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Title: SHEEHAN ANNOUNCES HOUSE CANDIDACY
Source: MY WAY NEWS.COM
URL Source: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070809/D8QTPAVO1.html
Published: Aug 9, 2007
Author: SUDHIN THANAWALA
Post Date: 2007-08-10 11:09:53 by rowdee
Keywords: SHEEHAN, PELOSI, HOUSE SEAT
Views: 462
Comments: 29

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - A tearful Cindy Sheehan cited her son, killed in Iraq, as her inspiration as she announced her candidacy Thursday for the U.S. House against Rep. Nancy Pelosi.

Sheehan last month said she intended to run against Pelosi, the House speaker, if the San Francisco congresswoman didn't move to impeach President Bush by July 23.

Sheehan said Thursday that Pelosi had "protected the status quo" of the corporate elite and had lost touch with people in her district, most of whom, she asserted, want American troops out of Iraq.

Nadeam Elshami, a spokesman for Pelosi, would not comment on Sheehan's candidacy but said the speaker has always opposed the war in Iraq and has focused on bringing troops home "safely and soon."

After her 24-year-old son, Casey, was killed in Iraq in 2004, Sheehan gained international attention by setting up camp outside the president's Texas ranch and demanding to meet with him.

On Thursday, Sheehan said her son inspired her to run against Pelosi, who has represented San Francisco in Congress since 1987.

"The country is ripe for a change," said Sheehan, who spoke at a podium with her son's photograph attached to it. "It's going to start right here and right now."

Sheehan said she would run as an independent on a platform of universal health care, making college affordable and improving ethics in the legislative and executive branches. She did not offer specifics.

The money being spent on the Iraq war should be used to help the country's shrinking middle class, she said.

Sheehan said she had no funds for a campaign but planned to immediately start raising money. She said she wouldn't accept money from corporations.

Daniel Ellsberg, the former high-level Pentagon analyst who in 1969 leaked the Pentagon Papers to Congress and the media and a Sheehan supporter, said Sheehan has a difficult task.

"At the moment, facing a well-funded, powerful incumbent without party support, the odds against Cindy appear insuperable," said Ellsberg, who was arrested twice with other protesters outside Bush's Texas ranch.

"But we plan to change that."

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No one should write her off. Recall several years back, Linda Smith, in Washington State, went to DC even though she was a 'write in' candidate--the gopers were not supporting her.

The gopers didn't want an individualistic type person in the halls of congresscowards because they couldn't control her. That is why they would not support her bid for the Senate against Patti Murray, of all people!

I daresay the dems aren't any different.

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#1. To: rowdee (#0)

Git along home, Cindy, Cindy.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-08-10   11:18:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: rowdee (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-10   11:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Dempsy, rowdee, (#1)

I am a lifelong Republican who will work for Sheehan time permiting. She has no appeal to me except that she is for impeachment and is really opposed to the war. Pelosi fears impeachment because the trail of 9-11 leads directly to Israel. Pelosi is a hardcore Zionist. The 8th district is only an hours drive north of me.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-08-10   12:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse (#3)

I am a lifelong Republican who will work for Sheehan time permiting.

That's nice. She is a time sponge like Ron Paul and should keep activists like yourself occupied while we elect a real candidate.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-08-10   12:25:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Dempsy (#4)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-10   12:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)

It isn't Chavez, a Sheehan compadre.

Dempsy  posted on  2007-08-10   12:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Dempsy (#4)

Is this what you mean by a real candidate? A person like Pelosi or Bush, Reid or Cheney, Clinton or Zakheim who will allow the Bilderberg-AIPAC set to steal 4 billion dollars a week from unaudited federal spending. I personally would prefer someone who will allow us to audit the books.

http://www.solari.c om/learn/articles_missingmoney.htm

Trillions of dollars are missing from the US government. What's going on? Where is the money? How could this happen? Where are the checks and balances? How much more has gone missing? What would happen if a corporation failed to pass an audit like this? Or a taxpayer? Who is responsible for this? Would your banks continue to handle your bank account if you behaved like this? Would your investors continue to buy your securities if you behaved like this? Learn more in the articles below.

