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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
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Mister Clean
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Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
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Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster? I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood. These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!" Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic. I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.
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#71. To: SmokinOPs (#69)
It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics. The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.
Totally different ballgame when the people accept the surrender decision of the central government.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan. Now now, nuking does not count. You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs. Powerful Western militaries have trouble on the battlefield (witness the Vietnam War, Iraq, Hezbollah vs. Israel, etc.).
hehehehe..love it!
I'm sure the bombing of Dresden and the 2 nukes in Japan helped the people accept surrender.
Which "World Bank Types" advocated war on Iraq?
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
So nuking is pretty much the only way to "win". I see.
People were predicting the US civil war 30 years before it happened.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Mr. Speaker, I rise to introduce the “Right to Keep and Bear Arms Act.” This legislation prohibits US taxpayer dollars from being used to support or promote any United Nations actions that could infringe on the Second Amendment. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms Act also expresses the sense of Congress that proposals to tax, or otherwise limit, the right to keep and bear arms are “reprehensible and deserving of condemnation.” Over the past decade, the UN has waged a campaign to undermine gun rights protected by the Second Amendment of the US Constitution. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has called on members of the Security Council to “tackle” the proliferation and “easy availability” of small arms and light weapons. Just this June, the UN tried to “tackle” gun rights by sponsoring a “Week of Action Against Small Arms.” Of course, by small arms, the UN really means all privately owned firearms. Secretary Annan is not the only globalist calling for international controls on firearms. For example, some world leaders, including French President Jacques Chirac, have called for a global tax on firearms. Meanwhile, the UN Security Council’s “Report of the Group of Governmental Experts on Small Arms” calls for a comprehensive program of worldwide gun control and praises the restrictive gun polices of Red China and France! Contrary to the UN propaganda, the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right and, according to the drafters of the Constitution, the guardian of every other right. Scholar John Lott has shown that respecting the right to keep and bear arms is one of the best ways governments can reduce crime. Conversely, cities where the government imposes gun control have higher crime rates. Far from making people safer, gun control endangers innocent people by increasing the odds that they will be victimized! Gun control also increases the odds that people will lose their lives and liberties to power-hungry government officials. Tyrannical governments throughout the world kill approximately 2,000,000 people annually. Many of these victims of tyranny were first disarmed by their governments. If the UN is successful in implementing a global regime of gun control, more innocent lives will be lost to public (and private) criminals. I would remind my colleagues that policies prohibiting the private ownership of firearms were strongly supported by tyrants such as Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Tse-Tung. Mr. Speaker, global gun control is a recipe for global tyranny and a threat to the safety of all law-abiding persons. I therefore hope all my colleagues will help protect the fundamental human right to keep and bear arms by cosponsoring the Right to Keep and Bear Arms Act. Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
WHAT RECORD HIGH? As the Dow burst through the 13,000 milestone this week, few understood the hollowness of the achievement. Measured against the rising dollar-denominated prices of just about everything else on the planet, the Dow has actually lost value over the past seven years. Measured against the truest benchmark, the price of gold, the record high for the Dow was set back in January of 2000 when its price equaled approximately 43 ounces of gold. Today it is only worth about 19 ounces. * * * Despite its recent eclipse of 13,000 the Dow now buys Try figuring what the Dow will buy in terms of other necessities, such as housing, insurance, college tuition or hospitalization. Any way you measure it, the Dow is worth far less today then it was in January of 2000. Back in 1980 one Zimbabwe dollar was worth more than one U.S. dollar. Therefore a billionaire in Zimbabwe was also a billionaire in America. Today, almost everyone in Zimbabwe is a billionaire yet few of them can afford a pack of chewing gum. Do you think that anyone invested in the Zimbabwean stock market these past 30 years cares how many record highs that market has made? http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/schiff/2007/0427.html
The U.S. Constitution is no impediment to our form of government.--PJ O'Rourke
I really wonder why America is full of these types of people. I wouldn't say they are wrong, as this is far from a perfect world and major and minor catastrophes of all sorts have frequently occured throughout history.
How I wish I could go just ONE day in my life without having to see or hear the word HITLER.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Subtle persuasion to imprint it on the minds of the masses. Over and over and over every day every day.
Will counts for a lot, and the Iraqis have a very strong will to rid their country of invaders.
