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Title: Are doom & gloomers ever right?
Source: Mister Clean
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Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: Mister Clean
Post Date: 2007-08-09 10:09:25 by Mister Clean
Keywords: economic collapse, terrorism, global warming
Views: 1955
Comments: 213

Are doom & gloomers ever right in their numerous and freqent predictions of disaster?

I'm not simply talking about the garden variety doom & gloomers who are constantly predicting a massive economic collapse or continually warning about the evil plans of the New World Order. I also include the al-Qaeda fearmongers who are constantly predicting nuclear Jihad in America. I'm also talking about the global warming alarmists who predict that the east coast of the US will eventually be submerged in a major flood.

These groups of doom & gloomers have different agendas for sure but they're basically the same in their fearmongering and pessimissm. It's as if they want a disaster to happen so they can screech "I told you so!"

Fortunately, these prophets of disaster are as wrong in their predictions as they are negative and pessimistic.

I really wonder why America is full of these types of people.

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One day you may accept the fact that America is all about money. Always has been, always will be. You can dig up all kinds of quotes from the founders but it doesn't change reality.

America wraps itself up in all kinds of grand illusions that sound so nice, illusions about freedom, democracy and the ability of the individual to change history with their vote. It's a lot of crap.

Sadly you're probably right about that.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:36:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

So, because Stauffenberg's plot failed, he shouldn't have lifted a finger. At least according to you.

I'm not the least bit interested in discussing the Nazi era.

You really should just face present day reality and accept the fact that caring about the Iraq fiasco is a waste of time.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   17:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's about time to quit demonizing the German people, those Germans of 50+ years ago are no more guilty of the war crimes of their government than we are of ours.

I come close to agreeing with your statement. I would just say Americans today are more guilty, because we know more, and are in considerably less danger if we speak out.

I certainly don't intend to demonize all Germans, nor do I think that is a reasonable interpretation of my postings in this thread. You may have noticed that I mentioned Stauffenberg more than once.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-09   17:36:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm not the least bit interested in discussing the Nazi era.

Understandable, because it disproves your whole case.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-09   17:37:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I want to know what all of your caring has accomplished, particularly as far as Iraq goes.

It's a moral issue of not wanting evil things to be done in your name.

Also some people are truly bothered when suffering is being inflicted on people.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:40:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

By the way, what, may I ask, has all YOUR posting here accomplished?

Entertainment.

I take that as a confession that your posts are not serious.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-09   17:42:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also some people are truly bothered when suffering is being inflicted on people.

And some people are incapable of understanding that.

We call them psychopaths.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2007-08-09   17:43:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

By the way, what, may I ask, has all YOUR posting here accomplished?

Dow down 400 points today. Carry on, everyone.

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who knows what evil  posted on  2007-08-09   17:44:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Where is the massive flooding of America from global warming?

Texas. Not that I mind at all. We had been in a record-breaking drought until this year.

Amen bump to that.

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Lod  posted on  2007-08-09   17:45:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

If you don't see the parallels between Hitler's government and the current government here, maybe you would be better off turning off your computer.

Frankly I see more parallels with this government and the Soviet Union as far as social policies go, but as I pointed out Hitler was not the only dictator who murdered millions and conquered other nations slaughtering innocents. I'm just tired of Hitler always being brought up, it's part of the dumbing down of this country especially as far as history goes.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:45:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

bring it back. we're back to being too hot and dry..and i love rain.

Indeed - sprinkler guy is coming over Saturday to replace our pos irrigation timer.

We were enjoying those $13/month water bills, while it lasted.

Back to shake and bake.

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Lod  posted on  2007-08-09   17:48:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Someone picked a bad day to quit smoking...

http://www.boston.com/business/markets/articles/2007/08/09/wall_street_rises_on_tech_strength/

The Federal Reserve added a larger-than-normal $24 billion in temporary reserves to the U.S. banking system.

The concerns that arose in Europe and spilled onto Wall Street underscored the potential worldwide ramifications of an implosion of some subprime loans and perhaps also weakened arguments that strength in the global economy could help keep profit growth going in the U.S. among large companies that do business overseas.

The ECB's injection of money into the system is an unprecedented move, said Joseph V. Battipaglia, chief investment officer at Ryan Beck & Co., adding that it shows that problems in subprime lending are, in fact, spilling into the general economy.

"This is a mini-panic," he said. "All the things that had been denied up until this point are unraveling. On top of this, retail sales were mediocre, which shows that indeed, the housing collapse is affecting the consumer."

Retailers released July sales figures Thursday that were overall disappointing.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-09   17:49:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:54:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's a moral issue of not wanting evil things to be done in your name.

That doesn't change my point that all the caring in the world about the Iraq fiasco has led to nothing.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   17:56:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   17:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Understandable, because it disproves your whole case.

No, because it's your feeble attempt to avoid admitting that caring about Iraq has accomplished nothing.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   17:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I hope the future records that there were more opinions on this than that of the Mr. Cleans of the world.

I'm not too hopeful as people tend to generalize.

Already people around the world hate Americans, they have a stereotype for Americans and of course it's much easier for them to lump us all together as being for the war in Iraq and all fundie Christians who love Bush.