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Road to Ruin by Eric Sprott, Sprott Asset Management Regarding the $11 Trillion Deficit in the US Government in FY 2004 January 2005

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Estimate $3.3 Trillion Missing From U.S. Treasury by Buddy Grizzard An excellent overview integrating coverage by key investigative journalists August 2002

Where is the Collateral? and So, Where is the Collateral? A two-part series by Chris Sanders of Sanders Research Associates in London These articles connect the dots between the missing money, the Where is the Money? litigation, questionable HUD deals, and the impact on the investment community October 2003 and July 2004

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The Myth of the Rule of Law Sanders Research Associates November 2001

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Senate Government Affairs Thompson Report -- Government at the Brink, Vol. 1 -- Government at the Brink, Vol. 2

House Appropriations Senate Appropriations Congressional Audit, Evaluation and Investigation: General Accountability Office (GAO)

Where is the Money? Litigation Ervin & Associates and the US Government shut down Hamilton Securities after it developed software for citizens to learn about HUD spending by place, seized the software, bankrupted the company, and never produced any evidence of wrongdoing ... see http://www.dunwalke.com/gideon/

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2. AMS Federal Lawsuit Adds to AMS Woes Company Also Faces Trouble in Ohio, Vermont Washington Technology July 2001

A Taxing Dilemma by John Berlau Insight Magazine April 2001

IRS Boss Snagged a Clinton Waiver by John Berlau Insight Magazine May 2001

News Alert: Eizenstat Explains Why He Gave Waiver to IRS Commissioner by John Berlau Insight Magazine May 2001

How Can Rossotti Reform the IRS? Insight Magazine May 2001

News Alert: Grassley Questions Rossotti's Ties to AMS by John Berlau Insight Magazine May 2001

Rossotti Hires Raise Red Flags Insight Magazine September 20001

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CSC DynCorp & the Economics of Lawlessness Scoop Media April 2003

4. Harvard The Harvard Datadump -- An Update

5. Enron The Real Deal about Enron -- An Interview with Catherine Austin Fitts by Daniel Armstrong Scoop Media February 2003

6. The Carlyle Group Carlyle's Way -- Making a mint inside "the iron triangle" of defense, government and industry by Dan Briody Red Herring January 8, 2002

Iraq Audit Can't Find Billions Boston Globe, October 2004

US Probes $100 Million Missing in Iraq MSNBC, May 2005

So, Mr. Bremer, Where Did All the Money Go? The Guardian, July 2005

Billions Wasted in Iraq CBS News, February 2006

Iraq's Missing Billions (video) Journeyman Pictures, March 2006

Halliburton Watch: US Mismanaged $8.8 Billion in Iraqi Funds, August 2004

CPA IG Finds Halliburton Mismanaged Government Property in Iraq Committee on Government Reform: Minority Office, July 2004

Iraq Revenue Watch: Reports & Briefings Open Society Institute, December 2004

The Not So Strange Case of Phillip Merrill Joe Quinn, Signs of the Times, June 2006

Balancing Our Bank Book: The Missing $9 Billion and More (Windows Media Audio; PDF Transcript ) Rep. Cynthia McKinney, June 2006

Gold Anti-Trust Action (GATA) http://www.gata.org

LeMetropole Cafe http://www.lemetropolecafe.com

All That Glitters Is Not Gold by Kelly O'Meara, March 2002

Is a Silver Scandal on the Horizon? by Kelly O'Meara, March 2004

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-08-10   12:49:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Horse (#7)

Excellent laundry-list of gov corruption - thanks.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution

Lod  posted on  2007-08-10   12:54:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Dempsy (#4)

Or by real candidate do you mean a Zionist like those on the Warren Commission and the 9-11 Commission?

http://www.americanfree press.net/html/vanunu.html

VANUNU SPEAKS

Israeli Nuclear Whistleblower Risks Jail to Talk Exclusively to AFP

By Christopher Bollyn

Mordechai Vanunu, Israel’s most famous dissident free after 18 years in prison, is ready to defy the severe restrictions imposed upon him by the Israeli military and tell the western media everything he knows about the Middle East’s largest secret arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. However, because the hidden stockpiles belong to Israel, no American news outlet is interested in discussing this, except American Free Press.

“I have sacrificed my freedom and risked my life in order to expose the danger of nuclear weapons, which threaten this whole region,” Vanunu said in an exclusive interview with American Free Press on July 28.

Vanunu spent 18 years in an Israeli prison—11 and a half of them in solitary confinement—for providing evidence of Israel’s nuclear arsenal to a British newspaper in 1986. “I acted on behalf of all citizens and all of humanity,” said Vanunu.

In October 1986, Vanunu, a nuclear technician who had worked at the Dimona Nuclear Power Plant in the Negev Desert for 10 years, traveled to London and gave photographic evidence to The Sunday Times that Israel was secretly developing nuclear weapons. Two months earlier he had converted to Christianity while traveling in Australia.

After having learned about the secret production of plutonium for nuclear weapons at Dimona, in 1985 Vanunu believed it was his responsibility to inform the citizens of the world that an arsenal of nuclear weapons was being created in Israel.

