,000 the Dow now buys Try figuring what the Dow will buy in terms of other necessities, such as housing, insurance, college tuition or hospitalization. Any way you measure it, the Dow is worth far less today then it was in January of 2000. Back in 1980 one Zimbabwe dollar was worth more than one U.S. dollar. Therefore a billionaire in Zimbabwe was also a billionaire in America. Today, almost everyone in Zimbabwe is a billionaire yet few of them can afford a pack of chewing gum. Do you think that anyone invested in the Zimbabwean stock market these past 30 years cares how many record highs that market has made? http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schiff/2007/0427.html
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
I really wonder why America is full of these types of people. I wouldn't say they are wrong, as this is far from a perfect world and major and minor catastrophes of all sorts have frequently occured throughout history.
How I wish I could go just ONE day in my life without having to see or hear the word HITLER.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Subtle persuasion to imprint it on the minds of the masses. Over and over and over every day every day.
Will counts for a lot, and the Iraqis have a very strong will to rid their country of invaders.
It drives me nuts, I'm so tired of it. At this point you'd think the only thing that happened during the 20th century was HITLER and his evil deeds. Yesterday someone here brought up Mussolini, I realized I knew almost nothing about him so I read about him. It made me realize even more how most of what I know of WWII is HITLER. Hitler is everywhere. There are many documentaries about him on the History Channel, or used to be when I still had a tv, in magazines there are always countless references to Hitler, there are nazi movies put out on a regular basis to further "remind" us, I'm just so tired of being beaten over the head with Hitler. We even have to pay for the construction in this country of holocaust museums, as if we are the guilty party, nevermind American soldiers lost their lives ridding Germany of Hitler. And nevermind all the millions upon millions who died around the globe during the 20th century as a result of various atrocities. Just yesterday when I read about Mussolini for instance I found out he invaded Ethiopia and had ordinary citizens there killed in an effort to control the place. SO much went on that we never hear about, because we are only suppose to care about what HITLER did.
Oh good grief not again.
Can we PLEASE move on??
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestUm, if you look at the track record of independance movements and guerilla actions you'd note that governments, in the past, have seldom come out on top.
#54. To: Mister Clean (#53)
Uncle Sam has got more guns than you could ever dream of.
#55. To: Indrid Cold (#35)
We've all been thrown out of somewhere, that's why we're here.
#56. To: Indrid Cold (#47)
For 5 years now, I've heard of the impending market crash, even being dumb enough to keep most of my money out of the market, while the DOW gained 5,000 points.
#57. To: Mister Clean (#51)
The cost of making and distributing motion pictures has gone up, therefore the cost of movie tickets has gone up.
#58. To: Mister Clean (#53)
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.
#59. To: SmokinOPs (#52)
When the Mongols entered northern Persia you don't think there was a guy in Baghdad talking about doom and gloom for the city in a few years?
#60. To: Ringo Blankenship (#58)
How come the ragtag Iraqi militias are driving out Uncle Sam?
#61. To: Mister Clean (#53)
If you think a 10+ mag will protect yourself from mean ole Uncle Sam and his NWO buddies, you're crazy.
#62. To: Axenolith (#61)
You think you could focus that thimble sized hunk of gray matter and stay on point here?
#63. To: Mister Clean (#59)
I'm not talking about smart people who could see trouble ahead based on specific, credible information.
#64. To: lightmind (#33)
#65. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
It's also fun to listen toe the CYA talk from the 'homeland security' and the other 'authorities', always confidently stating that 'we are going to be attacked again' so, if that ever happens they can say 'see? we told you so!, now let's go on with the torture program'.
#66. To: Mister Clean (#62)
#67. To: Mister Clean (#59)
When I talk about doom & gloomers, I'm talking about people who are CONTINUALLY warning about horrors that await us just around the corner, horrors that never materialize
#68. To: Axenolith (#63)
So in the case of economic collapse (or some sub variant), 3000 years of the continuous failure of fiat money systems doesn't count as "specific, credible information???
#69. To: Mister Clean (#60)
Because the US government is not fighting to conquer.
#70. To: Axenolith (#66)
No, the point we were on was globalization and a "New World Order", your obvious infatuation with globalization and whether or not it was a good thing.
#71. To: SmokinOPs (#69)
How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?
#72. To: Mister Clean (#71)
The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.
#73. To: Mister Clean (#46)
#74. To: Mister Clean (#71)
It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics.
#75. To: Axenolith, Jethro Tull (#32)
There's a lot of the rest of the planet where you and the other globalist ilk can play serf, you just leave the 48 contiguous, Hawaii, and Alaska to the messy freedom lovers and butt the hell out.
#76. To: SmokinOPs (#72)
Totally different ballgame when the people accept the surrender decision of the central government.
#77. To: ghostdogtxn (#73)
You need to seriously study why we are there and what we are fighting for. It has to do with oil, sure, but also monetary structures, Saddam's refusal to play ball with the World Bank types, and a lot of other very "new world order" things.
#78. To: Ringo Blankenship (#74)
You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs.
#79. To: Indrid Cold (#47)
#80. To: Mister Clean (#78)
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
#81. To: Axenolith (#8)
Actually, they're almost never wrong, they merely fall under the variations of the rule that states "The Market [read also System, or Society] can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent".
#82. To: Mister Clean (#77)
#83. To: DeaconBenjamin (#81)
#84. To: Mister Clean (#20)
#85. To: Axenolith, indrid cold (#56)
Come on Indrid, you know this:
by Peter Schiff
April 27, 2007
30% fewer euros than it did then back in 2000 when it was priced at approximately 11,500.
35% fewer gallons of milk,
40% fewer bushels of corn or wheat,
65% fewer ounces of silver,
70% fewer barrels of oil,
80% fewer pounds of copper, and
90% fewer pounds of uranium.
#86. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic.
#87. To: ghostdogtxn, robin, Mister Clean, christine (#6)
OTOH, the "brightsiders" of the world predicted a cakewalk in Iraq, an ever- expanding housing market, didn't reinforce the levies and thought we could get along with Hitler just fine.
#88. To: Diana (#87)
#89. To: Diana (#87)
How I wish I could go just ONE day in my life without having to see or hear the word HITLER.
#90. To: Mister Clean (#78)
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
#91. To: Cynicom (#89)
Over and over and over every day every day.
#92. To: ghostdogtxn, cynicom (#79)
I'm sure there were Germans, even German Jews, who in 1935 who thought the very notion of a program of extermination of the Jews was "ridiculous",
#93. To: ghostdogtxn (#79)
who in 1935
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