If we could go back in time to 1938 Germany I bet we would learn a lot, that it was a much more complicated situation than what is now presented to us as history has made the nazi regime into such a black and white issue. For instance there was Daniel Goldhagen's bestseller about how all of the Germans were guilty and adored Hitler when nothing could be further from the truth. It was a brutal dictatorship and most people lived in fear as people do in any dictatorship.

I'm sure the future holds the similar fate for Americans, there will be books written about how all Americans wanted all of the Arabs dead and practically worshipped Bush.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   17:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:00:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We've killed at least half a million people

We?

Uh, no. I had no role in killing anyone.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:00:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:01:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Horseshit. It helped to change the electoral composition of the congress and will probably have a huge impact on the 2008 presidential election.

Again, what has that accomplished?

The Democrats give Bush everything he demands! Haha!

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We've killed at least half a million people

Group's Estimate of Iraqi Deaths to Cross One Million

Zipporah  posted on  2007-08-09   18:04:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Uh, no. I had no role in killing anyone.

Ah, what Tribal Innocence....Yes, but what genius to start this thread today...quite the savvy investor. Any predictions for Friday?

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-09   18:05:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:06:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

On LP, aristeides was so effective at raising the level of awareness about the Bush regime and its agenda, that Goldi finally banned him and never gave a reason.

Anyone with any moral sense is outraged over the destruction and genocide in Iraq and the incredible amount of human suffering.

As aristeides pointed out, there is a label for a person who does not care about human suffering: psychopath.

from wiki:

Psychopathy is currently defined in psychiatry and clinical psychology as a condition characterized by lack of empathy [1] [2] or conscience, and poor impulse control [3] [4] or manipulative behaviors.[5] It is a term derived from the Greek psyche (soul, breath hence mind) and pathos (to suffer), and was once used to denote any form of mental illness, often being confused with psychosis.

The Bush regime is loaded with psychopaths.

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robin  posted on  2007-08-09   18:06:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Ah, what Tribal Innocence....Yes, but what genius to start this thread today...quite the savvy investor. Any predictions for Friday?

Tribal innocence? I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

As far as the market goes I'd say expect further volitility. If you're a short term trader, stock up on the antacids and asprin.

If you're a doom & gloomer, get your hopes up yet again for the big crash that will not come!

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:07:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

WE did this crime.

Speak for yourself.

The way my tax dollars are spent is completely out of my control.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:10:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

We call them psychopaths.

Erm, not to quibble, but I think sociopaths is what we call them.

Same thing, psychopaths was the term used for ages but recently they started calling them sociopaths. It's really like a blind spot, they simply are unable to care about others, but I know you guys know that, it's just something I think about at times.

And of course there is no cure as you can't make a non-functioning area of someone's brain work when for all practical purposes it's dead, there is no activity where there should be.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   18:11:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-09   18:11:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone with any moral sense is outraged over the destruction and genocide in Iraq and the incredible amount of human suffering.

Yes it's horrible and I can't imagine the suffering going on.

But I'm not going to waste my time thinking about it, reading news articles about it or watching TV news reports about it because I have no influence over the policy.

You see, the idea that your opinion really matters to policy makers is one of America's great illusions. You can be as concerned or as outraged as you want, they don't care and they're not listening to you.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:13:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That doesn't change my point that all the caring in the world about the Iraq fiasco has led to nothing.

Well then you have to chalk it up to this being an imperfect world, and we are all flawed.

Also it's possible that the Iraqi situation could be even worse at this point if not for the helpful actions of certain people, though that's something we'll never know.

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   18:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wow. Deliberate ignorance coupled with monumental apathy and complete irresponsibility.

It's called facing reality.

"We the people" used to really mean we the people.

Now it's propaganda designed to make people think they have a role in the decisions made by the politicians in Washington.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:16:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They Thought They Were Free, The Germans 193_ to 1945 by Milton Mayer is a great resource.

That title alone hits too close to home...

Diana  posted on  2007-08-09   18:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clean's the kind of guy who used to be a staunch supporter of the Iraq War. He believed the WMD line and that Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Then, when things started going sour, he fell off the bandwagon and now acts cool by pretending "not to care."

Ringo Blankenship  posted on  2007-08-09   18:18:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Also it's possible that the Iraqi situation could be even worse at this point if not for the helpful actions of certain people, though that's something we'll never know.

Two great books to read about Iraq are "Imperial Life in the Emerald City" and "Fiasco."

All along the way there were smart people who knew when bad decisions were being made. They were ignored. These smart people had great ideas. They were ignored.

Every possible mistake that could have been made was made. This is one case where stupidity, incompetence and worse have won.

If the smart people inside the system couldn't do anything, there's nothing that I, being completely outside the system, can do and that's why I don't care about it anymore.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Clean's the kind of guy who used to be a staunch supporter of the Iraq War.

I was not a "staunch" supporter but I was hopeful things would work out.

Mister Clean  posted on  2007-08-09   18:25:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was not a "staunch" supporter but I was hopeful things would work out.

Were too.

Cynicom  posted on  2007-08-09   18:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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