Vanunu provided evidence and described how Israel had built an arsenal of over 200 nuclear bombs and neutron bombs. Before The Times’s story was even published, however, Vanunu had been lured to Rome and kidnapped by Israeli secret service agents. A secret trial followed, and Vanunu was locked in a tiny, windowless cell for more than a decade.

When Vanunu was released from an Israeli prison on April 21, the Israeli military authorities imposed severe restrictions on his freedom. He is banned from leaving the country, confined to an assigned residence and denied the right to be in contact with journalists or foreigners.

The human rights organization Amnesty International (AI) protested the restrictions imposed on Vanunu saying on April 19: “Vanunu must not be subject to arbitrary restrictions and violations of his fundamental rights on the basis of pretexts or suspicions about what he may do in the future.”

The restrictions on Vanunu’s movement, speech and association violate the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, which Israel has ratified and is obliged to uphold, according to AI.

While Israeli officials contend the restrictions are to prevent Vanunu from divulging information about Israel’s nuclear arsenal, AI sees it differently:

“Israel’s determination to curtail Vanunu’s freedom and contact with the outside world seem to be intended to prevent him from revealing details of his abduction by Israeli secret service agents 18 years ago in Rome in what was clearly an unlawful act,” AI said.

According to Jonathan Cook of The Guardian in Britain, Vanunu’s brother, Meir, who lives with him at St. George’s, says there is another motive for the restrictions and confinement of Israel’s most famous dissident: Vanunu’s release brings attention to Israel’s nuclear arsenal at precisely the moment when the justification for attacking Saddam Hussein’s Iraq—his possession of weapons of mass destruction—is shown to have been hollow.

“If Vanunu were free to talk, he might remind the world that the greatest threat to Middle East peace comes not from Baghdad but from Tel Aviv,” Cook wrote. “That is a message neither America nor Britain wants to hear right now.”

The same controlled U.S. media networks that sent embedded reporters into combat in Iraq and published false reports about that nation’s alleged weapons of mass destruction, are seemingly afraid to go to St. George’s Cathedral in East Jerusalem and interview Vanunu, Israel’s most famous dissident and peace activist, for fear of crossing a line drawn by the Israeli military.

American Free Press, however, and the London-based Arabic language newspaper Al Hayat have interviewed Vanunu recently from St. George’s, where he has sought asylum in the Anglican church compound a short distance from the U.S. Consulate in East Jerusalem.

BEHIND THE JFK ASSASSINATION

Comments made by Vanunu during an interview with Al Hayat’s weekly magazine Al Wassat, published on July 25, made headlines around the world but were completely ignored in the United States, where they could have caused immense political damage to Israel. As The Jerusalem Post’s article headline read, “Vanunu: Israel behind JFK assassination.”

Russia’s Pravda article of July 27 began: “Israel may be implicated in the biggest crime of the past century, which took place in Dallas in 1963.”

Iran’s Tehran Times, writing from Jerusalem, said: “In a startling accusation, nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu has alleged that Jerusalem was behind the assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy, who was exerting pressure on the then Israeli head of state to shed light on the Dimona nuclear plant.”

Similar articles appeared in newspapers around the world, but in the United States this explosive news was only reported by wire services and in Jewish newspapers.

Vanunu’s comments that there are “near-certain indications” that Israel was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy support the thesis of Michael Collins Piper, presented in his book Final Judgment, that Israeli agents played a key role in the murder.

AFP asked Vanunu to explain his comments about Israeli involvement in the murder of President Kennedy.

“My view is that Kennedy was assassinated because of his strong opposition to [Israeli prime minister] Ben Gurion,” Vanunu said.

At the time, Ben Gurion was working to create a nuclear arsenal for Israel.

The group that was involved with Ben Gurion in developing and protecting Israel’s nuclear arsenal “was behind the assassination of Kennedy,” Vanunu said.

As Piper documents in Final Judgment, Kennedy’s resistance to Israel becoming a nuclear-armed state led to increasing hostility between the two leaders until Ben Gurion resigned in June 1963. Kennedy had realized that the Israelis were producing illegal nuclear weapons from the nuclear reactor given to Israel in 1959 under the “Atoms for Peace” program.

In the Al Wassat interview, Vanunu said: “Israel possesses between 100 and 200 nuclear weapons, including a neutron bomb and hydrogen bombs, which are tenfold in their effect. If an atomic bomb can kill 100,000 people then the hydrogen bomb can kill a million.