It drives me nuts, I'm so tired of it. At this point you'd think the only thing that happened during the 20th century was HITLER and his evil deeds. Yesterday someone here brought up Mussolini, I realized I knew almost nothing about him so I read about him. It made me realize even more how most of what I know of WWII is HITLER. Hitler is everywhere. There are many documentaries about him on the History Channel, or used to be when I still had a tv, in magazines there are always countless references to Hitler, there are nazi movies put out on a regular basis to further "remind" us, I'm just so tired of being beaten over the head with Hitler. We even have to pay for the construction in this country of holocaust museums, as if we are the guilty party, nevermind American soldiers lost their lives ridding Germany of Hitler. And nevermind all the millions upon millions who died around the globe during the 20th century as a result of various atrocities. Just yesterday when I read about Mussolini for instance I found out he invaded Ethiopia and had ordinary citizens there killed in an effort to control the place. SO much went on that we never hear about, because we are only suppose to care about what HITLER did.
Oh good grief not again.
Can we PLEASE move on??
The market is tanking again. Dow down 275 points. Just call me a doom and gloomer;^)
That was one hell of a campaign; the Italians bombed warriors with spears on horseback with both bombs and guns. The Italians wanted to expand their holdings (Somaliland) in the Horn of Africa. The Ethiopians being one of the oldest Christian churches didn't seem to affect Italians consciences. Just recently, however, the Italians returned a giant obelisk back to Ethiopia. But not to worry, those civilized Britishers, in a campaign supported by the Great Winston, dropped poison gas and mustard gas on both Arabs and Kurds in 1923. Where do you think Saddam got the idea from? Not to mention the gas? But, you have a mind where you are actually reading up about history. It's a shame but the American educational system thinks history is not essential, hence it's current incorporation into the hodgepodge referred to as social studies.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
But not to worry, those civilized Britishers, in a campaign supported by the Great Winston, dropped poison gas and mustard gas on both Arabs and Kurds in 1923. Where do you think Saddam got the idea from? Not to mention the gas? Last night I was thinking I'd like to find a few good history books, because there is so much that happened that I don't know about. For instance I had no idea about the Italian invasion of Ethiopia and the extent of the brutality of that operation where many men, women and children died horrific deaths.
Even before Bush we were bombarded with Hitler. What worries me is that too many people as a result will not know about the other many atrocities that occured, for instance the Soviet and Chinese slaughter of millions of their own people, and the many others we rarely hear about any longer. I'm sure in time the Hitler craze will pass, perhaps to be replaced by another. Maybe before it's all over with Bush will have taken his place, though at this point it's Arabs and others who are being slaughtered for the most part, not Americans, though that could change. I don't have much faith in human nature at all.
No, that's NOT "life", that's INFLATION, and when you have a monetary system based upon fiat currency, you are more or less sure to have said inflation. Before we allowed the "Federal Reserve" to take over our currency, we had a Constitutional system of currency based upon precious metals, and a dollar was defined as being a certain weight of silver. As a result, prices did NOT "always go up" for a period of over one hundred years. It wasn't until the US abandoned the Constitution and allowed the Fed to print money out of thin air that we embarked upon our current course of endless inflation. Keep in mind that a dollar today will purchase about as much as two cents would back in 1913. That's NOT "life". That's INFLATION. Caused by endless debasing of the currency. Currency debasement is a favorite pastime of governments, and it always ends with said currency eventually becoming worthless. Always has, and always will. You would do well to read up on Ludwig Von Mises and the views of the "Austrian school" of economics. Now, does this mean the entire economy will eventually shut down? No. As Ludwig Von Mises so brillantly stated, "Economics is human action". As long as people produce and create and exchange their products and labor there will be economics. Does this mean we are going to eventually see a period of wrenching readjustment as our current fiat currency system loses popular appeal and support, and some other form of currency eventually asserts itself as being a more desirable medium of exchange? I can, with certainty, say "yes". I cannot say WHEN it will happen, but I can say that it WILL happen.
How many would they have to kill before you considered it "fighting to conquer"?
#72. To: Mister Clean (#71)
The US fought to conquer Germany and Japan.
#73. To: Mister Clean (#46)
#74. To: Mister Clean (#71)
It's not about numbers, it's about goals and tactics.
#75. To: Axenolith, Jethro Tull (#32)
There's a lot of the rest of the planet where you and the other globalist ilk can play serf, you just leave the 48 contiguous, Hawaii, and Alaska to the messy freedom lovers and butt the hell out.
#76. To: SmokinOPs (#72)
Totally different ballgame when the people accept the surrender decision of the central government.
#77. To: ghostdogtxn (#73)
You need to seriously study why we are there and what we are fighting for. It has to do with oil, sure, but also monetary structures, Saddam's refusal to play ball with the World Bank types, and a lot of other very "new world order" things.
#78. To: Ringo Blankenship (#74)
You were talking about guns, not atomic bombs.