“We do not know which irresponsible Israeli prime minister will take office and decide to use nuclear weapons in the struggle against neighboring Arab countries,” The Jerusalem Post reported Vanunu having said. “What has already been exposed about the weapons Israel is holding [is that they] can destroy the region and kill millions.”

A ‘SECOND CHERNOBYL’

Vanunu also warned of the environmental dangers of nuclear leaks at Israel’s antiquated nuclear facility at Dimona. An earthquake or nuclear accident at Dimona could result in the “leaking of nuclear radiation, threatening millions of people in neighboring countries,” Vanunu said.

Jordan, in particular, was mentioned as being in danger of nuclear contamination. “Dimona’s chimneys do not operate unless the winds blow in the direction of Jordan,” Vanunu said.

A Jordanian government spokesman, Asma Khader, responded promptly to Vanunu’s claim, saying, “The kingdom is free of radiation.”

Vanunu also criticized the recent visit to Israel of Mohamed El Baradei, head of the UN’s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).

“I am very disappointed by Mr. El Baradei because I expected him to go and inspect the Dimona reactor,” Vanunu said. “The job of Mr. Baradei is to go and see if what I said . . . if it’s true.”

Vanunu stressed to AFP his strong desire to speak with the media despite the restrictions, and provide them with information and his views on the need for peace—and a nuclear-free Middle East.

Asked if the U.S. media was interested in meeting him, Vanunu said “not one” American or British newspaper or television network had visited him at St. George’s since his release from prison.

“Why are they in silence?” Vanunu asked AFP about the U.S. media. “Why is the press not coming to see me? The media should bring my case to the people and the politicians. This case must be heard.”

Linda Rothstein, editor of the Chicago-based Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, however, showed little interest in Vanunu’s story, saying that Vanunu has his supporters and that the Bulletin is not an advocacy group.

Likewise, Kay Seok of Human Rights Watch said that there was nothing they could do. “Nobody at HRW is working on Israel right now,” she said.

WANTS OUT OF ISRAEL

Vanunu desperately wants to leave Israel, where he is viewed as a traitor, and seek political asylum in the United States. Nick and Mary Eoloff of St. Paul, Minnesota, have formally adopted Vanunu and are ready to provide him sanctuary.

Mrs. Eoloff told AFP that Vanunu’s life is in danger in Israel.

“I want to go abroad and start my life as a free man,” Vanunu said after Israel’s high court upheld the military’s restrictions on his movement and freedom. “If Israel is a democracy, it should allow me to do it.”

Asked if he had been tortured during his 18 years in prison, Vanunu said, “Of course.”

He said he had been subjected to “mental and psychological torture” that was “cruel and barbaric.”

Because he had converted to Christianity he had received worse treatment than Jewish prisoners, he said. Vanunu said he had been treated like a Palestinian and that his captors had tried to “destroy” him.

“I am a symbol of the will of freedom,” he said. “You cannot break the human spirit.”

Asked about his supporters in the United States, Vanunu said: “I need their support to get me out. Americans should raise their voices with their congressmen and ask them in a loud voice to visit me and bring attention to my case.

“My country is not Israel,” Vanunu said. “I want to be free and to leave Israel.”

“Israel does not respect my basic human rights,” Vanunu said. “I am denied the freedom of movement and freedom of speech—like all Palestinians. I want peace and freedom from all nuclear weapons in the Middle East.”

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-08-10   12:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Horse (#7)

I’m undecided at the moment, but whoever it is he will be electable. Are all your posts so lengthy and absurd?

Dempsy  posted on  2007-08-10   12:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Dempsy (#1)

Oh puleeze..........at least she has the balls, which you and your ilk, seem to be lacking, to try to do something for this nation.

Or am I reading you incorrectly with your 'get along' comment?

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-10   12:55:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Dempsy (#4)

Apparently, I didn't read you wrong.

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-10   12:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: lodwick (#8)

Excellent laundry-list of gov corruption - thanks.

Click on the URL to go to the original post and so you can go to the individual articles.

http://www.solari.c om/learn/articles_missingmoney.htm

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-08-10   12:57:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dempsy (#4)

A real candidate? Please, oh please, tell the world who you think is a 'real' candidate.....

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-10   12:57:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Dempsy (#10)

Are all your posts so lengthy and absurd?

Apparently only to those who don't have the courage to face the truth and find comfort in voting for the lesser, AND YET STILL EVIL, of two evils. Can't bother your brain with facts and details....would overwhelm you, apparently.

But take comfort, you are not alone; although the DON'T TELL ME THE TRUTH pool of non-geniuses is starting to diminish. And please note I am not saying that any of us here are genius--but we are willing to listen to the facts to determine truth. We don't squeeze our eyes closed and plug our ears and scream "la la la la la la la la la".