#79. To: Indrid Cold (#47)
#80. To: Mister Clean (#78)
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
#81. To: Axenolith (#8)
Actually, they're almost never wrong, they merely fall under the variations of the rule that states "The Market [read also System, or Society] can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent".
#82. To: Mister Clean (#77)
#83. To: DeaconBenjamin (#81)
#84. To: Mister Clean (#20)
#85. To: Axenolith, indrid cold (#56)
Come on Indrid, you know this:
by Peter Schiff
April 27, 2007
30% fewer euros than it did then back in 2000 when it was priced at approximately 11,500.
35% fewer gallons of milk,
40% fewer bushels of corn or wheat,
65% fewer ounces of silver,
70% fewer barrels of oil,
80% fewer pounds of copper, and
90% fewer pounds of uranium.
#86. To: Mister Clean (#0)
Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic.
#87. To: ghostdogtxn, robin, Mister Clean, christine (#6)
OTOH, the "brightsiders" of the world predicted a cakewalk in Iraq, an ever- expanding housing market, didn't reinforce the levies and thought we could get along with Hitler just fine.
#88. To: Diana (#87)
#89. To: Diana (#87)
How I wish I could go just ONE day in my life without having to see or hear the word HITLER.
#90. To: Mister Clean (#78)
The point is that the US is not "winning" in Iraq because the war is not being waged to conquer Iraq. The fact that insurgents have guns is not the reason there is no "victory" for the US.
#91. To: Cynicom (#89)
Over and over and over every day every day.
#92. To: ghostdogtxn, cynicom (#79)
I'm sure there were Germans, even German Jews, who in 1935 who thought the very notion of a program of extermination of the Jews was "ridiculous",
#93. To: ghostdogtxn (#79)
who in 1935
#94. To: Diana (#93)
#95. To: Diana (#91)
Mussolini for instance I found out he invaded Ethiopia
#96. To: Diana (#93)
#97. To: swarthyguy (#95)
Just recently, however, the Italians returned a giant obelisk back to Ethiopia.
#98. To: ghostdogtxn, swarthyguy (#96)
I don't think you are going to see any moving on so long as we've got a guy like Bush fantasizing about US hegemony over the world. It's just too familiar a refrain.
#99. To: Mister Clean (#29)
As far as prices go, well, they always go up. That's life.
 | Capitalism is NOT an economic system, it's a RELIGION for ASSHOLES! |
#100. To: Diana, Cynicom, Jethro Tull, christine, swarthyguy, aristeides, lodwick, robin (#98)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#101. To: Elliott Jackalope, Mister Clean (#99)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
#102. To: Fred Mertz (#94)
Dow Plunges 300 on Mortgage Concerns.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
#103. To: Elliott Jackalope (#99)
educative post (return to a sound money system and nearly all of our ills vanish)
#104. To: christine (#103)
Not to mention also the fact that the [un]sound money system is essentially why we ended up with Hitler, Stalin, etc...
"I might have to go do something less stressfull, like core pavement on a busy freeway, at night..."
#105. To: Elliott Jackalope (#99)
Just like those who say it's a matter of WHEN al-Qaeda gets nukes. I don't buy into such nonsense.
I cannot say WHEN it will happen, but I can say that it WILL happen.
#106. To: Diana (#90)
Whatever. I really don't care about the Iraq fiasco anymore.
Will counts for a lot, and the Iraqis have a very strong will to rid their country of invaders.
#107. To: Diana (#86)
Where is that economic collapse? Where are the UN troops patrolling our streets? Where is Y2K? Where are al-Qaeda's nukes? Where is the massive flooding of America from global warming? I could go on.
I wouldn't say they are wrong, as this is far from a perfect world and major and minor catastrophes of all sorts have frequently occured throughout history.
#108. To: Mister Clean (#106)
In that you do mirror the general zeitgeist around the country, to simply be done with that whole mess, wash our hands of the whole thing and pretend things will ever go back to what they were before the Invasion and Occupation.
I really don't care about the Iraq fiasco anymore
#109. To: ghostdogtxn (#82)
Got names?
The guys who want to keep the US dollar as the world's reserve currency whose power Saddam threatened when he began selling oil in Euros.
#110. To: swarthyguy (#108)
I don't know about the rest of the country but I've concluded it is a waste of my precious time to care about the Iraq fiasco since there is nothing I can do about it. Perhaps if the day comes where I am directly affected, I'll care again.
In that you do mirror the general zeitgeist around the country, to simply be done with that whole mess, wash our hands of the whole thing and pretend things will ever go back to what they were before the Invasion and Occupation.
#111. To: Mister Clean (#109)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
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