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-10   13:01:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rowdee (#15)

Didn't Sheehan charge that neo-cons sent her son to die for Israel?

Dempsy  posted on  2007-08-10   13:21:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: ghostdogtxn (#5) (Edited)

I'd wager that Dempsy's idea of "real candidates" in Presidential elections are people like George W. Bush, and I doubt that his ideas for Congressional candidates are any better. The whole problem with this country is that people only vote for "real" (i.e. mass media approved and marketed) candidates.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2007-08-10   13:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Dempsy, rowdee, Jethro Tull, christine (#16)

Didn't Sheehan charge that neo-cons sent her son to die for Israel?

AH HAH!

I knew it I knew it I knew it I knew it I knew it I knew it.......

HOUNDDAWG can safely dismiss you now....

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-10   14:00:09 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)

Two other DC anti-Shemie big wigs...Gen. Zinni: We're going for Israel, and now Rep. Steny Hoyer: We're staying for Israel.

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2007-08-10   14:07:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Dempsy (#16)

And if she did what bearing does that have on her running for office? At least she is off her ass and trying to do something.

What an interesting question......are you really concerned about the neo cons? The liar in chief and his admin? Or Israel? OR is it because you have a stealth candidate like Freddy the Lobbyist or Obama perhaps?

Maybe it is even wackier....like 'real candidate' + neocon + Israel = your choice to continue the killing fields?

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-10   14:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18)

ROTFLMAOATPIMP!

rowdee  posted on  2007-08-10   14:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: HOUNDDAWG (#18) (Edited)

Thank you. ;)

Violence solves everything.
The uncertainty of the outcome is what frightens people.

Esso  posted on  2007-08-10   14:33:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Eoghan, rowdee (#19)

"The Lobby" has created an atmosphere of fear and intimidation that forbids us to openly discuss our immoral, murderous middle east policies.

Frankly, I resent the Hell out of some arrogant individual suggesting that Cindy Sheehan hasn't paid a high enough price and still isn't entitled to freely express her views.

This asshole knows very well that the whole world is whispering behind their hands about Israel's undue influence on America's policy makers, and he has now demonstrated that keeping Americans afraid is more important (to him) than we the people regaining the fundamental right to discuss the prime taboo in America today.

That makes him my enemy and I won't mince words with the traitorous son of a bitch.

The day that these assholes set up a recruiting center in a synagogue and try to shame American Jews into fighting and dying (yeah, good luck with that) is the day I'll tolerate their perpetual shrieks of simulated outrage.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-10   14:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Esso (#22)

lol!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-10   14:42:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Dempsy (#6)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-10   17:54:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#17)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2007-08-10   17:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Dempsy (#10)

When people refuse to think about the fundamental issues, such as, the governing party thinks it has the right to steal 4 billion dollars a week from from unaudited contracts and the absolute right to cancel elections by assassinating the President I usually try to overwhelm them with information so they can see the light if they are but willing to read.

How about going to http://www.WTC7.net and looking at videos of WTC Tower 7 collapsing on 9-11-2001? Each video only takes a few seconds to watch as Tower 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds. WTC 7 did not collapse as a result of fire as you can see from the videos. Nor was it struck by a plane. It was taken down by a controlled demolition. If you want to be ruled by men and women who are actively covering up treason and murder, then you are beyond help. The politicians you are voting for do not care that the governing party murderd JFK and killed 3,000 Americans on 9-11-2001. They are like you. They just want what they can get from the government.

This should end this thread.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2007-08-10   18:59:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Horse, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull, rowdee, robin, Neil McIver (#27) (Edited)

When people refuse to think about the fundamental issues....

....I usually try to overwhelm them with information so they can see the light if they are but willing to read.

My friend, you need never apologize for offering a plethora of valuable info.

The shills aren't going to read it or ever abandon their missions, and the info is read and appreciated by honest folks who thirst for knowledge (as Aristotle said) and who will use that knowledge to arm against the MSM mind control methods. And those same folks can plainly see that the shill has no answers other than a deliberate attempt to ricochet the topic away from his embarrassment.

It's always a mistake to let on that a shill has made you even the slightest bit defensive, especially since truthful information irritates them because they have no defense to it!

Trust me on this one. Unless chris or Zipdoodle or another responsible party for this site asks that you limit your posts then you should consider this criticism from an anonymous system pimp a compliment.

It is the debate equivalent of responding to a pointed question with criticism of your necktie.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-11   12:58:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: All, lodwick (#28)

reinforcement request from a trusted friend who always tells it like it bee.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2007-08-11   13:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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